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    Default Am I just a hater? RE: hand shift w/ hand clutch.

    I try to like all motorcycles, especially ones that people modify themselves, but what makes me just instantly hate any motorcycle where the owner installs a hand shift, but still has a hand clutch. To me it just seems like such a fuckin' copout of having a "cool handshift bike" without any of the effort.

    Either the clutch lever on the shifter:



    Or (even worse in my opinion), the clutch on the bar and the shifter on the right side:



    I think the latter is just fucking gross because every shift you're moving your hand all over the fuckin' place. Nothing beats just cruising around and not even putting your left hand anywhere but the shifter. That XS would be pretty rad otherwise, but that configuration just tosses all credibility out the window.

    Do I need to lighten up?

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    I was done with that foot clutch/hand shift stuff 50 years ago. Once I rode with a hand clutch and foot shifter, I had no further use for it. I guess if anybody needs to have some pretend version of it just for the "cool factor", go for it. Matters not to me how anyone shifts. Now, do I need to lighten up?

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    It can have its place. There's a guy here in the city that has a setup like that because a cager ran into him last year which resulted in a fair bit of his leg getting amputated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humancertainty View Post
    It can have its place. There's a guy here in the city that has a setup like that because a cager ran into him last year which resulted in a fair bit of his leg getting amputated.
    Reasonable answer.

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    Easy solution to your concerns, look away. Or go up and vent your feelings to the builder/owner. your call stud muffin.
    Quote Originally Posted by xnewmanx View Post
    I try to like all motorcycles, especially ones that people modify themselves, but what makes me just instantly hate any motorcycle where the owner installs a hand shift, but still has a hand clutch. To me it just seems like such a fuckin' copout of having a "cool handshift bike" without any of the effort.

    Either the clutch lever on the shifter:



    Or (even worse in my opinion), the clutch on the bar and the shifter on the right side:



    I think the latter is just fucking gross because every shift you're moving your hand all over the fuckin' place. Nothing beats just cruising around and not even putting your left hand anywhere but the shifter. That XS would be pretty rad otherwise, but that configuration just tosses all credibility out the window.

    Do I need to lighten up?

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    yeah well , there are some more things personally i hate the flat rear fenders , they are for trailers not for motorcycles , and when people throw on a solo seat with springs on a bike with rear suspension and call the ugly fuck a custom

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    Like what you like, and don't like what you don't like, nothing wrong with that.

    I like the bikes I like, and I don't like the bikes I don't like, but what I don't do is hate on the bikes I don't like, or the people who own them. Nor do I feel the need to insult them, either to their faces, or behind their backs on the internet, regarding their personal taste, or their motives for making their bikes the way they do.

    No matter what YOU ride, chances are there are people out there who think it looks like a piece of shit, or that you're just trying to be cool, or that you're a hipster just following the latest trend. But there's no reason why you should care what other people think about your bike, just as there's no reason why anyone else should care what you think about their bike.

    If I don't like someones bike, I keep my opinions to myself. If someone doesn't like my bike, and feels the need to share their opinion with me about it, I ignore them, and/or give them a very impassive "Go fuck yourself". Either way, I couldn't care less if some total stranger/dick/asshole doesn't like my bike. Hell, if someone isn't my family or friend, I couldn't care less if they live or die, so I certainly don't care what they think about my bike, or anything else for that matter.

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    Nah you don't need to lighten up . A ratchet top w/ a jockey shift top is also a cop out. I just happened to be thinkin', about this tonight as I was hand jammin' down the road. Endless cop-out versions of the real thing. If I have to explain you wouldn't understand. I guess the post above about a handicapped is reasonable enough. problem is there are an awful amount of non-handicapped people riding as if they were. ...and ,by the way, xs's and the like ,will never be rad ,just another cop out bike w/a cop out reason to ride it as a chopper no matter what todays bike rags will try to make you believe.

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    The whole idea of having such a set up has been around for decades. Myself I believe its a little bulky looking on a slimmed down chop or bobber. And its a little user unfriendly, at least when you are in a tight spot, slow speeds and need to jockey around

    But its a kinda off the wall thing that some folks like: And thats what its about

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    I dont like the way they look, but I respect them as the most dangerous setup for sure. In an emergency, you have to take a hand off the bars and steer away from death single handed. Fuck that.

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    Anti-functional shifter/clutch combinations are dumb. If you are a cripple then it may make more sense than "not being able to use the motorcycle" but if ya ain't a cripple installing crippled SYSTEMS may be a dandy way to become one.

    Artsy types may forget just how vulnerable motorcyclists are on a good day. I insist on shit that works.

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    Stupid idea loved by OCC and hipasters.

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    I have to agree. An instant turn-off.

    I set mine up for a jockey shift foot clutch when my clutch cable snapped while leaving my street before a ride. Rode it that way until the new cable arrived. Absolutely hated it. Riding the twisties there was no way I could ride as hard as with the foot shift hand clutch.
    Got alot of street cred though! But riding is more fun than getting credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andri View Post
    I have to agree. An instant turn-off.

    I set mine up for a jockey shift foot clutch when my clutch cable snapped while leaving my street before a ride. Rode it that way until the new cable arrived. Absolutely hated it. Riding the twisties there was no way I could ride as hard as with the foot shift hand clutch.
    Got alot of street cred though! But riding is more fun than getting credit.
    I made a foot clutch and hand shifter for my sportster. i hate it. its hard to take off, and stop. rough roads at stop signs. lots of dirt roads and stuff around here.
    got some serious street cred though from my bros. maybe out somewhere where its flat and the roads arent a dirt pile might work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILBLACKSABRE View Post
    Like what you like, and don't like what you don't like, nothing wrong with that.

    I like the bikes I like, and I don't like the bikes I don't like, but what I don't do is hate on the bikes I don't like, or the people who own them. Nor do I feel the need to insult them, either to their faces, or behind their backs on the internet, regarding their personal taste, or their motives for making their bikes the way they do.

    No matter what YOU ride, chances are there are people out there who think it looks like a piece of shit, or that you're just trying to be cool, or that you're a hipster just following the latest trend. But there's no reason why you should care what other people think about your bike, just as there's no reason why anyone else should care what you think about their bike.

    If I don't like someones bike, I keep my opinions to myself. If someone doesn't like my bike, and feels the need to share their opinion with me about it, I ignore them, and/or give them a very impassive "Go fuck yourself". Either way, I couldn't care less if some total stranger/dick/asshole doesn't like my bike. Hell, if someone isn't my family or friend, I couldn't care less if they live or die, so I certainly don't care what they think about my bike, or anything else for that matter.
    Very well said sir.

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    yeah , hate is to strong , true , and respect guys who do everything themselves , i will neve say it to anybody`s face but if they ask i will tell them what i like and dont like , 100 guys 100 tastes ,

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    Yup you're just a hater! I have a lot of strong opinions about things like this but it stops after I refuse to build it or even help you build it! I'm still not going to like it when I see it but can keep my mouth shut. Me personally I ride suicide clutch jockey shift on a buell bobber and have very few issues but I would hate to try a hard take off or an emergency maneuver/stop with that setup I like to ride hard and will not give that up for anything!

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    my honda 600 was set up that way when i got it, but i took it off without even trying it. the guy i got it from lived on a hill and that wasn't the place i wanted to take my first shot at it. took it home on my truck and just ordered the parts i needed to put it back to right. if anyone else wants to do it, can't say i care one way or the other.


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    There were a million ways to poorly set up a set of cycle controls. I test ride lots of wacky chops and vintage bikes too. Some with ,gasp, manual advance. And they all suck but mine
    The trick is to set a bike up for your body ergonomics and to a suited purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rene53catalina View Post
    yeah well , there are some more things personally i hate the flat rear fenders , they are for trailers not for motorcycles , and when people throw on a solo seat with springs on a bike with rear suspension and call the ugly fuck a custom
    Oh God. Yeah. I see so many of those sprung seats on softails... drives me nuts. It's one thing when the bike is a monoshock, like a V Star, where you can have the softail ride, hardtail look... But when you have visible shocks, and springs... I cannot stand it. And unlike some people who are too PC to say anything, and feel it's all rainbows and sunshine, I fucking say something about it. If no one ever criticized anything, nothing would ever improve. If you think my bike is the shit or just shit, tell me. It's called an opinion, everyone has one, and people need to get some thicker skin.

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