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    Default Raking Neck on 2000 Sportster

    Ok everyone, show or tell me how you raked your necks. Pictures would be cool too. I want some rake in the neck of the Sporty I just got but have never chopped into a Sportster. I have a decent amount of experience building metric hardtailed bikes but never raked a neck. I know with the xs650 a lot of guys will cut a small section out of the backbone, cut two smaller pie sections out of the down tubes, and just bend the neck back until the backbone touches again and then weld it all back together. Show me what you guys Have done with the Sportster. I just want to see what the different raking options are with these bikes.

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    guessin' you saw this XL forum thread...don't know how much of a difference between a '94 and your 2000:

    Chop Chop
    I am planning on raking the frame and chopping the swingarm to fit a 190. I know some of you have done this. Is there any xxxxx ups I should look out for. I got a '94 sporty hugger...

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    http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread...ed+neck+gusset

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    "Started with a 2003 1200 Custom...
    Big day, chopping into the neck. Built the frame to hold everything in place when the neck was nearly completely separated"
    http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1051315
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    I don’t think that’s one of them that I found but thanks. I’ll definitely read through it. �� Anything else you’re can find would be greatly appreciated too.

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    If your going in right behind the neck Lillie pic above, there are sevral layers. The tubes are welded on and the gussets over them. Make sure u re-attach the tubes as well as the gusset.
    That’s why a lot of guys cut the tubes behind/below gussets like u were talking. You can run with out a gusset if u take the time to clean it all off...

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    I know in one thread I was reading I thought people were saying the tubes aren’t completely welded to the neck and that they’re just tacked and that the gussets are what actually holds them together?

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    How much rake are you wanting to add .. ??

    There are raked bearing cups on the market that allows for easy installation ... No slice & dice to your frame whatsoever ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragstews View Post
    How much rake are you wanting to add .. ??

    There are raked bearing cups on the market that allows for easy installation ... No slice & dice to your frame whatsoever ...
    I was looking to add whatever enough would be to bring the front end down just a little with 8 over fork tubes. Not completely flatten it out though. Maybe 7 degrees-ish? I’m not really sure because I’ve never raked a neck or used neck cups. I couldn’t find anything over 3 degrees in cups though and I don’t think that would be enough with 8 over forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79Josh81 View Post
    I couldnít find anything over 3 degrees in cups though and I donít think that would be enough with 8 over forks.
    They make raked trees too... Easy to go back if you don't like it. There is a limit tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman96 View Post
    They make raked trees too...
    Rake tree are prone to high-speed wobble !! .. ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman96 View Post
    They make raked trees too... Easy to go back if you don't like it. There is a limit tho.
    I know trail is going to decrease a lot with just raked trees though.

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    I was wanting to do like a raked neck cup kit and then raked trees, but when I figured out the cost I could get a brand new hardtail frame from vtwin mfg with 40 degree rake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79Josh81 View Post
    I know in one thread I was reading I thought people were saying the tubes aren’t completely welded to the neck and that they’re just tacked and that the gussets are what actually holds them together?
    They weld wherever there isn’t going to be a gusset directly over it. They set the gusset back so they can weld the tube and gusset at the same time.
    At least that’s what I’ve experienced one the couple I’ve skinned.

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    Raking the neck by cutting from the bottom just looks so sketchy to me. I know it probably isn’t that bad but it just looks bad considering that cutting it that way is the same way the force of riding would want to break it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG View Post
    They weld wherever there isn’t going to be a gusset directly over it. They set the gusset back so they can weld the tube and gusset at the same time.
    At least that’s what I’ve experienced one the couple I’ve skinned.
    So you’re saying cut from the bottom, rake it to where you want it, and then extend, slug, and sleeve the two down tubes back together before piecing in your cut and adding your new gussets? I don’t even know how you could get a welder up in there.

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    I can almost guarantee that what you'll put back in, if you do it right, will be stronger than what the factory did.

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    You can peel the neck easily, so there's no reason not to peel the neck. You will already have all the tools required.

    Protect the VIN (aluminum tape works well against spatter but stay away with the grinder including never grinding where the disc will pull toward the VIN) then cut the welds with a zip disc and remove external plating. Not hard. I've done it and it's really no big deal. Use a cutting disc in your angle grinder, go slow and take your time. Flap discs (60 or 80 grit) for grinding and polishing leave a nice finish prior to welding.

    Cut neck free, tack in place at desired rake, verify nothing shifted, finish weld taking your time and checking alignment frequently. Small classic chopper style gussets are better than no gusset but frame flex is no big deal since choppers deliberately discard handling for sweet sweet Art. The point of chopping is to copy old styles and "wrapped" necks are not that. Adding classic single plate gussets looks good and adds reinforcement. So long as your welds are sound (no 120V bullshit FCAW garbage) they should do fine.

    There's nothing new to invent. Study and copy success including neck alignment and frame jigging.

    Relevant JJ thread with good pix: https://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/...43&postcount=5
    Last edited by farmall; 05-04-2020 at 3:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragstews View Post
    Rake tree are prone to high-speed wobble !! .. ..
    Hence, "there is a limit"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    You can peel the neck easily, so there's no reason not to peel the neck. You will already have all the tools required.

    Protect the VIN (aluminum tape works well against spatter but stay away with the grinder including never grinding where the disc will pull toward the VIN) then cut the welds with a zip disc and remove external plating. Not hard. I've done it and it's really no big deal. Use a cutting disc in your angle grinder, go slow and take your time. Flap discs (60 or 80 grit) for grinding and polishing leave a nice finish prior to welding.

    Cut neck free, tack in place at desired rake, verify nothing shifted, finish weld taking your time and checking alignment frequently. Small classic chopper style gussets are better than no gusset but frame flex is no big deal since choppers deliberately discard handling for sweet sweet Art. The point of chopping is to copy old styles and "wrapped" necks are not that. Adding classic single plate gussets looks good and adds reinforcement. So long as your welds are sound (no 120V bullshit FCAW garbage) they should do fine.

    There's nothing new to invent. Study and copy success including neck alignment and frame jigging.

    Relevant JJ thread with good pix: https://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/...43&postcount=5
    Thanks man i'll check that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman96 View Post
    Hence, "there is a limit"...
    So what is the limit? I've heard up to 5 degrees in just raked trees on a sportster still seems to be alright?

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