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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    There's a regional and a local aspect to this. The internet makes the US (and other countries as well, I'm sure) seem like homogeneous little package of citizens and cops.. But in reality, it is a very large place and it is extremely diverse in every way.

    In the US, metro areas and their bedroom communities tend to be very economically stratified, even though they are close in proximity. They are very gentrified in this way. In some cases EXTREMELY so.

    The poor areas are dynamos, spinning off crime and violence.. And they really should be policed tightly and aggressively so disadvantaged people there can remain safe. But they aren't. In application, they are extremely permissive and crime flourishes. In contrast, the economic power of the gentrified areas pays for far better services, safety and quality of life, generally. The crime in these areas is extremely low and they ARE policed aggressively to ensure this remains so.

    These wealthy areas tend to be progressive politically, and they take the attitude that everything is right here and their street must remain safe at all costs. Their school. Their this and their that.. It would be fair to call this their vision of the "American Dream" and it is the privilege they're paying for (literally) with their taxes. But similar police tactics in the poor areas are seen as oppressive and even racist, depending. High crime, limited opportunity and low quality of life in the poor areas are the result of these policies.

    Then.. You toss a cop into the middle of this and it is extremely difficult for them.

    On the one hand, someone loitering about a gated community can expect a police interaction. On the other extreme, that same cop may encounter an armed 13YO gang member strolling around on the other side of town because that is common. They are often attacked. When they arrest someone dangerous, they may be freed without bail. When such a person is adjudicated, they are often released with a relatively light jail sentence, if they are sentenced at all. The implication is that poor people just do a lot of crime and punishing them is unfair. And it is fine if they do crime as long as it remains on their (disadvantaged) side of town.

    This contrast obviously makes it very difficult for police officers.

    In more rural and less gentrified areas, there is a lot more homogeneity in policing and everyone is held to to a much more similar standard and the standards for criminal conduct are much lower. The police are polite, but serious criminal conduct is punished severely and juries won't protect you for bad behavior. They will generally support the police in their interactions with criminals. The result is a much more harsh system of justice and policing that doesn't have to be harsh as often, because everyone is aware of the concrete limits on behavior and their support from the surrounding community.
    This is why the Junk Pile rocks, Politicians need to recognise, not ignore this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoghead View Post
    This is why the Junk Pile rocks, Politicians need to recognise, not ignore this.
    I emphatically agree with that sentiment.

    Sadly.. Over on our side of the pond.. We tend to get our heads up our asses and let politicians get away with terrible results because they sell us the desired intent and the (ostensibly) noble aspirations of their policies.

    And lofty goals are fabulous, but too often the practical reality on the ground is ignored and that reality is the part we all have to live.

    Results do matter. We need to get back to that and stop listening to what these motherfuckers say and watching what they do.. And what their policies do.

    Good examples of failed policies from the left and from the right would be education and public safety in blue urban areas, and the foreign policy and adventurism of the Bush Era Neocons. (I think you could add the trade and immigration policy of both parties to that list. At least till Trump found his way into the White House.)

    Both parties claim the highest goals and aspirations. Both claim absolute moral superiority.. And both returned a shit result in these areas and continue to do so.

    Americans should demand better, and probably would if they ever thought about it for a minute.
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    Empathy had set in, but I think things are changing or the razor wire around the Capitol building is just for show. Pretty crazy that it has come to that, it speaks volumes

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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    I emphatically agree with that sentiment.

    Sadly.. Over on our side of the pond.. We tend to get our heads up our asses and let politicians get away with terrible results because they sell us the desired intent and the (ostensibly) noble aspirations of their policies.

    And lofty goals are fabulous, but too often the practical reality on the ground is ignored and that reality is the part we all have to live.

    Results do matter. We need to get back to that and stop listening to what these motherfuckers say and watching what they do.. And what their policies do.

    Good examples of failed policies from the left and from the right would be education and public safety in blue urban areas, and the foreign policy and adventurism of the Bush Era Neocons. (I think you could add the trade and immigration policy of both parties to that list. At least till Trump found his way into the White House.)

    Both parties claim the highest goals and aspirations. Both claim absolute moral superiority.. And both returned a shit result in these areas and continue to do so.

    Americans should demand better, and probably would if they ever thought about it for a minute.
    They say in Italy nothing weighs as little as a promise...In the UK we are 'led' by a leader who wishes to evoke Churchillian greatness, but has little to offer except an inflated ego. Bereft of ideas , he employs dubious advisors, who aren't representative of what people voted for. A recent programme streamed by thousands exposed his many lies, but won't air on mainstream T.V. Media distracts the masses with spurious news of little consequence. Botched Covid policies cost thousands their lives, but have been forgotton now the vaccine has rolled out quickly. That's the real legacy of populist politics, a personality cult that blinds the more gullible. They rationalise their idol's failings and never bring them to account.
    Meantime, the UK government wishes to introduce new legislation that makes protest effectively illegal, under the guise of protecting us from Covid. People are no better than sheep, and the ugliness of their lives is ignored by an ever wealthy elite. Street protests aren't uncommon here, but biased media coverage ignores the root cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoghead View Post
    They say in Italy nothing weighs as little as a promise...In the UK we are 'led' by a leader who wishes to evoke Churchillian greatness, but has little to offer except an inflated ego. Bereft of ideas , he employs dubious advisors, who aren't representative of what people voted for. A recent programme streamed by thousands exposed his many lies, but won't air on mainstream T.V. Media distracts the masses with spurious news of little consequence. Botched Covid policies cost thousands their lives, but have been forgotton now the vaccine has rolled out quickly. That's the real legacy of populist politics, a personality cult that blinds the more gullible. They rationalise their idol's failings and never bring them to account.
    Meantime, the UK government wishes to introduce new legislation that makes protest effectively illegal, under the guise of protecting us from Covid. People are no better than sheep, and the ugliness of their lives is ignored by an ever wealthy elite. Street protests aren't uncommon here, but biased media coverage ignores the root cause.
    We may as well be neighbors.

    They aren't as far along with some of that here, but it is the same outline and the same structure.

    Probably even some of the same people behind it, truth be told. Or at least the same interests.

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    Sound advice. Have a laugh at this but it's real too...

    https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8

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    LOL!!! A classic.

    He's a big SJW now, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    LOL!!! A classic.

    He's a big SJW now, though.
    Nooo!

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