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    Default Tech: Setting idle, choose a pilot, read plugs, Air or Fuel screw?

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    Set idle, Choose Pilot

    1) Warm up the engine to full operating temp. usually takes about 5 minutes or so depending on the weather.

    2) Turn up your idle a few hundred RPM using the throttle stop screw (basically you want a fast idle). This will make it easier to hear small changes in RPM. Watch for overheating--pointing a big shop fan at your engine will help it from getting too hot during the fast idling. The whole procedure shouldn't take too long though.

    Each time you change the screw setting 1/4 or 1/2 turn or so, wait about 5 seconds to let the idle speed normalize. It usually takes the carb(s) and engine a moment to react to the change.

    3) Turn the fuel screw(s) IN until the idle starts to drop and miss. The engine should die if you bottom out the screw. Your pilot jet is too big if it doesn't die when the screw(s) are bottomed out--it should die before it gets that far in.

    4) Then begin turning the fuel screw(s) OUT. The idle should peak and become smooth. Keep going and look for the idle to begin to drop/miss again.

    5) The goal is to find the setting that provides the highest and smoothest idle. If it's unclear exactly were that point is then set to the midpoint between step #3 and step #4. For example, if the idle starts to drop at 1 turn out and starts to drop at 2 1/2 turns in then 1 3/4 of a turn out should be the correct setting.

    If the peak/smoothest RPM is reached somewhere between 1-3 turns then your pilot jet is correct (the 1-3 turns applies to most carb types). If you end up less than 1 turn out then your pilot jet is too big and you need a smaller one. If you end up more than three turns out or the fuel screw seems to make little difference as you continue turning it out than you need to go up (bigger) on your pilot jet.

    To re-emphisize: If the idle never drops when you're turning the fuel screw in, you need a smaller pilot jet. If the idle never drops when you're turning the fuel screw out, you need a bigger pilot jet.

    Typical fuel screw settings are in the 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 range.

    6) Once you've got the fuel screw set, re-adjust your throttle stop screw (idle screw) to an appropriate idle speed.

    And that's it! Your pilot circuit is now VERY close to ideal. From here you can experiment with how small adjustments affect low-end (i.e. small throttle openings) response and make adjustments for weather. The hardest part is usually gaining access to the screw while the engine is running. Also, you may really have to listen carefully to detect the rpm changes in the idle. 100 or 200 rpm differences can be tough to detect when the change happens over several seconds.

    And lastly, a little bit about the difference between fuel screws and air screws:

    Two stoke carbs normally have air screws and four stroke carbs normally have fuel screws. You can tell if a carb has an air screw or a fuel screw by it's location on the carb. An air screw will be on the intake side of the carb while a fuel screw will be on the engine side of the carb.

    They sort of work opposite one another. An air screw adjusts how much air is being delivered through the pilot circuit: in is rich (less air) and out is lean (more air). A fuel screw adjusts how much fuel (or air/fuel mixture) is being delivered from the pilot circuit. In is lean (less fuel) and out is rich (more fuel).
    Last edited by Jetblack; 06-06-2013 at 4:19 AM.

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    "An air screw will be on the intake side of the carb while a fuel screw will be on the engine side of the carb. ..... A fuel screw adjusts how much fuel (or air/fuel mixture) is being delivered from the pilot circuit. In is lean (less fuel) and out is rich (more fuel)"

    while that's true on many carbs, it's opposite on Amal carburetors......the screw is on the engine side and in is rich, out is lean.
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    These are nice to have especially if your exhaust is near the carb.
    http://www.cv-performance.com/ez-just-mixture-screw/

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    Great writeup, very helpful.
    Right on Jetblack!!!
    Last edited by dooder; 05-30-2013 at 9:41 PM.

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    Great write up. I'd like to add that this is ballparking for your slow jet. You're gonna need to ride around some on the slow jet and adjust accordingly. Slow jet handles sometimes up to half throttle, so it can be pretty important to get right. If you change your s/j, repeat this procedure.

    also, be sure your motor and ignition are completely dialed in first. Jetting should always be dead last.

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    Air screw vs. Fuel screw...

    If the mixture adjustment screw is on the air filter side, of the main needle jet... then it's an AIR screw; found in this position on carbs, it controls the amount of air being mixed. Screwing it out leans(adds more air to) the mixture. Screwing it in will enrich(add more fuel to) the mixture.

    If the mixture adjustment screw is on the Intake side, of the main needle jet... then it's a FUEL screw and controls the amount of fuel in the mixture. Screwing it out will enrich(add more fuel to) the mixture. Screwing it in will lean it(add more air to) the mixture.

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