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    ^^ Holy Bad Day, Batman ... !!

    Yup ... That is what I'm wanting to avoid ...

    The way that I built the 400 SBC motor is not a Hi-Output on Horsepower ...
    But does have huge torque numbers ... For a mouse motor ..

    When I first built that motor was playing a bit hard with it in the snow (Living in Kentucky at the time)
    Snapped the trans output shaft ..... Twas a bad day for sure ...
    I still have the broken shaft, using it as a press tool ...



    Was a bit of work to pull the trans and gut it down to replace the shaft ...
    Went back with a shaft that was much stronger than what was there ...

    The trans is the super beefy THM 400 ...
    Been a dang good trans (I also built it Heavy-Duty)
    It's soon to be replaced with a 4L85E that I built to be a Bad-Boy too ...

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    Man, did I go nuts building that critter ..

    ... /// https://youtu.be/wfGD5FgtNtY \\\ ...

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    What's inside the 4L85E? Other Chevrolet truck owners want to know.

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    Question should be "What ain't" ..



    I'll start at the ass-end and work forward with the trans mods ...

    Back when I built the 400 I rollerized the output shaft, the 4L85 is also rollerized with a anti walk 400 case bushing (Installed backwards) and a few parts from a THM 350C trans ... (Pump Torrington bearing and a few shims)





    What make a 4L80 into a 4L85 are the use of 5 planet gears ....



    From a after/market manufacturer these Extreme Duty 4L85E 5 pinion planetary geartrains sell for $780 ...
    I found a used set (Oem) on the West Coast (Oregon) ... Looked to be good as new for less than half the price .. (Got Lucky)

    4L80 Specs:

    440 lb-ft (597 Nm) (MT1) Maximum Engine Torque

    885 lb-ft (1200 Nm) Maximum Transmission Torque (output)



    4L85 Specs:

    460 lb-ft (624 Nm) (MN8) Maximum Engine Torque

    885 lb-ft (1200 Nm) Maximum Transmission Torque (output)

    From GM Website:

    The Hydra-Matic 4L80 and 4L85 are close-ratio four-speed automatic transmissions that serve the heavy duty truck market, full-size vans, as well as school buses and motor home chassis.

    The 4L85 was added as a heavier duty version of the 4L80 for the 2002 model year and has heavy duty components to handle increased torque and horsepower requirements. Those components include 5-pinion output and reaction gearsets. Within these gearset assemblies, the smallest gears are the pinions that revolve around the sun gears.
    Four-pinion gearsets are sufficient for most applications, but adding a pinion gear to the gearsets allows them to handle higher loads.

    Oh, guess I should mention the case, dust cover and oil pan, I did my thing with the powder coating ...





    Holds about two more quarts than stock ...

    Made up an fluid filter extension



    All bushings was replaced with the good stuff ...
    Durabond 4L80E 13 PC Seamless High Performance Bushing Kit (1997+) TK-4AHP
    They offer a complete bushing set that has been coated with a Black Teflon coating ..





    Another mod will be to dual feed the direct clutch ..
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    Continued ....

    (This will be a bit long till I get to the pump)

    POWERPACK 4L80E 4L85E RED EAGLE INTERMEDIATE Hi-Po, 1991-UP ..
    This clutch set comes with 5 RedEagle clutches and 5 Kolene Turbulator steel plates. This is a 25% increase in the clutch apply area.



    Forward clutch got upgraded too ...
    (7) 031740A Red Eagle® Friction Plates (.061” / 1.54mm) (6) 031701AK Kolene® Steel Plates (.060” / 1.52mm) (1) 031711-325 Bottom Pressure Plate (.128” / 3.25mm)



    Here's how it's adding up ..
    5 in the intermediate
    7 in the direct
    7 in the forward
    5 in the overdrive clutch

    1.250" Kevlar front band (OS) and some new brass shims to replace the og plastic ..



    Kevlar low & reverse band ...



    Up-graded the forward clutch hub, it's been rollerize ..



    This bad boy forward apply piston is billet ...





    The HD Billet Reverse Servo is a nice up-grade over the Oem cast servo ... They been known to fail ..

    Getting closer to the pump ...



    Installed a beefier input shaft ...



    Oem has been known to fail under hard usage ... (AKA: heavy foot)

    Forgot this little after/market goodie ...



    Case Saver Retainer​
    Part No. 34762-20​
    Fits '99-later 4L80-E.​

    Sonnax case saver retainer 34762-20 for '99-later GM 4L80-E units is the only intermediate clutch retaining ring case saver that allows the intermediate band to be retained.
    This case saver fits over the intermediate band anchor lug inside the case and extends rearward to support the intermediate clutch backing plate retaining ring, preventing case lug blow out.

    There have been a variety of case saver designs over the years, however, all require eliminating the intermediate band as is often done in drag racing trans-brake applications.
    Only the Sonnax case saver retainer supports the intermediate clutch retaining ring, yet is thin enough to allow the intermediate band to be installed, allowing case lug protection in all applications.

    Overkill .... ??
    Perhaps, but I was in the neighborhood, ya know ..



    Dialed in all end-plays to spec ...



    There more to the build like the Transgo kit ..

    This Boy cracks me up ..

    But he nails (With a Carpenter's hammer no less) the HD-2 kit .. He short-cutted the internal mods ...

    ... /// https://youtu.be/-uWKjdhqRnQ \\\ ...

    But you get the drift ...

    A custom trans built like this one would be up there in the thousands of dollars ..
    (Don't ask me how I know this .. )




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    How many ponies ya figger to feed that lovely beast?

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    350/375 might be a good guess ..

    Shop two doors down from me in the complex has a dyno ...They been wanting to see the numbers, me, I couldn't give a rat's ass to know em ...!!

    Hit a small lick on the front axle today ..



    Zone Offroad Products engineered this front sway bar shackle link kit to convert the factory pivot-style sway bar mount at the axle to a shackle-type link.
    This unique design prevents the swaybar axle mount from binding and allows for maximum axle articulation.

    Got a better working angle on the sway bar now ... Not that I'm going to be "Road Racing" the ol' gal, but ever since I lifted it (4") the angle it had looked funky to me ...



    Installed some Hi-Jacker shocks on er too ..
    (Another wear item that's been overlooked way to long)

    Got the ring gear installed on the Locker carrier, might get around to load it ...
    Dang thing is heavy (Tried to get it in the axle housing by man handling , but didn't eat enough Wheaties), going to use the trans jack to lift it up to load ...



    Working by yourself does have a few drawbacks !!
    Every now and then, a Bubba sure would be a great deal of help ...



    ... /// https://youtu.be/4rT5fYMfEUc \\\ ...

    Dang got close with the backlash ...



    Got .003" need .005"

    Did a little sanding on the Oem shim ... Not going to stack after/market

    On spec ...



    And done ...

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    Well Fellows .... That major chore is behind me ... Brake drums came in which was the final items that was needed to complete the rear end ...

    Moving on to the next chore that's on my list of modifications will be adding three inches to the rear fenders ..
    With the tires sticking out from under the fenders, driving in the rain is "Rooster Tail City"

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    Been thinking about doing the front fenders as well ...
    Could save me a lot of work (Slice & Dice time) with coming up with a set of fenders off of a R-140/150/160 Series 3/4 ton 1953-54-55 IH truck ...
    They are wider than the 1/2 ton trucks ..



    They got a sexy raised section midway in the fender ....


    R-140 ^^

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    R-160 ^^

    Oh-Boy .... Y'all see what I see ... There is a difference between the R-140's and the 160's ....
    The wheel openings are smaller on the 140's ...

    Well Poo .. !!
    My search continue ...
    _______________________________________________

    My Goodness Gracious Great Balls of Fire ... !!

    Think I've ran up on a set of these R-140 and up fenders ..
    Fellow said he has a old truck that he's junking out ...
    Also said he thinks he has a set already off the truck ...

    At the present time we are in the mist of negotiations ...

    Problem is how to get them to me .. ??
    They are in Cochranville, Pa ..
    (Well, at least their on the East Coast)

    Say farmall .... You up for a road trip ??

    (Holy, Way the freaken far off, Batman)

    8 hr 20 min (546.7 mi) via I-95

    ... /// https://youtu.be/et8gJnVluBE \\\ ...



    So much for a Road Trip, more like an all out adventure .. !!

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    That ^^ right there is the ticket ...


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    Wonder what the odds would be to find a set of NOS fenders ??

    Well, just got an email from a Guy that says he has only the drivers side and is in fact "New Old Stock"
    It's in Oklahoma ..

    Another Fellow has a used set ...
    (Would-en ya know it ... He's in Oregon !!)


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    Edit; These are not the fenders I'm after ..
    This truck is a R-160, I need fenders off of a R-140 ...
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    BTY ....

    Goodbye R-100 ..

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    Hello .....


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    Dang ... This is work .. !!



    Now where did I sit down that rattle can of paint ...
    So much easier to push the button than putting on a shine to Alum.
    (But, by far is not the same finish)



    Hadn't found a way around that ... Yet !
    (Highly doubt that it's possible ?)
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    Right at 4" ^^

    Going to add three inches and net all of the tread under the fender leaving one inch of sidewall sticking out .... That's my plan ..!!
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    Ahem. Four days now... you're either slouching or busting ass.

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    Pulling the transfer case and tranny ...

    Having big time fun ... Not !!





    That auxiliary radiator will be taking a hike ...
    I put that on along with another one under the right running board with fans when I was living in the Mojave Desert .. (They came out of IH School buses ... Back seat heaters) !!

    Gets kinda hot out there ...



    Ya know ....
    ________________________________________

    Dang this is work ...


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    On the front fenders, the parts book (IH 1953) shows three difference numbers ...

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    Checked the production numbers for the fenders I'm after (R-140) ..
    Had to be the lowest number made for the three year run of the R Series ..
    Only 836 was made ....

    The R-160's were the Top Dog with the production numbers ..
    Since I've had no luck finding (Like looking for Hitler's Gold Train) the R-140 fenders, I'm thinking about jumping on those R-160 fenders (Bird in the hand type deal) and make them into the R-140's with major sheet metal work involved .. !!
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Meanwhile ...

    Lets flashback to the 50's ....

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    With the outside sun visor in use comes the need for a traffic light viewer ...



    That was "Hi-Tech" back in the day ...
    (My mother had a 1956 model 62 Caddy that had a shade and light viewer on the dash, that old car was a land yacht)

    Elvis had one ...



    ... /// https://youtu.be/bJhlCNTszcQ \\\ ...
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    Yeah Baby, yeah !!


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    Now your talking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragstews View Post
    Yeah Baby, yeah !!

    You've got me missing my old binder, a '52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman96 View Post
    You've got me missing my old binder, a '52.
    Think we all had cars/trucks that we should have kelp ...

    Two comes to my mind ....
    A 48 Chevy FleetMaster (Two door Sedan) and a 57 Chevy Sport Coupe ...

    ... /// https://youtu.be/LNMfXRQxHFg \\\ ...

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    About that Sun Visor ...

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    Not wanting it to take flight at 60 mph ...
    Nailing the center mount on the truck's sheet metal using rivnuts ...

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    Alright .... Back to Scooter shi ... errrrr ... stuff ..

    The owner of the Shiny Ass 52 showed up today with the Frankenstein 53 ...





    Did a cursory look at what was there ... And decided ... Well, ya gotta start somewhere .. !!

    Not all that sure how we are going to build it ..
    Going to pull it from the frame and do a tear down .. Kinda see what there is to see deal, and get a game plan together ...

    Boys, if this ol' scoot could talk...
    I would wager to say it's got some doozies of stories to tell ..
    ___________________________________________

    The 52 will be going home with him tomorrow ...

    Had a small job to do on it, with using the Goodson Mag Cap I had to take the mag off in order to load a piece of rubber tubing over the point spring ..
    That keeps the spring from grounding out the system from touching the mag cap ..



    Had to re-time the mag ...
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    Can't wait to see where this motor will have a home ...

    I'm more than sure it will be slick as a minnow's peter .. !!
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    Question for y'all ... ??

    Buddy just nailed down a motor that has never been fired up ...

    All are new parts from the past ..
    He called and wanted to know about how it was built (Manufactures of A/M parts) ..





    Got some good stuff in use with this one ..

    S&S Big-Bore jugs and their heads ..
    Long, lost, nevermore cases ..
    Yeah, some dang good parts went into it.. I'm here to tell ya !!

    He asked about the size, told him to get the numbers off the wheels and also said to the chap to off those new jugs and go 3-13/16" Big-Bore ..
    Being the motor is a unknown, sure would be good timing to see up close what he bought ...

    Ya think my thoughts are sound ??

    Or I need to spend some time in a rubber room ..??
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    Might as well put those Delkrons to good use and build him a stroker to keep the thread going.

    Does anyone make billet aluminum cylinders you like? Less weight = quicker acceleration all else being equal and a cooling boost wouldn't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    Might as well put those Delkrons to good use and build him a stroker to keep the thread going.

    Does anyone make billet aluminum cylinders you like? Less weight = quicker acceleration all else being equal and a cooling boost wouldn't hurt.


    *Shovelhead Cylinders Big Bore 3-5/8″ by Speed And Science ®. Billet Aluminum outer shell.
    *Suitable for all ’66-’84 models, this product requires engine cases to be bored out to 3.880″ in order to accept the cylinder spigots.
    *Cylinders are supplied 5.440″ long and yield 96CUI with 4-5/8″ stroke crankshafts. Longer stroke requires using stroker plates (not supplied). Shorter strokes (4-1/4 and 4-1/2) require base trimming.
    *Comes with pressed-in, cetrifugally spun Grey Iron liners, undersized by -.030″ to allow for bore / hone to fit customer’s pistons. Liner’s beefy, 1/8″ wall thickness allow for all available oversized pistons.
    *Liners are replaceable, making the product infinitely rebuildable.
    *Internal, “hidden” oil drains, OEM locations top / bottom.
    *9.2lb weight savings (p. pair) versus the all cast-iron construction.
    *Much better heat conductivity / dissipation drops the operating temperature up to 50F.

    Use a set on the dual Riley carburetor motor ...

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    But they only offer those jugs in a 3-5/8" bore ...
    In order to have 3-13/16" jugs Axtell or Trock jugs will be needed .. Both manufacturers uses Ductile Iron ....

    Lets run some numbers ...

    3-13/16" Bore, 4-5/8" Stroke = 105.57 Cubes ..
    Increase the Stroke to 4-3/4" = 108.42 Cubes

    For longer strokes a Hi-Deck case certainly would come in handy for attaining long engine life ...

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    About the "Roswell" hood ornament ...



    Got it ready for chroming ...





    Been thinking about trading the ol' Binder for a Mustang ...

    ... /// https://youtu.be/3TYWYDqr-TA \\\ ...

    (That is "If" Sally comes with)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragstews View Post
    [IMG]
    *Shovelhead Cylinders Big Bore 3-5/8″ by Speed And Science ®. Billet Aluminum outer shell.
    *Suitable for all ’66-’84 models, this product requires engine cases to be bored out to 3.880″ in order to accept the cylinder spigots.
    *Cylinders are supplied 5.440″ long and yield 96CUI with 4-5/8″ stroke crankshafts. Longer stroke requires using stroker plates (not supplied). Shorter strokes (4-1/4 and 4-1/2) require base trimming.
    *Comes with pressed-in, cetrifugally spun Grey Iron liners, undersized by -.030″ to allow for bore / hone to fit customer’s pistons. Liner’s beefy, 1/8″ wall thickness allow for all available oversized pistons.
    *Liners are replaceable, making the product infinitely rebuildable.
    *Internal, “hidden” oil drains, OEM locations top / bottom.
    *9.2lb weight savings (p. pair) versus the all cast-iron construction.
    *Much better heat conductivity / dissipation drops the operating temperature up to 50F.

    Use a set on the dual Riley carburetor motor ...

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    Lets run some numbers ...

    3-13/16" Bore, 4-5/8" Stroke = 105.57 Cubes ..
    Increase the Stroke to 4-3/4" = 108.42 Cubes
    Either of those would be brutal. But a blast!

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    Got the back story on this motor ...

    Seems that it's been traded around with many owners over the years ..
    None of them took the time to build a scoot around it, just sat on a bench each time a new owner got it ..
    And the years added up ...

    Should know what wheels are in it later this evening ..
    Got more photos coming too ....
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    It's got a 4-1/2" stroke, with the 3-5/8" bore that is 92.89 cubes ...
    Same stroke but with 3-13/16" jugs = 102.72 cubes ...



    Look at how beefy that case is !!
    Cam chest is chuck full of S&S components ..



    Rocker boxes are also loaded with S&S parts ...

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