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    The problems there are myriad..

    Bureaucrats defied Trump frequently.. If he wanted Rudy to be his emissary, he's completely within his rights to do so. The Constitution doesn't mention the state department, official channels or ambassadors. But it does say he's the President.

    The real aid wasn't withheld. "Javelins" are what Ukraine really needed and Trump had provided them previously. Thus the reference to "we're ready to buy more Javelins" in the phone transcript. Trump suspended aid to several countries at the same time. He wants our allies to kick in a little and he ran on this. It is well known that Trump doesn't like foreign aid. It is worthy of note that Trump provided lethal aid to Ukraine when Obama did not, even when they were invaded.

    But, worst case.. Even if you assume Trump did everything he is accused of? Joe Biden is corrupt and he doesn't get a pass on his corruption because he decides to run for President. I just don't see a crime here. I see foreign policy.

    Tellingly, in the transcript, from the mention of Javelins to "do me a favor" you have to skip paragraphs.. What is in those paragraphs is seldom reported - Crowd Strike and Hillary's Server. He wanted to know more about them and that is his right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    The problems there are myriad..

    Bureaucrats defied Trump frequently.. If he wanted Rudy to be his emissary, he's completely within his rights to do so. The Constitution doesn't mention the state department, official channels or ambassadors. But it does say he's the President.

    The real aid wasn't withheld. "Javelins" are what Ukraine really needed and Trump had provided them previously. Thus the reference to "we're ready to buy more Javelins" in the phone transcript. Trump suspended aid to several countries at the same time. He wants our allies to kick in a little and he ran on this. It is well known that Trump doesn't like foreign aid. It is worthy of note that Trump provided lethal aid to Ukraine when Obama did not, even when they were invaded.

    But, worst case.. Even if you assume Trump did everything he is accused of? Joe Biden is corrupt and he doesn't get a pass on his corruption because he decides to run for President. I just don't see a crime here. I see foreign policy.

    Tellingly, in the transcript, from the mention of Javelins to "do me a favor" you have to skip paragraphs.. What is in those paragraphs is seldom reported - Crowd Strike and Hillary's Server. He wanted to know more about them and that is his right.
    So the email trail of the people in the White House communicating about how it was illegal is just BS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    The problems there are myriad..

    Bureaucrats defied Trump frequently.. If he wanted Rudy to be his emissary, he's completely within his rights to do so. The Constitution doesn't mention the state department, official channels or ambassadors. But it does say he's the President.

    The real aid wasn't withheld. "Javelins" are what Ukraine really needed and Trump had provided them previously. Thus the reference to "we're ready to buy more Javelins" in the phone transcript. Trump suspended aid to several countries at the same time. He wants our allies to kick in a little and he ran on this. It is well known that Trump doesn't like foreign aid. It is worthy of note that Trump provided lethal aid to Ukraine when Obama did not, even when they were invaded.

    But, worst case.. Even if you assume Trump did everything he is accused of? Joe Biden is corrupt and he doesn't get a pass on his corruption because he decides to run for President. I just don't see a crime here. I see foreign policy.

    Tellingly, in the transcript, from the mention of Javelins to "do me a favor" you have to skip paragraphs.. What is in those paragraphs is seldom reported - Crowd Strike and Hillary's Server. He wanted to know more about them and that is his right.
    I think y'all need to get over Hillary's emails. Nothing came off it. They are pist because they invested so much in it and nothing happened. It's like a guy buying a new sports car and then complaining it never got him laid.
    The last I knew Biden wasnt the president or the one extorting a foreign Gov to assist him in an election.
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    Email trails don't mean much.. Trump first withheld AID in 2017, before Biden even thought about running. He does this a lot. He wants our allies to chip in. He ran on it.

    Hillary had a private server so she could cash in on the SOS position. If those emails or the server are ever found, it will be embarrassing for her.

    I don't think much else will come of it because she has an unprecedented level of access in DC. She knows too much to ever be charged with a crime.

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    When was the last time you "bleached" your hard drive, or crushed your blackberry? Yup, pretty standard stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalheart28 View Post
    The last I knew Biden wasnt the president or the one extorting a foreign Gov to assist him in an election.
    PS: He was extorting a foreign government as Vice President for personal gain. He even bragged about it on camera before the CFR.

    He also got a billion and a half dollars for his totally unqualified son from China. The money was then used to purchase dual use military technology for the PRC.

    Biden is corrupt. There's no plausible argument that he isn't. Since democrats don't care about that, I wouldn't expect Republicans to be very concerned about an innocuous phone call by Trump, either.

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    I never said biden gets a pass. We can condemn them all. Hes out of touch and I dont think I would vote for him. I dont for a second believe that trump is just digging in to get rid of corruption, its bullshit. People voted for trump saying oh hes not a politician and he gonna do things different but yet he jumps right in and is doing the slimy shit politicians do and y'all are supporting him and the very stuff you were supposedly voting against and all of a sudden it's ok? Its fucking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetch View Post
    No, they are all liars. But Trump represents: Less gvt. regulation, economic growth, border security, pro life &1st & 2nd amendment protection....as opposed to what....Democratic Socialism? Gotta time share in Venezuela if you're interested?
    I can agree with you on some of this but I think the only reason he wants less gov regulation is so corporations can line his pockets to rollback regulation so they can exploit the environment for profit. Some things need to be protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalheart28 View Post
    but yet he jumps right in and is doing the slimy shit politicians do and y'all are supporting him and the very stuff you were supposedly voting against and all of a sudden it's ok? Its fucking ridiculous.
    On the merits, I don't see him doing a thing wrong.. Again - He gave them the aid they needed. Anti-tank weapons. He held up aid for many countries, and first held up aid for Ukraine in 2017.

    I don't see the relationship here. The aid was released. It was paltry. They already got the anti-tank weapons needed to push the Russians back. Trump was the first to provide that, btw. He did it without preconditions.

    IMO this is a nothingburger.. It is like the "Russian Collusion" fiasco. Sinister sounding allegations. Proof is supposed to be days away. And then? There's just nothing to it. There simply isn't a "there" there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetch View Post
    No, they are all liars. But Trump represents: Less gvt. regulation, economic growth, border security, pro life &1st & 2nd amendment protection....as opposed to what....Democratic Socialism? Gotta time share in Venezuela if you're interested?
    He does not support the first amendment. Hes been crying about SNL making fun of him and how they should not be able to do it and there should consequences. He violated the oath right there!
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    .... Eeeeeeeyup ....



    Give that Girl a Gold Star for the day ... !!

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    Really....you agree and promote such disrespect? I'm embarrassed for a society which raised....or failed to raise this child.

    Spoiled Brat!

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    This Should Happen More


    Every time Bone Spurs makes a public appearance, something like this should happen. Someone should yell “fuck you!” at him and his subordinates, like this hero did in the Capitol building. He shouldn’t be able to walk into a restaurant, or play golf, or stockpile 2-liters of Diet Coke at Costco, or whatever the hell else he does without being constantly being harassed. He should feel bad all of the time.

    He is an awful human being who is doing awful things to other human beings, all the while refusing to take responsibility for it, and if the only consequence he suffers as a result of these decisions is constant public scorn, it’d be a criminally light punishment. So go ahead: exercise your First Amendment rights and tell the President to fuck off.
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    He seems to have rubbed off then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetch View Post
    I'm embarrassed for a society which raised....or failed to raise this child.
    That is kinda where I'm at, too. Speaking as someone who has voted for democrats in the past, I don't even recognize them now.

    They're so angry and hateful. They hate everything. They hate me, and they made it clear with "deplorables" They hate white people. They hate God. They hate the country, from Christopher Columbus right on down the line. Their mindset is a revolutionary one. They hate the greatest culture and society in the history of the world.

    They want a totalitarian government that grabs guns, polices pronouns and, frankly, would even make Harley's obsolete with their "Green New Deal" (Which violates the laws of physics, but they don't seem to care?)

    I don't recognize any of this, or them.. And I can't see myself voting democrat ever again.

    No way.. They've just completely lost it.

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    Kids act much like their parents, real nice. .

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    Just read Booker's Super Pac is shutting down after only raising a million dollars..

    This is surprising to me. I figured being black was worth 5 or 10 points off the top. And surely, being black and female would boost Kamala, right? Not happening.

    The front runners are Biden, Warren, Sanders and Mayor Pete.. All white.

    It would appear whatever special appeal Obama had for the dems was about much more than just race.

    He was a technocrat with an ivy league credential, but little else. His formula for success seems to be personal and non-transferable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    That is kinda where I'm at, too. Speaking as someone who has voted for democrats in the past, I don't even recognize them now.

    They're so angry and hateful. They hate everything. They hate me, and they made it clear with "deplorables" They hate white people. They hate God. They hate the country, from Christopher Columbus right on down the line. Their mindset is a revolutionary one. They hate the greatest culture and society in the history of the world.

    They want a totalitarian government that grabs guns, polices pronouns and, frankly, would even make Harley's obsolete with their "Green New Deal" (Which violates the laws of physics, but they don't seem to care?)

    I don't recognize any of this, or them.. And I can't see myself voting democrat ever again.

    No way.. They've just completely lost it.
    This right here. It's not that the Republicans are great it's that the Democrats are virtually unrecognizable as to the party they used to be. I wont say I'll never vote Democrat again but certainly not until they get their own party straightened out. A socialist train wreck with no alignment to traditional American concepts of being strong and Independent as an Individual and countryman. They push dependency at the cost of sitting at the Goverments feet for the crumbs they'll dish out.

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