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Originally Posted by flatman
$2,340.00 ... It's up there ...:eek:
Throw in a custom hub ..
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And time to sell the farm !!
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Lot of eye candy back there ...
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Originally Posted by flatman
$2,340.00 ... It's up there ...:eek:
Throw in a custom hub ..
http://www.wwag.com/step3/1000jpg/10397.jpg
And time to sell the farm !!
http://www.wwag.com/step3/1000jpg/46063.jpg
Lot of eye candy back there ...
That is badass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragstews
This will be more of the finish look that the 52 will have ...
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I'm liking that... a LOT!
Owner is going with a Baker Drivetrain 6 ina 4 trans with hyd. clutch ..
Told him I have a Softail tranny for sale super cheap. it's only a 5-speed ..
But he likes the 6-speed ..
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It's used, but far from used up .. !!
$400 + ride, it's yours ..
Certainly! Awaiting enough parts to make it interesting and an assessment on the right side case etc. Since the engine was a bitsa I figger best to set aside the parts which don't give me a chub for the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragstews
A pair of (new) heads and intake will be needed as I'm setting the mixed pair with a plumber style intake I got with it aside. If we need the rockers etc I'll send them down. I just dug out that sexy contact breaker I bought off ya and the note I made on it says "T&O gears" so please order those.
Think you mean S&S reverse rotation gears ...Quote:
Originally Posted by farmall
Using those Bad-Boys will allow the use of any cone type (70-up) ignition system ....
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My bad, those are them! If they're in yer stock please add 'em to the growing pile.
What are the current aftermarket head options? I've not kept track lately.
The today's gig that adds some Gitty-up-go to the old Pans is the up-grade to the Shovel ports ...
Gone is the T manifold and clamp on pipes ...
They also have the Shovel combustion chambers with the 1-15/16" Shovel intake valves, also has the 75-up 3/4" reach spark plugs in play
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But, there's always a "BUT" .... Ya gotta run Shovel jugs with em ...
Stock heads are available for use with the Oem Pan jugs .. Plumber or O-ring ...
S&S makes a Kick-Ass set of heads that retains the Panhead look, uses Shovel rocker arms that allows for oil up the pushrod oiling like the Evo's has ... But ... There's that dang "BUT" again ... :mad:
The 48 to 52 models don't feed oil to the lifter blocks .. 53-up would be a piece of cake with using the S&S P-Series heads ..
Have seen some Folks that will drill the early case to break into the oil port feeding oil to the top end and use 53-up tappet blocks .... That's a bit of work to do, but can be done ..
If the Shovel jugs are used in order to use the up-grade heads, you would need to use the 61-up heads that have outside oil feed to the top-end since there is no drilled oil port in the Shovel jugs like the Panhead jugs have ...
Hmm. How good are the stock repro heads? It would be interesting to retain a plumber intake for looks if it will seal reliably (I'd use quality Rectorseal dope or perhaps Hylomar unless there's another anti-seize/sealant that kicks more ass.) I've removed and installed a few plumber intakes long ago on customer bikes with no comebacks but haven't any long term personal experience riding a scoot with them. The customer Pans I worked on were just beat old choppers and nothing special so I never got to get deep into studying them. This will be educational fun.
I don't want to replace the jugs I just bought in dat stroker kit with Shovel jugs and prefer to keep it all Pan/PseudoPan.
I've a few good Super B's with pump kits and am used to those, but how much would I be giving up HP wise (and where in the powerband) running the M74 (or another and if so, which?) Linkert with that stroker kit? I've rebuilt a couple that didn't need much attention but never tuned one.
My interest is low end grunt and highway roll-ons, not high RPMs. What cam would best suit a two-wheeled tractor? It will be a solo bike and I like tall final drive gearing but I don't lug engines.
Box will be a late five speed in a Softail case (for the electric start, I can kick just fine but old age is ruthless and my ass might fall off without warning). Please put that Softail trans posted above in the Farmall pile. At that price there's no point in me hunting a Delkron case and buying the little shit to use my good splined shaft takeout. Like a sore dick, I can't beat it. The door chrome will be solved with kicker kit.
As for threads maybe it would be better to tack my adventures onto this one for a Pan drivetrain MegaThread comparing options since the builds are similar.
MegaThread it is ....Quote:
Originally Posted by farmall
Vulcanworks makes nice stuff so I'll likely get one of their sprockets.
Confirm the 70-up shaft which will make belt drives easy to sort out.
Will do O-ring heads for easy maintenance and stick with my loyal Super Bs. I'll need an intake manifold too.
I've a new Dyna 2000i to go into that breaker housing but gotta dig out a trigger cup etc before sending it your way.
All great choices ... :cheersmate:Quote:
Originally Posted by farmall
My first stab at building a little virtual Pan motor for torque. I haven't entered the suggested cam timing for improvement or anything else different yet. Small M8 valves, flattop pistons with a little chamber quench & small cam. In the real world should run just fine on premium fuel. Room for improvement yet with refinements!
Bore=3.33250 Stroke=4.25000 74.13940960 Cubic Inches @ 5300 RPM Intake System= 100.00000 VE%
Complete Intake System Flow @28in.= 151.5968 -to- 162.3386 CFM @ 0.470000 Lift (0.00000 VE% Loss)
Cylinder Head Intake Port Flow @28in.= 151.5968 -to- 162.3386 CFM @ 0.470000 Lift (100.00000 VE%)
Cylinder Head Exhaust Port Flow @28in.= 122.3674 -to- 140.3231 CFM @ 0.470000 Lift (with Flow Pipe)
Dyno HP Weather Correction Equation = 8• SAE J607 (June1974) • STP • SuperFlow-FTQ • (Default)
Air Correction=1.00000000 Station Barometer=29.92000000 Air DegF=60.00 Vapor Pressure=0.000
HP Correction Factor= 1.000000000 Fuel Type= Gasoline • Race Gas • HP and Torque increase
Fuel BTU=19000.0 Air/Fuel Ratio=13.200000 BSFC=0.483164 Mixture Distribution= 90.0 Quality= 90.0
Dry Sump • Regular Oil • 0.0 inHg • 0.0 kPa Vacuum • Harmonic Damper Efficiency= 0.0 %
Engine Application = Race Engine • Low-to-Mid-Range RPM • Torque and HP
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Camshaft = Solid Roller Lifter
600 RPM/Sec Dyno Test Level=4 Level=5 Level=6 Level=7 Piston FPM
Peak HorsePower @ 5300 RPM 78.6 79.6 80.6 81.6 3754.17
Peak Torque Lbs-Ft @ 3900 RPM 85.6 86.7 87.8 88.9 2762.50
HorsePower per CID 1.060 1.073 1.087 1.101 Peak HP Fuel
Torque per Cubic Inch 1.155 1.170 1.184 1.199 consumed in
Peak Torque BMEP in psi 174.2 176.4 178.6 180.9 Lbs./ Hour
Throttle Plate CFM @ 1.5 inHg. 114 126 133 139 39.4
:D The cams for this little exercise were the Andrews A2 grind advanced 2 degrees. 10:1 static compression
I am not understanding flattop pistons and a little quench? Weld up heads for bathtub combustion chamber?
Precisely!.. Keep all the heat in the chamber to do work. Flattops have smallest surface area to absorb heat, and in the real world would also be coated to slow heat transferQuote:
Originally Posted by flatman
Fellow up in Canada did a few motors like that "Doug Coffee" shop's name was "Headquarters ...Quote:
Originally Posted by oneuptom
Said the valve angles didn't lend themselves to work well .. ??
On the 52 good progress has been made ...
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Got the C.B. & Gen idle gears dialed in to having .005" end-play ..
New Gen gear closed up the back-lash greatly ...
Then a problem stuck it ugly head up ... !!
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Got to the point of pressuring up the oil system for a check on flow to the rods and found this ... ^^
Yep, the welsh plug was leaking ...
OK ... Alright ... Time to hunt a new plug ..
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