Triumph 5 into 4 Gearbox conversion

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  • GreaserMike
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 497

    Triumph 5 into 4 Gearbox conversion

    Be the envy of your friends by shoving an extra gear into your 650 Trumpet.

    Things you'll need:
    1. A Triumph workshop manual
    2. Tools (esp. an angle grinder and a large round file suitable for Aluminum)
    3. A complete 5 speed cluster with all the associated selector forks, camplate, sleeve-gear bearing, selector quadrant, gearchange quadrant, and final drive sprocket, nut and lockwasher
    4. TONS of patience.
    5. I also recommend Wes White's 650 Triumph engine Rebuild dvd. You can get this at http://lowbrowcustoms.com/ or http://www.fouracescycle.com/. It's a great reference and he goes into detail on teardown and reassembly of the stock gearbox.



    Step one - Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this gearbox!



    This is a 1950 4-speed gearbox. Aint she purdy? I bet some stuffy bike restorer would love to get his well manicured mitts on this. Well tough titties, Sir Reginald Snottybottom! We're going to stuff her full of five speed goodness.

    I'm not going to explain how to unbolt everything in fine detail because pretty much every workshop manual and reference covers this.

    NOTE: All off this can be applied to 4-speed unit and pre-unit motors alike.




    Cover removed



    The inner cover



    The inner cover removed and the gears exposed
    Last edited by GreaserMike; 09-03-2009, 2:55 PM.
  • GreaserMike
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 497

    #2


    The 4-speed cluster minus the sleeve-gear. (keep your shirt on, we're getting to that) You'll be throwing this on the Chop Cult classified section



    If you look inside the gearbox cluster. You can see the sleeve gear and the bearing for the lay shaft. (heh heh I said "lay shaft")



    Flip that bad boy over. See the black seal that covers the sleeve-gear bearing? Work out some aggression on it and rip that fucker off. (don't worry, you're going to be putting a brand spankin' new one back on during re-assembly)

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    • GreaserMike
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 497

      #3


      Once you pull the seal off you'll see the bearing. First remove the clip. You can warm the gearbox up with a torch. (I SAID WARM - NOT INCINERATE). A large socket the size of the bearing can be used to drift out the bearing.



      Bringin' the heat.

      Step Two - Gettin' down to business. Awww yeaaah, son!



      This is a comparison of the 4-speed and 5-speed cases. You can see the hole in the 4-speed case for the sleeve-gear is too small for the 5-speed sleeve-gear.

      You can also see the 5-speed case uses needle roller bearings while the bearings in the 4-speed are brass. Heat up the 4-speed case and remove the brass bearing. You'll be replacing the brass bearings (there's one in the inner cover as well) with late-model needle roller bearings.




      The 5 speed sleeve-gear. I'm pointing to the edge that makes contact with the bearing. The hole in the 4 speed gearbox needs to be opened up so that this edge fits and the gear spins smoothly
      Last edited by GreaserMike; 09-03-2009, 1:02 PM.

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      • GreaserMike
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 497

        #4
        Step Three - Open up and say ahhhhh 5-speed!



        Mark the gearbox. This is the material you'll be removing so the sleeve-gear can pass through. Time to bust out those tools and grind/file away some aluminum! Are you with me?! Woohooo!!!!!!!



        This is a comparison of the 4-speed and 5-speed lay shafts.
        Last edited by GreaserMike; 09-03-2009, 2:58 PM.

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        • GreaserMike
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 497

          #5
          A case for better bearings....or better bearings in your case. Whichever the case may be.

          As I mentioned before, you're going to replace the brass bearings with needle roller bearings.

          Compare the 4 speed and 5 speed shafts:



          4 speed



          5 speed

          Fortunately, Triumph didn't change things around that much and the outer diameter of both bearings is the same. So the new needle roller bearing (a stock 5-speed part) fits right into the older case.
          Last edited by GreaserMike; 09-03-2009, 2:29 PM.

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          • Tyler
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 542

            #6
            Hey Mike, very nice writeup and pics, thanks for taking the time to do it!

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            • image1
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 942

              #7
              well done. How is that whole project coming along anyway?

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              • Choppedtriumphs
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 121

                #8
                More info from OZ bike 1961? I think
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