I’m stumped, tried setting the points like 20 times still can’t get the bike to fire after like 20 kicks.. now my breather from my oil pump is leaking oil out of it?
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If you are interested, I can walk you through all the steps to handle the ignition on this thing, but it's a lot of typing (on a little phone screen in my case). So, you need to be willing to do it, and that means ALL the steps. If you are interested, I'll have some time this evening to devote to it.
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Jim has a write up for timing cone shovels and iron heads if you haven't seen it, it is here:
I just wrote this up, in answer to a PM, and I thought I would post it here. Probably been done a hundred times, so here is #101: If you have the original points, then you can static time the motor, and as a final check you can use a strobe timing light if you wish. First step is to remove the point plate, and then remove
Hope this helps and maybe saves Jim some typing on his phone.
I used these instructions when I converted my early evo to a points ignition so the kick start would work.Last edited by drivermark; 06-25-2022, 5:53 PM.Comment
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Jim has a write up for timing cone shovels and iron heads if you haven't seen it, it is here:
I just wrote this up, in answer to a PM, and I thought I would post it here. Probably been done a hundred times, so here is #101: If you have the original points, then you can static time the motor, and as a final check you can use a strobe timing light if you wish. First step is to remove the point plate, and then remove
Hope this helps and maybe saves Jim some typing on his phone.
I used these instructions when I converted my early evo to a points ignition so the kick start would work.
JimComment
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Jim has a write up for timing cone shovels and iron heads if you haven't seen it, it is here:
I just wrote this up, in answer to a PM, and I thought I would post it here. Probably been done a hundred times, so here is #101: If you have the original points, then you can static time the motor, and as a final check you can use a strobe timing light if you wish. First step is to remove the point plate, and then remove
Hope this helps and maybe saves Jim some typing on his phone.
I used these instructions when I converted my early evo to a points ignition so the kick start would work.Comment
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So Where I’m kind of lost is after I have everything lined up for TDC and I move back to the points, am I turning the points plate counterclockwise all the way and THEN trying to turn the cam lobe counter clockwise aswell?? This is how I have been trying to time the motor. Points on skinny love set to 0.018, take pushrod cover out crank motor to where pushrod goes up and then comes back down. I would then go to the timing whole and crank until I saw vertical line in the window or dot because I tried both ways. Then I think my issue is at the points.. I would counter clockwise the plate and try to see that my test light would turn on when I rotated the plate clockwise but I never got the lives to open the points and would be left with no lights so I think my issue would be that I’m not physically turning the cam lobe to see the test light turn on? It’s just weird only a few posts mention that and everyone else is able to just have the plate turned counter clockwise and then they just turn them clockwise to get their test light to light up and they’re done. Not sure that it makes a difference but when I do get the points plate to turn my test light on the points spark a bit (I think that’s supposed to happen?) just no one ever said that in any posts or videos.
I’m starting to think something had to be messed with when this motor was put together being that it’s not bone stock. Anyways I have a new 5.0 ignition coil and rawhides electronic ignition on the way in a couple days so after that the bike will have completely new electronics.Comment
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Since you are setting the advance timing, you must turn the point cam to its limit, to replicate the advance weights turning it as the motor revs up.
If your points are sparking noticeably when they open, you may have a bad condenser. And a bad condenser will make starting extremely difficult. If you even suspect it, replace it. It's hard to find good condensers these days. I've had the best luck with the Blue Streak condensers.
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Since you are setting the advance timing, you must turn the point cam to its limit, to replicate the advance weights turning it as the motor revs up.
If your points are sparking noticeably when they open, you may have a bad condenser. And a bad condenser will make starting extremely difficult. If you even suspect it, replace it. It's hard to find good condensers these days. I've had the best luck with the Blue Streak condensers.
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"Apparently the convenience of points is to be able to buy parts anywhere"
That and the stock electronic ignitions are programmed to have 3 dead revolutions before they fire the spark plugs which makes the kicker useless, that is the reason I changed mine to points.
There are programmable ei's that you can use but points ignitions are dirt cheap compared to them and they (points) worked for decades on multiple platforms so that's what I went with.
They are not set it and forget it like the electronics but the maintenance is really minimal.
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"Apparently the convenience of points is to be able to buy parts anywhere"
That and the stock electronic ignitions are programmed to have 3 dead revolutions before they fire the spark plugs which makes the kicker useless, that is the reason I changed mine to points.
There are programmable ei's that you can use but points ignitions are dirt cheap compared to them and they (points) worked for decades on multiple platforms so that's what I went with.
They are not set it and forget it like the electronics but the maintenance is really minimal.
just my 2cents
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Thanks Jim, I'll keep that in mind for future reference.
I did find this on condensers while surfing the net a while back it might be helpful for some
The article seems more car oriented but there is some useful info.Comment
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