The Baldwin Break

[farmall]

The crew using the weapon for target practice was idiotic, and begs the question where the live rounds came from.

Ban the use of live rounds, blanks and live firearms on movie sets completely and solve the problem forever because the real problem (a dumb diversity hire bitch who didn't totally oversee and control the weapons) can not be solved because it might hurt someones fee-fees.

Movie suppliers already supply dummy full auto weapons by installing dummy receivers (for example) into military weapon parts kits. Many sellers frequent gun shows where FA weapons are legal and those interested can chat with them. There is big money being armorer to Hollywood but those arms need not be functional. That work pays for some very cool collections. One person could be a competent armorer if they followed military rules even dumb boots managed by the millions without lighting each other up.

Shit's so simple a libtard could do it (but chose not to):

No live rounds.
No freely accessible weapons.
All grabass gets instant banning from the industry including fuckery like target practice with movie weapons.
No live weapons on set unless a security guard non-player is wearing them on their person.
All prop explosives are personally escorted or locked up. No loose anything anywhere.
All personnel who touch a weapon get a day's training just like the Air Force does annually. Repeat for every movie. (Can't afford that? Use CGI)

All actors personally clear and inspect their chambers, cylinders and magazines as a G.I. does theirs. Even if someone hands you a weapon they just inspected, you inspect it.

[EVILBLACKSABRE]

I keep hearing/seeing it said that "He's just an actor, he can't be expected to know about gun safety". As if this was the first time Baldwin had ever touched a firearm.

Bullshit.

I can think of at least 6 movies I've seen in which Baldwin used firearms, including "The Getaway" in 1994, where he used several firearms throughout the movie. Obviously someone instructed him in how to use those weapons, after all, I seriously doubt Baldwin was born knowing how to load, hold, and operate a Benelli M3 Super 90 12 gauge.

I have to assume that at some point, on at least one of those movie sets, or prior to filming, that someone taught him basic firearm safety. Those 6 movies were produced by major movie studios. I have to believe they would have required the actors to receive basic firearm safety instruction. I also have to believe that any PROFESSIONAL armorer would make damn sure an actor knew and understood basic firearm safety BEFORE ever handing them a firearm, even one loaded with blanks.

[Fetch]

Baldwin "They don't want me to comment on the on-going investigation, but my production is a well oiled machine"

Well Alec....you just did "comment" and by well oiled machine....you must be referring to the gun cuz everything else looks kinda F-ed up.

Did the interviewer respond to him.....nope, just some other softball questions about his beard or lack there of.....it's like he shot someone in Chicago or St. Louis....media just doesn't give a shit.

[Guest]

I feel sorry for him, and I do not understand why so many people hate him for this tragedy. He's an actor, it's not his job to worry about props. Then where is his fault? Now he has a lot of problems and guilt for the death of a person, I will not wish this on anyone.

[47str8leg]

^^^^
Read this entire thread.
There is plenty that is his fault.

[Fetch]

I feel sorry for him, and I do not understand why so many people hate him for this tragedy. He's an actor, it's not his job to worry about props. Then where is his fault? Now he has a lot of problems and guilt for the death of a person, I will not wish this on anyone.

He owns the production C. He's ultimately responsible for the actions of the Co. Plus, he was playing "practicing his cross draw" with a real...loaded gun!

[Dragstews]

He's the drunk driver that killed someone ... !!

[rockman96]

He's the drunk driver that killed someone ... !!

Exactly!

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Why, with all of the modern special effects, do TV and movie gunshots sound more fake than years ago?

(Really, a cut & paste doesnt do this justice, just see the link and read it there, )

"Why, with all of the modern special effects, do TV and movie gunshots sound more fake than years ago?

Micheal Mann’s Heat is the BEST example of how to capture the actual sounds of the weapons. But it took a specific tactic to record that sound.
I’ll let Mann tell you himself, via his interview with Vulture:
“For the big shootout at the bank, I had a sound design of edited sound effects that was very elaborate for all the gunfire. It would have taken five days to mix. And, they weren’t as effective as the actual sound from when we shot the scene, the production tracks. And, so that’s what I wound up using . We shot with full-load blanks, meaning with full charges of gunpowder in them. And, that’s the sound the weapons actually made and you couldn’t imitate or improve upon them. It was terrifying as hell because we were in these glass and steel canyons and the gunfire reverberated in a certain real way, so they had an authenticity to the place that really was unique.”

Most productions don’t want or need to go that extra mile to get the sound right. Why? Well, basic gun sounds depend on where the perspective is. Real gunshots sound different depending on where you are.
If you’re the shooter, they’re very loud.
If you’re the receiver of the bullet (the one getting shot), depending on the distance, it could be more of a zip or pop.
If you’re a witness to the shooting, again, it depends on the distance.
So how are you supposed to convey that for the view of the camera, which ranges from closeups, medium shots, master shots, etc.?
That’s why most movies just throw in some cool sound design. Audiences don’t care. And all that the filmmakers need to do is to entertain and make the scenes exhilarating.
The shootout scene in Heat worked because it was shot within a perspective of the camera really being in the midst of this chaotic shootout in the streets of Los Angeles.
We were seeing most of the action from a “witness” perspective. There are close-ups here and there, and different angles, but the whole concept is that realistic approach to give the scene some authenticity.


In other films, authenticity is not as vital. It’s all about communicating that the good guys and bad guys are shooting at each other. That’s it. So the sound design will be more about the BOOMING sounds that add to the chaos.
In real life, gunshots are surprisingly not those BOOMING AND SPECIFICALLY CLEAR SOUNDS. In real life, they vary depending on where you are. And that’s not as exciting in a movie theater or via home theater speakers.
If you want realistic gun sounds, go to Heat and movies like Black Hawk Down.

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However there is some really good commentary besides my nattering by a well versed movie production pro.
Charles Maynes
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" there is a little more to the truth in the matter-
films are subject to OSHA standards as well, and are supposed to be somewhat controlled and safe in how loud they can be- though many films can be deafening, it is still an objective for the industry. since we have a practical ceiling of about 105 dBa for the maximum level of any sound in a film, an acoustic sound (like a gun shot) can be upwards of 160 dBa for its peak transient. So we have to limit that transient into something typically much lower- as well, when mixing together all the sounds in a film or TV show, there has to be space for both the dialog (known as production audio, and ADR, which is replaced audio recorded after filming) and Music. In the example of the HEAT gun fight (which is perhaps one of the best gunfights in cinematic history) the production audio specifically focused on the gun sounds themselves- not the dialog and voices- as those were expected to replaced afterwards. as far as “accurate” gun sounds are concerned, it was only relatively recently that accuracy became a priority for film makers, and even video games. They tended towards the paradigm of older Hollywood films like Dirty Harry.
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Heat was actually mixed for both digital, and analog format playback- analog has an even smaller dynamic range than the digital formats do-
cinematic sound systems (presently) expect the average level of a film to rest between 70 and 80 dba and not go louder than 105 dba (the specification is for -20db from full-scale digital level equals 85 dBa sound pressure). peaks can not go higher than 105 dBa with a properly calibrated speaker system.
OSHA sound exposure regulations go back to 1981
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( Interesting! On this subject ,do you think Tenet adheres to this? It was unbearable for many to watch it in the cinemas.)

Christopher Nolan mixes have been criticized often for their clarity. the one thing that is interesting is that inside that theatrical specification, a very harsh sounding mix, which is quite assaultive can easily live. Films like HEAT came out great as did Terminator 2, Blackhawk Down and Saving Private Ryan, all with much action and gunfire- it was the skill of the sound rerecording mixers, and the discretion of the directors which allowed for that- sadly, Michael Mann films since then tend to have less great sound tracks, mainly due to Mann himself, not the people who did the editorial and mixing work.
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# And a helpful little tip I learned from a special forces guy, Snap-Bang,. In real life, combat where someone is shooting at you, there's a technique, goes by different names but I call it snap bang. From long distance the gunshot is delayed based on distance, humidity, and to some degree terrain. But bullets make a snap, pop or whizzing noise when they (hopefully) pass by you. Once you learn that sound you also learn to evade & cover. But you start counting, “ one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three, etc etc" until you finally hear the BANG from the gun that fired it. There's a formula that will give you a approximate range it was fired from. If you are in a remote area, some one could be shooting at you from a ridge, mountain top or next village so if you at least have a approximate range you can make a decision on where to aim at, avoid, or call in artillery, or a airstrike.

FM 28-8 M14 M14A1 Rifle Marksmanship. Basically it's similar to estimating the range of lightening by counting the separation of the thunder and flash.
When you hear the supersonic "crack" of the bullet, you start counting and listen for the "bang" from the muzzle. You mentally align the crack you hear over your head to the thump/bang of the muzzle, there by directing you to the source of the shot.

To estimate the range you start a quick count (5 counts per second), then multiply the count by 100 to get the distance.
Example, "Crack" 1,2,3,4 "Thump" = 400 meters/yards. As you can imagine it is a very rough estimation.

[DustyDave]

Santa Fe Sheriff released more.

https://www.koat.com/article/santa-fe-county-sheriffs-office-releases-all-files-related-to-rust-shooting/39819873

[DustyDave]

This is inline with what I was told by some employs.

https://www.koat.com/article/rust-production-assistant-tells-investigators-alcohol-was-consumed-on-set/39899052?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Email%20-%20Local%20Breaking%20News&utm_source=6272bdb407c8a1b719f8c812fd0080f7&brzu=0903b10ad4dfff06c87910d0e6ce7e5b073a732bae6b48cc142aa5c6a1811d4c&lctg=5e7a75237255bd7b20106445

[rmill]

Give it a break and have some fucking empathy. He was handed what was supposed to be a prop gun and was told it was loaded with blanks, he is an actor not a fucking military vet or armorer. Now the question is the armorer who loaded it, what was she thinking.

That may be, BUT... Baldwin is an anti-gun 'blame, blame, blame' personality that obviously feels HE is just ABOVE the rules the rest of us have to follow and be held to. He may not hold 100% of the responsibility, but I can JUST IMAGINE his reaction had HIS wife been killed by another under the same circumstance. The guy is a disgusting Hollywood liberal HYPOCRITE. CONVINCE us otherwise...

[DustyDave]

Looks like it's all over!

https://www.koat.com/article/rust-movie-shooting-new-mexico-alec-baldwin-halyna-hutchins/41396445?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Email%20-%20Local%20Breaking%20News&utm_source=63560b60f25b82619a2ec6b162c57acb&brzu=0903b10ad4dfff06c87910d0e6ce7e5b073a732bae6b48cc142aa5c6a1811d4c&lctg=5e7a75237255bd7b20106445

Dusty

[farmall]

Modern tech means movies no longer need functioning firearms. They should be banned by law from movie sets, and for that matter the sooner AI obsoletes meatbag actors (it will happen eventually, there are no barriers but processing power) the more capable the industry will be at producing the fantasies it's paid for.

Too bad Baldwin didn't cap himself but the whole thing was a clown show.

[flathead]

That POS BaldwinLoser murdered that woman, open your eyes and get off the fucking phone, take your tin foil hat off