The Horse Back Street Mag.

[RickG61]

After I got the reply, which said they were bringing subs back in house since other company was screwing them up, I asked if this meant they WOULD be doing subs. They replied quickly. NO. But I could still buy them on news stand or order single issues at their website store. So, looks like no more subs.

[TravelingBone]

...I asked if this meant they WOULD be doing subs. They replied quickly. NO. But I could still buy them on news stand ....

Too bad. For me the newsstand is a once or twice a year impulse buy, but that's about it. Newsstand prices are ridiculous.

Guess I'll consider The Horse to be The Dead Horse and start looking around for alternatives.

[7and7is]

Cafe Racer is a good rag, however they fucked up my subscription also.

[TravelingBone]

Cafe Racer is a good rag, however they fucked up my subscription also.

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into them. I'm also going to give Cycle Source a whirl and see how I like their content (and reliability).

[1954bmw]

Bought issue 171 off of ebay, still waiting for it's arrival, Cycle Source has been good so far, cept they use black ink on dark paper and these old eyes can't read it half the time

[RickG61]

Bought issue 171 off of ebay, still waiting for it's arrival, Cycle Source has been good so far, cept they use black ink on dark paper and these old eyes can't read it half the time

Tell me about it. I'm not sure how many issues I've had where a portion of the article is hard as hell to read since the print blends into their background photo. Otherwise, not a bad magazine.

[Dougtheinternetannoyance123]

I am bummed about the Subscription issue as I have a sub card stuck to my filing cabinet here in my office. I bought issues for many years at newstands at local stores usually would swing in on my way home from work, But I am disabled and not working and dont leave home much so, had planned to sub.
I am going thru my old issues (Other magazines too) and putting post it notes for tech stuff to save copies of, then I am selling off a lot of my old magazines. (Got a ton of car, airplane and motorcycle mags going back to the 70s),
I have bought cafe racer off and on. The editor Mike Seate i have mixed feelings about. In general I LIKE the magazine and like most of the content. But he used to be involved in some HD fad bike magazines (Think fat tires and lots of bling) So some say he is just riding another fad, but I will give him & his staff a chance. But they DO have some annoying typos and editorial as well as tech errors. Shit happens, but some should be caught in better proof reading and fact checking.
Cycle Source seemed more HD orientated and I like a cross section of bikes, not just the latest HD fad, but they seem to be a little more willing to experiment with content the last few years but for a while it was "Our way or the highway",
But thats why I like the Horse,,, All kinds of bikes and styles and they refused to carry any of the current bagger fad, plus a little cafe racer stuff would sneak in, so thats cool with me. In a perfect world, What I want to see is talented home based builders bikes and maybe 10-20% pro built stuff. Sleazy riders went to shit in my opinion when they just featured checkbook bikes only.
As in "I paid $40,000 for this Indian Billy Bourget OCC bike inspired by a dream catcher Tshirt I bought from WCC".

There used to be a UK based magazine called "Classic motorcycle mechanics" and if you can find old issues they are cover to cover cool tech articles on all kinds of stuff from Carbs & ignitions to Frame repair and engine & Trans rebuilding. Really indepth shop manual grade stuff.Last I checked,, Not nearly so cool. But issues from the 1980s up until early 2000s are pure gold.

See: https://www.classicmechanics.com/

Old vintage Iron Horse, and Easy Riders though are still gold, and I get requests all the time to sell mine. Back in the 1980s We had a big stack of them in some of the places I worked and very inspirational. Seems there would be a market for reprinting them. I still have some cool cartoons from some of the artists too. Miraculus Mutha's recipe for tequila pancakes???

[vonhelmet]

^Hal Robinson^ one of the greatest under-rated cartoonists. He had amazing detail. You can stare at his work for hours and still find stuff you missed.

[47str8leg]

^Hal Robinson^ one of the greatest under-rated cartoonists. He had amazing detail. You can stare at his work for hours and still find stuff you missed.

Been trying to nail that book down for years.
Basically all today's mags suck.
Mike Seate is a turd , the old IH during the Snow
Era proved him to be a fraud back in the 90s.
Old IH's and Easyriders are great.
Only need 2-3 more issues of IH to complete the
Collection. Decent amount of doubles to trade towards old 1985 on down Easyriders , last couple of old IHs I still need and any other interesting books or older chopper mags from the 60's- 70's.

[Hoghead]

So which Old IH do you need?

[Dougtheinternetannoyance123]

Been trying to nail that book down for years.
Basically all today's mags suck.
Mike Seate is a turd , the old IH during the Snow
Era proved him to be a fraud back in the 90s.
Old IH's and Easyriders are great.
Only need 2-3 more issues of IH to complete the
Collection. Decent amount of doubles to trade towards old 1985 on down Easyriders , last couple of old IHs I still need and any other interesting books or older chopper mags from the 60's- 70's.

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Be hapy to do some swapping if I have them, PM me in mid to late October as I will get back into inventorying my magazines. I got a wide range of stuff from vintage Hot rodding, Car craft, circle track and then a big cross section of biker magazines. On the modern IH-BSC I started last winter and got half done. Tagged and started making copies of tech stuff I want to keep and photocopy/scan. But I want to downsize and sell off some of this stuff.
when I find it again Ill post the Miraculas Muthas recipe for Tequila pancakes as well as her relationship advice column.

I had to run some errands in town and tried 4 different stores and seems biker magazines are a dying breed. 2 of them are now run by the Mormons and seems they have no problems with any gun magazines, and a few rat rod car magazines but any of the biker stuff is now gone. Only MC related stuff is dirt bikes. I went to 2 other stores as well. Nada, Zip, Zilch, Nyet, Nein, Nope,, NOTHING! Like I said,,, only dirt bike magazines.
Is it a conspiracy? Jeff Sessions? Trump??

Many of you guys are too young, but back in the 1980s the gummint cracked down on Playboy and Penthouse and prosecuted 7-11 and other retailers for obscenity. Then Tipper Gore and other Politicians wives with their panties in a wad got together and tried to outlaw any music they deemed offensive. Anyone remember 2 live crew? Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Def Leppard. All had years of crap thrown at them. Attorney General Edwin Meese was the head guy at the time.

Maybe the reason we cant get quality chopper mag material is Atty General Jeff Sessions!

Not so far fetched as you might think. (This cost taxpayers millions and millions of dollars) and those of us serving in the military overseas saw all porn go away permanently from any Base BX/PX or Commissary. (Was the high point of the month to go the BX when the new magazines came in)

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.82caf64c011a

By Howard Kurtz October 23, 1986
Attorney General Edwin Meese III unveiled a plan yesterday to combat what he called "an explosion of obscenity," announcing the formation of an antipornography task force and proposing laws to restrict obscene material on cable television, telephone messages and computer networks.

Endorsing most of the recommendations made by his commission on pornography in a 1,960-page August report, Meese also called upon "hundreds of thousands of concerned citizens" to "express their understandable intolerance . . . and revulsion for the obscene materials being sold in their neighborhoods."

Meese said the Justice Department had never tried to "intimidate" retailers who sell magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse, but added that consumer boycotts have been "a traditional form of expression" for "moral causes."

Under pressure from antipornography groups to take strong action, Meese went further than had been expected in seeking legislative changes. He also announced creation of an obscenity prosecution center in the department's Criminal Division to train U.S. attorneys and local prosecutors, provide expert witnesses and draft model antipornography statutes.

The center will be augmented by a task force of Criminal Division lawyers, who Meese said would help increase the number of pornography prosecutions at the state and local level.

Several antipornography groups praised Meese's actions yesterday. Morality in Media Inc., a New York group, said, "The attorney general's announcement today has put back the bite in the teeth of the federal obscenity laws which have been sitting on the books almost unused for over a decade."

But Barry W. Lynn of the American Civil Liberties Union said that "the fanfare . . . is designed to frighten producers and retailers out of the business of selling sexually oriented materials."

"He didn't declare nuclear war on this material, but by intimidating or frightening people, you can also do considerable damage," Lynn said. "It does have the feel of FBI agents scrutinizing video stores and monitoring television broadcasts."

Lynn cited a Meese proposal in which retailers and producers would have to keep records showing that the models in sexually explicit films and magazines are over 21. He said it was "preposterous" to suggest that storekeepers "have to know whether the woman in Playboy this month is 21 or 20 1/2."

blah blah,.,,, look this stuff up yourself but you get the idea.

You will get my chopper magazines only when you pry them from my cold dead fingers!

[47str8leg]

So which Old IH do you need?

#41 August 1984
#54 October 1985
#70 November or December 1987
#76 July or August 1988
#135 August 1995 ( which I had but loaned out , never to be seen again.).

Also issue #71 , which I have but is pretty ratty.
They did not publish every month that's why #70&76 could be either .

[KevinN]

The Horse must be on life support. The back talk forum members are writing their good byes and the tech and swap boards are gone. Nice of the Horse mgt. to keep their customers in the loop. They took money and haven't been forthright.

[TravelingBone]

The Horse must be on life support. The back talk forum members are writing their good byes and the tech and swap boards are gone. Nice of the Horse mgt. to keep their customers in the loop. They took money and haven't been forthright.

That sucks. I'm no lawyer ( even though I pretend to be one on the internet ), but I'd think what those folks did is borderline mail fraud.

I guess I'll start collecting old mags from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Too much of the newer stuff has a fashion conscious vibe that rings false to me. I much prefer the "I-locked-myself-in-the-garage-with-a-case-of-beer-and-this-is-what-I-built" genre.

[Dougtheinternetannoyance123]

The Horse must be on life support. The back talk forum members are writing their good byes and the tech and swap boards are gone. Nice of the Horse mgt. to keep their customers in the loop. They took money and haven't been forthright.

I just went to their page, and I can get the swap meet page to open and its active (Somewhat) but none of the other pages exist Trolled around and back issues are marked SALE and marked down to $2.50 per issue is that normal? I also checked some of the webpages as well and in used bike marketplace Hammer is selling his Indian for $30,000 does he need the money or just time for a change? I thought he was rather fond of it. (But I have not read every issue)

I did not try and sign up for a subscription because of all the negative reports but there is a link to locate magazines at partner retailers near you. I followed it to that webpage (Pretty cool idea really) But all the stores near me in a 30 mile area I have checked most of those stores and none have them in stock. (I checked over the last few days personally) despite the website says they are stocked at those locations

See: http://magfinder.magnetdata.net/maga...rs?display=map

BTW, There used to be a UK magazine called "Back Street heroes" and it was very cool, I have some issues from the 1980s thru early 2000? (About 7 copies total) that I picked up at swap meets years back.
I always wondered about the Change from "Iron Horse" to "The Horse Back street choppers". In all the issues I have read I never heard a explanation for the modification of the name from the OG Iron Horse despite many articles talking about the struggles to stay in business and some of the issues they had.

Is the current magazine partnered with the UK Magazine Back Street Heroes? Are they connected at all? This WOULD have been a good topic for the backtalk forum but I cant access it anymore.

[KevinN]

The name "The Horse" was due to the name "Iron Horse" and intellectual property with that name was owned by somebody else and not for sale at the time hammer fired up with the new magazine. Not sure I would be buying anything from their web store. Their lack of communication with their customers is evidence something is up. The internet has changed the print magazine world. Has to be a tough business to sustain.

[RickG61]

I also checked some of the webpages as well and in used bike marketplace Hammer is selling his Indian for $30,000 does he need the money or just time for a change? I thought he was rather fond of it. (But I have not read every issue)

I think I saw a facebook page a couple of weeks ago that showed him and the new owners standing around that Indian. So I believe its been sold for a short while now. But yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Why the sell off?


They sent me an e-mail saying I was owed a refund for my never received subscription, but I've yet to see a check in my mailbox.

[DoubleDeviate]

Sure looks like it's done. Sad, really. I was on there from the beginning, pretty much. Made some good friends through the forum, both online and in person. I think it sucks that no one from the magazine is saying anything, but I'm sure that's on the advice of their lawyers. I'll be posting here from time to time once I figure how to post pictures.
DD

[7and7is]

Well, they should refund their paying customers the remaining of their balance, even if they have to take out a loan, otherwise, how do you show you face at an event with out getting ridiculed, surely they are not getting out of the bike business all together, come on horse staff chime in, give us something, sob story, what ever, maybe we'll forgive.

[Hoghead]

#41 August 1984
#54 October 1985
#70 November or December 1987
#76 July or August 1988
#135 August 1995 ( which I had but loaned out , never to be seen again.).

Also issue #71 , which I have but is pretty ratty.
They did not publish every month that's why #70&76 could be either .

Sorry-i've checked and don't have these.