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I take issue with the idea that illegals only pick crops or "take jobs Americans" don't want. Wages in logistics (warehouses in particular) are not only stagnant, but have declined greatly when adjusted for inflation over the last couple of decades. Same thing in construction. A lot of dudes on this forum work in both those industries and have been directly affected by illegal immigrants. Every tax payer has been robbed to pay benefits to those that do not qualify, but states in their PC idiocy refuse to question the legal status of those applying for benefits. I'm not against immigration, it needs to be legal. My family emigrated here a very long time ago (mid 1700's) my wife's family came in 1957. We don't need minimum wage unskilled labor, we have welfare roles filled with them. We need highly skilled immigrants that will contribute to more than the population and the welfare office's workload.
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Remember a country being fucked up doesn't necessarily affect everyone in it, and the US is so huge that not even the Great Depression wiped out everyone.
Just cover your own ass and laugh at the show. Current times are not even close to how bad megamedia (which only exist to elect politicians by frightening the gullible) portray them.
Take Ferguson. The US has over 300 million people. If everyone in that town died today (all races) it would not functionally matter. Anthills can afford to lose ants.Comment
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Exactly Grantman, if the supply of a commodity increases it will experience a corresponding reduction in value. The last two generations have seen a reduction in "real" wages among the lower and middle classes and an increase in unemployment. The entry of large numbers of women into the workforce creating a doubling of the labor supply was followed by an increased tolerance of illegal immigration further increasing the labor supply. While these are hardly the only factor at work they are substantial contributors to the reduction in the value of labor. With the application of a little cognitive horsepower it is not difficult to forsee the state of society that these events are going to lead to. Many people can sense that something unpleasant is approaching even if they can not clearly see what it is.Comment
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With the gradual death of manufacturing and eventually of most work some form of "socialism" will become functionally necessary to buy political peace. Calvinist bullshit was fine for John Calvin but he's very fucking dead.
Teaching people they are morally obliged not to eat their masters is of course a lie, but one we all pretend to buy into so long as master gives us some hope for prosperity. When they fuck up and hoard everything then people eventually storm the Bastille and lop off heads. There is no reason not to kill people who screw you over if they leave you no logical alternative so it is the masters social duty to care for the peasantry.Comment
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Good points Farmall. One of the short sighted blunders of the elites was to encourage secularism and discourage religion. Irregardless of my personal opinion of religion I have to agree with Napoleon who loosely translated said "the purpose of religion is to keep the poor from murdering the rich". Now that America is a post christian society the elites in order to keep there heads attached and continue to exploit will find it necessary to pay out increasingly larger sums to keep social, economical and political friction from erupting into revolution. Other short sighted blunders result in a shrinking pool of wealth producers (workers) and a growing pool of wealth takers (parasites). This is an unsustainable situation. Not hard to see how it will end because history has provided us with countless examples of variations on this theme.Comment
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BTW semi-skilled and unskilled jobs are what you do while working toward an actual career doing something else. Construction was always a bucket-of-crabs field vulnerable to housing swings (and inevitable Recessions since housing is driven by economic bubbles) and if you are working in a warehouse for any length of time that's a warning to compete for something with a future.
Warehouse labor is vulnerable to robotic replacement. The future is lights-out manufacturing and lights-out logistics with the pieces now falling into place. Note the humans in the video below are only useful because current robotic vision and package manipulation is not quite up to meat worker levels so the robots are tasked where their mature technologies are most effective:
Since this is a gearhead community I suggest learning everything you can about technology, NOT just a stovepiped vulnerable specialty. (For example it will remain difficult to find good industrial maintenance techs because that requires a gearhead outlook and multiple skills and because experience is key noobs can't easily catch you once you begin.)
If your hobbies and career are all about technology you can lead a skilled life, smash your overhead costs for everything from housing on down and be less vulnerable to loss of a particular job.Comment
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Even with all the robotic advances, humans are still required for many different jobs. I applied for a supervisor position at a major chain stores distribution center and was offered a position on the condition I could pass the Spanish Language Comprehension Test. Why the fuck should I have to read write and speak Spanish for a job in the United States? So I could explain the benefits to new employees that do not speak English. It's Southern California and "undocumented" just means they haven't got a paycheck to buy fake docs yet. I didn't get the job. 20 years experience in Logistics covering every aspect of a warehouse from hand unloading loose freight (robots don't do that yet either) all the way up to General Manager of a distribution center, where I was let go because they needed someone "bilingual" as the work force became more and more Hispanic. Those who have not worked in a warehouse more than as a summer job or so do not understand how many jobs cannot be done except by human hands. Loading a UPS belly trailer will probably not be done by robots in my lifetime. Just because a job may be eventually done by a robot is no reason to just give up and have illegals do hard work for minimum (or sub-minimum) wage. If companies were shut down for hiring illegals and the minimum wage laws were repealed, warehouse jobs would probably pay a lot more. Many people would not do the work for anything near the current minimum wage. Same thing with concrete work, masonry, painting, framing, or just about any construction job. Think about it. If there were no laws regarding what you had to pay for labor would anyone do concrete work for $1 an hour? Fuck no, that's hard work. The free market would eventually set the rate for different jobs. Would any place pay $15 an hour to flip burgers? Nope, too easy to hire someone else for $5 an hour. Minimum wage just creates a false floor for the price on labor. Allowing illegals into the workforce upsets the supply side of the supply and demand for labor. Both thing the government has tried to control for their own purposes and have totally screwed native born Americans.BTW semi-skilled and unskilled jobs are what you do while working toward an actual career doing something else. Construction was always a bucket-of-crabs field vulnerable to housing swings (and inevitable Recessions since housing is driven by economic bubbles) and if you are working in a warehouse for any length of time that's a warning to compete for something with a future.
Warehouse labor is vulnerable to robotic replacement. The future is lights-out manufacturing and lights-out logistics with the pieces now falling into place. Note the humans in the video below are only useful because current robotic vision and package manipulation is not quite up to meat worker levels so the robots are tasked where their mature technologies are most effective:
Since this is a gearhead community I suggest learning everything you can about technology, NOT just a stovepiped vulnerable specialty. (For example it will remain difficult to find good industrial maintenance techs because that requires a gearhead outlook and multiple skills and because experience is key noobs can't easily catch you once you begin.)
If your hobbies and career are all about technology you can lead a skilled life, smash your overhead costs for everything from housing on down and be less vulnerable to loss of a particular job.Comment
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Sounds good on paper but your obviously not living in the areas heavily affected by the issues at the forefront of this discussion...BTW semi-skilled and unskilled jobs are what you do while working toward an actual career doing something else. Construction was always a bucket-of-crabs field vulnerable to housing swings (and inevitable Recessions since housing is driven by economic bubbles) and if you are working in a warehouse for any length of time that's a warning to compete for something with a future.
Warehouse labor is vulnerable to robotic replacement. The future is lights-out manufacturing and lights-out logistics with the pieces now falling into place. Note the humans in the video below are only useful because current robotic vision and package manipulation is not quite up to meat worker levels so the robots are tasked where their mature technologies are most effective:
Since this is a gearhead community I suggest learning everything you can about technology, NOT just a stovepiped vulnerable specialty. (For example it will remain difficult to find good industrial maintenance techs because that requires a gearhead outlook and multiple skills and because experience is key noobs can't easily catch you once you begin.)
If your hobbies and career are all about technology you can lead a skilled life, smash your overhead costs for everything from housing on down and be less vulnerable to loss of a particular job.Comment
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