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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomBuggy View Post
    Well it is official, Trump has denigrated the U.S. judicial system to the equivalent of a banana republic. Granting Stone clemency after he was convicted of three major crimes, NOT by bleeding heart liberals, but by a jury of his peers is the final straw.

    To arms, to arms, my good people, the republic has fallen.

    Well at least till after November cause there is no way in hell butt clown gets another term.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flatman View Post
    Its good to be king until they storm the castle!
    'Better to rely on the love of the people, than the strength of your castle walls'
    Niccolo Machiavelli , 'The Prince'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbqbiker View Post
    If I have to explain, you couldn't understand. And that is OK, the rest of us will protect you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomBuggy View Post
    If I have to explain, you couldn't understand. And that is OK, the rest of us will protect you.
    Weird, that's exactly what the government says.

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    No explanation needed... Anybody with an IQ higher than a cabbage knows that he was targeted because cuntface brutally lost her rightful place in the White House to Donald Trump end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbqbiker View Post
    No explanation needed... Anybody with an IQ higher than a cabbage knows that he was targeted because cuntface brutally lost her rightful place in the White House to Donald Trump end of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbqbiker View Post
    No explanation needed... Anybody with an IQ higher than a cabbage knows that he was targeted because cuntface brutally lost her rightful place in the White House to Donald Trump end of story.
    Regardless who "targeted him" he did the crime and was convicted by a jury. If the feds bust in your door by mistake and find a dead body, your it. Trump pardoned him cause he threatened to spill the dirt if he didn't. What a load of shit.

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    Roger Stone has always been a nobody. He's unimportant, but he always wanted to be a player. He has Richard Nixon's head tattooed on his back. It's like THAT. He's a wannabe.

    The history of Presidential pardons and commutations is a long, sordid thing.. In that context Stone isn't even particularly controversial.

    I personally think Trump should pardon Assange and Snowden, too. The latter is a whistle blower, for crying out loud. I dunno why they keep treating the guy like Enemy #1.

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    Offended by Trumps pardon of Stone? ....then put up Hilary, Biden Obama, Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and the lot for the same "process" crimes.....fair is fair.

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    Has anyone ever thought that all this "my team is better than your team" stuff is just causing more problems?

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    That's the nature of a 2 party system...if the quarreling isn't public, you can bet it's behind closed doors.

    Kinda makes ya wonder why a popular 3rd party doesn't arise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetch View Post
    That's the nature of a 2 party system...if the quarreling isn't public, you can bet it's behind closed doors.

    Kinda makes ya wonder why a popular 3rd party doesn't arise
    Makes me wonder why anyone thinks a party system can work at all
    Why not just have people with intelligence and ideas and no political affiliations

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomBuggy View Post
    Regardless who "targeted him" he did the crime and was convicted by a jury. If the feds bust in your door by mistake and find a dead body, your it. Trump pardoned him cause he threatened to spill the dirt if he didn't. What a load of shit.
    What crime?? The investigation was a ...HOAX..remember??? ANYONE that was caught in a process "crime" while trying to find the non existent "Russian collision" should be pardoned...(and they will be) what a colossal waste of time and $$ trying to cover for cuntface blowing the election....and the democunts are still at it...so sad...


    Here's our boy Roger mocking Mueller...and he says LIBTARDS ha ha ha ha ha


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    Love it!.......Libtards....ada boy Roger.

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    It seems 2020 was the year that the political right fell into a weird love affair with Sweden. This “high-tax, welfare-loving country” with a universal healthcare system took a unique, “hands-off” approach against the novel coronavirus, much to the delight of Libertarians and anti-vaxxers eager to sow distrust of governmental actions on Facebook. Even traditional “conservatives” such as Newt Gingrich and Tucker Carlson reflexively jumped at any chance to capitalize on the public’s discomfort with social distancing and inconvenient business lockdowns imposed in this country.

    The Swedish model, as it became known, eschewed business closures and relied entirely on the personal responsibility of Swedish citizens to demonstrate appropriate risk-avoidant behavior during the pandemic. Essentially, in Sweden, large public gatherings were banned—but bars, restaurants, shops and many schools remained open, with no specific guidelines regarding social distancing, beyond voluntary “common sense” measures. So the protocol in Sweden was, in practice, not particularly different from those being put into place by Republican governors in states which relied on their citizens’ “good judgment,” rather than mandatory face mask orders and of the shutdown of certain businesses.

    And for about two months, into late April, the rest of the world could still gaze with wonder at the carefree Swedes who had inexplicably beaten the virus through their own volition, without any irksome mandatory orders or restrictions. Though harshly criticized by many scientists and medical professionals within Sweden itself, the methodology chosen by Stockholm found some very visible champions. Folks like Anders Tegnell, that country’s chief epidemiologist, declared rather presumptuously at that time that “Many countries are starting to come around to the Swedish way.” In the same interview, Tegnell candidly disavowed any knowledge in the economic consequences of Sweden’s efforts.

    Sweden’s champions in this country drew heavily from the Libertarian right, including Republican Senator Rand Paul who always seemed to include a favorable reference to Sweden in his scripted exchanges with Dr. Anthony Fauci. One would generally expect a snooty ignoramus like Paul to make an idiot of himself every time he opens his mouth, but in this particular circumstance he was hardly alone. Indeed, for a brief moment the Swedes seemed the victorious heroes in the global war against COVID-19.

    Unfortunately, that is no longer the “enlightened consensus.” As reported by Peter Goodman for The New York Times, not only does Sweden now have a fatality rate six to 12 times higher than its Nordic neighbors Denmark, Finland, and Norway (all of which imposed mandatory lockdowns and enforced quarantines), it has virtually nothing to show for these sacrifices from an economic standpoint.

    This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

    “They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

    As far as comparisons with the U.S., which at least managed to establish mandated lockdowns in Democrat-led states for significant time periods, the per capita Swedish death rate is now 40% higher than even the U.S.’s horrendous figures.

    Sweden’s ICU capacity was stressed, but never overwhelmed, a fact that also figured heavily in the early praise heaped upon the country’s unique approach. However, as noted by Eric Mack, writing for Forbes, a recent study of the Swedish “experiment” suggests a rather disquieting reason for that. It seems that once patients arrived at a hospital in Sweden and diagnosed with COVID-19, that prognosis—together with the patient’s age—was factored into whether they’d be “allowed” an ICU admission at all. In other words, it appears that doctors were letting older COVID-19 patients simply die, without admitting them for ICU treatment, so as to not overstrain their hospital capacities.

    As Goodman’s Times article points out, Sweden’s experience is relevant to what is now happening in the U.S., where Donald Trump and his Republican collaborators have constantly framed the issue as one of “economy versus safety,” urging states to reopen their businesses as much and as soon as possible. Sweden tried that—the result was that people still voluntarily chose to stay away from businesses for their own safety, they still chose not to dine out at the Swedish equivalent of Applebee’s or Olive Garden, and they still chose not to patronize shopping malls and stores unless it was necessary.

    The result was predictable. In addition to experiencing an abnormally high death rate, the Swedish economy is now no better off than any of its neighbors.

    The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

    Part of the reason, Goodman explains, is human nature: The human will to survive is greater than their will to shop. And Sweden’s economy, just like the American economy, is intertwined with those of other countries in the region (even though, as The Times points out, Swedes and other Scandinavians can actually afford to spend more money than Americans can during this pandemic, since they are secure in the knowledge that health care will be provided). Another factor dragging Sweden down, Goodman notes, was the unwillingness of its leaders to change course once it became apparent that the economy was not going to suddenly bounce back. As an example, Norway’s economy is expected to revert to normality far more rapidly; Norway locked down drastically, contained the virus with quarantining and testing, and is now re-opening rapidly.

    In short, Sweden’s great “experiment” didn’t work at all. In fact, it backfired. And it appears that those in the U.S. who are trying to portray reopening as some kind of necessary “economic trade-off,” with human lives as the bargaining chips, are leading us to a similar fate.

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    Sweden's approach is interesting.. Bloomberg has two articles about it that are noteworthy.


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    Sweden’s Economy Grew Last Quarter, Adding to Covid-19 Debate
    By Rafaela Lindeberg
    May 29, 2020, 4:10 AM EDT Updated on May 29, 2020, 5:06 AM EDT

    Sweden’s economy grew in the first quarter as many other countries sank into a deep recession, adding to a debate on how best to tackle the spread of Covid-19.

    Sweden has opted for a softer lockdown, but its approach has resulted in a higher death rate than in many other countries. What’s more, Sweden’s government recently acknowledged that for all of 2020, the economy is likely to suffer its worst decline since World War II.

    The GDP data published on Friday, which show a 0.1% expansion from the fourth quarter, provide “yet another sign that less strict containment measures eased the initial blow to the economy from the pandemic,” Bloomberg economist Johanna Jeansson said.

    But, there’s little chance that “Sweden will escape a recession in 2020,” even though “it is set to be smaller than elsewhere.”

    As of Thursday, Sweden had registered 4,266 deaths related to Covid-19. Though the virus has at no point overwhelmed the country’s health system, the high mortality rate has forced Swedish authorities to defend their approach to the pandemic.

    According to Johns Hopkins University data, Sweden has had 41 deaths per 100,000. That compares with 31 in the U.S. and 10 in neighboring Denmark.

    Swedish shops, schools, gyms and restaurants have all remained open throughout the crisis. Instead, the government has encouraged citizens to observe social distancing rules.

    The country’s top epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, argues that the Swedish model is designed to cope with a long-term health crisis. Strict lockdowns aren’t sustainable when tackling a virus that may be around for years, he says.

    But the policy appears to be costing more lives here and now. It’s also raised concerns in other European Union countries as they start opening borders. Cyprus recently made clear it doesn’t want Swedish residents entering the island. Sweden’s Nordic neighbors have also voiced concerns.


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    Swedish Covid Infections Drop After Steady Distancing Patterns
    By Veronica Ek
    July 7, 2020, 10:14 AM EDT

    The rate of Covid-19 infections is declining in Sweden, which health authorities said is thanks to citizens voluntarily adhering to social distancing guidelines.

    Johan Carlson, the director general of Sweden’s public health agency, said the latest official data show that overall contagion rates are “trending down” and the “number of patients in intensive care is also declining.”

    Speaking at a briefing in Stockholm on Tuesday, Carlson said that the decline in infection rates “is an effect of us keeping up the social distancing.”

    The development follows months of controversy over Sweden’s decision to avoid a proper lockdown, and instead rely on its citizens to follow distancing guidelines. But the country’s mortality rate remains well above levels in the rest of Scandinavia, with more than 10 times as many Covid-19 deaths as in neighboring Norway, per 100,000.

    Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist, has maintained that his strategy will prove more sustainable in the long run than the sudden lockdowns and reopenings adopted elsewhere. That’s as some places, such as Beijing, that had appeared to bring the virus under control recently saw fresh outbreaks.

    “Part of the reason for Sweden’s less stringent approach was the view that restrictions would need to be in place for some time, and there were doubts about whether society would be compliant with stricter measures over a long period,” said Johanna Jeansson of Bloomberg Economics.
    Immunity

    Sweden’s overall response to the virus has potentially left more people exposed to it, raising questions about herd immunity. But the data have so far been mixed. In a study published in June, the Public Health Agency found that antibodies were only found in 6.1% of the samples collected nationwide in the week ending May 24.

    An earlier analysis of 50,000 tests by Werlabs AB, a private company, showed that about 14% of people tested over six weeks in the Stockholm region developed Covid-19 antibodies.

    Carlson said that “immunity could definitely be playing a part in areas where we’ve had contagion, and that might impact the overall result.”

    Ironically, basic social distancing requirements in Sweden are now stricter than in many other countries. That’s because places like Denmark and Norway have rolled back the severe lockdowns they imposed early on to fight Covid-19.

    The stringency of Swedish requirements according to the Oxford Covid-19 Government Response Tracker shows the country now places greater restrictions on movement than Norway and Finland.

    “Sweden’s approach has been widely misrepresented as doing nothing. It’s not,” said William Hanage, associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard’s School of Public Health in Boston. Though the death rate, especially among the elderly in nursing homes, has been very high, ultimately, “Sweden’s approach may be sustainable in ways other countries’ have not proven to be,” he said.

    Jeansson of Bloomberg Economics says Swedes aren’t likely to return to normal life any time soon, amid concerns over the virus.

    “Restrictions are likely to keep a lid on demand in Sweden through at least the third quarter,” she said. “After that, we still expect social distancing will hamper activity, probably until there’s a vaccine.”


    If they're right and this is problem to be dealt with over the long term, it will be interesting to see how their approach measures up. In their view, other countries are simply putting off the day of reckoning while Sweden has chosen to rip the proverbial Band Aid off and get it over with.

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    If trump gets voted out just watch how fast the right starts crying about everything being done by the book. You cant do this, you cant do that and why arent you doing something about the budget? Just wait its coming. The hypocrisy is gonna be off the charts!!

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    Stand tall ? .....how about "Never Forget"

    What state I'm in?
    Who's my wife?
    The day of the week?
    I'm running for President not the Senate!
    When I was VP...nope, not 1976 Joe!
    Forget the Word "Equal" in the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence
    That Super Tuesday was on Tuesday !!

    Ya can't make this shit up:
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...affes-n2567624
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    Kinda like Trump doesnt even know which Saban he is endorsing? Look the kettle is black! You are right you cant make this shit up.

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