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    I just picked up this springer the other day and I'm having a hard time identifying it. The rockers seem to be upside down with zerk fittings facing downward. It seems like the rockers may not be the original ones. It has a removable 7/8 stem and very thick square solid rear legs. I know AEE and SIE did square legs but other parts made me think Fury with non original rockers. Can anybody weigh in on this please? I did read through the thread on Jockey Journal and looked at all the pictures that I could. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailerParkKyle View Post
    I did read through the thread on Jockey Journal and looked at all the pictures that I could. Thanks in advance.
    What did they say it was over on JJ?????

    Or did they all say that's a nice springer???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattooo View Post
    What did they say it was over on JJ?????

    Or did they all say that's a nice springer???????
    Nothing yet. We shall see. The thread over there has been quiet for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailerParkKyle View Post
    Nothing yet. We shall see. The thread over there has been quiet for a while.
    LOL Thread Hell, that whole place/forum has been quiet for years now........ Hell it's even quiet now with people having to stay home....... LOL

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    It looks like it was cut shorter and cut poorly; the back legs at the bottom look hacked, while the rocker holes on the bottom of the front legs are not even in the middle of the legs.

    An interesting feature, which may help identify it it that the back legs are square below the bottom tree, and round above it. Also, it is inline, not offset, and the upper spring perch is thick...will dig through my files tonight.

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    Rockers kind of look like the SB&F springer on the right. I used to have an Amen Square springer years ago that was drilled out on the bottom like that but there was no twist in the front legs. Probably offered it both ways. Could also be a cobbled together front end from a couple of different companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 47str8leg View Post
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    Rockers kind of look like the SB&F springer on the right. I used to have an Amen Square springer years ago that was drilled out on the bottom like that but there was no twist in the front legs. Probably offered it both ways. Could also be a cobbled together front end from a couple of different companies.
    I was looking at those SB&F rockers as well. The top spring perch looks different than theirs did. I have not dog in to Amen yet, I'll look at them. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriNortchopz View Post
    It looks like it was cut shorter and cut poorly; the back legs at the bottom look hacked, while the rocker holes on the bottom of the front legs are not even in the middle of the legs.

    An interesting feature, which may help identify it it that the back legs are square below the bottom tree, and round above it. Also, it is inline, not offset, and the upper spring perch is thick...will dig through my files tonight.
    The front legs have some shape to them at the bottom, almost like eyelets where the twist ends. It is more centered in the leg than it appears in the picture because of the angle. I'll post another shot of where the legs meet the rockers later today. Thank you!

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    Ya, not SB&F - note how upper spring perch is right next to the upper tree.

    Not AEE as their square leg back leg goes right to the top, and upper spring perch close to upper tree:

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    Not Amen,as they have a 'point' in the middle of their upper spring perch:

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    Not California springer as they have one-piece upper tree/upper spring perch, like Columbia, Butts, and P&P springer:
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    Cycles International is close:
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    Not Denvers - offset trees, Not Dick Allen, not Finch, Not D&D, Not Jammers, Not Randy,

    Fury has their spring perch in similar location, but lazy twist that is not twisted near the top, and no mention of square back leg:
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    KDM springer is close...how is the upper tree tightened to the back leg?
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    KDM:
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    Not S.I.E., as square goes to top and upper spring perch close to top tree:
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    Not Wheel Specialties - different shaped trees and spring perch...wonder if maybe a Wayne springer,saw pic of one once, didn't grab it...just have Wayne girder pics...

    few more to look at here:

    Chopper Front Ends
    http://www.angelfire.com/tn/bikes/frntends.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriNortchopz View Post
    KDM springer is close...how is the upper tree tightened to the back leg?
    It has pinch bolts that tighten the top tree on the legs. The to tree is also on upside down as those bolts would need to be accessible. Judging by neck length the top tree would also be sitting about 1/2 to 3/4 inches lower, the top of the rear legs/ start of the riser stud would then be flush with the top tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailerParkKyle View Post
    I was looking at those SB&F rockers as well. The top spring perch looks different than theirs did. I have not dog in to Amen yet, I'll look at them. Thanks!
    I meant just the rockers themselves not the whole springer
    Could be cobbled together from different companies.

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    Not a Dick Allen for sure but keep in mind for further I.D. threads that Allen did use a rectangular spring bridge, not round, on his early forks before he went commercial with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gww250 View Post
    Not a Dick Allen for sure but keep in mind for further I.D. threads that Allen did use a rectangular spring bridge, not round, on his early forks before he went commercial with them.
    Thanks Gary, I remember info I shared here before on a springer ID request thread that included Dick Allen's early springer with the rectangular bridge, as there is a Chopcult blog article written by Irish Rich, that includes a pic:

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    "Now, look at the spacing of the upper springs on Mouse's DA front end. See how far apart they are? Dick built Mouse's front end just about as wide as an original springer was. Also note, that the lower spring perch bar is square - not round, and about as thick as the lower triple tree is."

    I found this by accident........
    http://www.chopcult.com/news/blogs/i...-17-40-02.html

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    Here's some pictures of the rockers in the correct position.

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    Good pics of them rockers;

    they are Jammer rockers:

    see second photo, a close up of the rockers, in Jaguar's 1st post of his Jammer springer thread:

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    That top tree has the split in the middle and pinch bolts like a Jammer too...how about a few pics of it off the springer.

    since we're jammin' on the topic, how about a 'new' Jammer's catalog from 2007:

    http://www.dmt-design-bikes.be/Old%2...R_2007_WEB.pdf

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    So here are some pictures of the top clamp. Still on backwards, but better pictures. The nut at the bottom of the stem under the bottom tree may also be unique.
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    can't tell from the pics as the stem isn't clear but I think it's in upside down

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    In the first pic, I can see the UNEF thread inside the top nut, and in pic #3, I can see the UNEF threads on the neckpost (looks worn) on the neck at the top...it looks like there is a step at the bottom of the threads, maybe the threaded portion is welded on.
    What is the diameter of the threads and what is the pith (threads per inch)? Typical Harley and springer necks are 1" diameter with 24 TPI, (UNS threads).

    That bottom nut may be to hold the neck in the bottom tree, it looks like a shoulder of the neck is against the upper part of the bottom tree.

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