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    Quote Originally Posted by Fxrfan75 View Post
    WHATS THE AVERAGE COST TO SPLIT THE CASES GO COMPLETELY THRU ONE ?
    There is no way to answer that...... It all depends on what's wrong with it...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    What are the actual symptoms? Noises? Oil level? Oil return to tank when running? Compression test numbers?
    BTW I don't run gauges, just idiot lights since it's a full flow system and pressure drops considerably when warm. Gauges on an HD can be deceptive and should not be considered precise.

    If it runs and doesn't make any odd noises, perform a charging system test since you had to jump it. I suspect an old battery. Anything longer than two or three years on a bike is a matter of luck.

    Cost to fix damage is based on actual damage. Not all of most engines dies at once. If there is considerable damage may be cheaper than an overhaul to buy a low mileage donor Evo (need not be an FXR, Evo big twins interchange), rape it then part it out.

    Crate engines are often a better deal than a rebuild and a much better idea if you want more HP than the slow stock lump.

    Get the facts then post what you find.
    Listen to farmall here. Make sure you understand what he is saying.
    Don't trust that dopey gauge. Don't make assumptions.
    If you can get it started, have someone experienced (tech) listen to it.

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    went down on the old fxr the other day. lucky to walk away but sad to say just about everything is bent.

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    Well that sucks. Glad you're OK though.
    What happened?

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    What size bars are those? Did you use the stock cables and line.

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    Too bad about the wreck but the damage doesn't appear severe. Now you can celebrate life with an upgrade!

    Looks like the bendy bits protected the frame which is the key component of an FXR. Aftermarket fenders are inexpensive and non-stock aftermarket tanks quite reasonable.

    I prefer those Super Glide style seats and bought one new in '88 to replace the flip seat which moved my ass too far forward. I use a stainless wing nut and stud to hold mine on but have gone years without the wing nut (the seat can't escape my crotch unless disaster strikes). If it's torn I'd get it reupholstered. Auto shops have access to much heavier/better vinyl.

    Sucks that the excellent stock downpipes got squashed but do NOT replace with drag pipes which strangle the engine in any form. Fuck drag pipes... The only thing I'd install other than a stock style exhaust (which sounds like a Harley) is a decent 2-into-1 (which can't sound like a Harley). I have a Thunderheader and a Bassani Road Rage on my FXRs, the Road Rage is better built with a superior mount and tucks in well. I had to fab a Thunderheader mount because fuck that POS misused Barrymount they used to run and might still. The Thunderheader coating sucks and it will get blasted then Cerakoted.

    If the forks are bent it's a fine time to install dual disc brakes with four piston calipers. (Any time is fine actually, fuck those single piston calipers even in dual form which I also ran since new when I bought the kit.) Contemporary Sportster forks and rims etc interchange except for tube lenght (IIRC some match) and springs. I never checked damper rod part numbers.

    If you want the new fender to hug the tire closer just redrill the holes to suit. The MoCo left plenty of room.

    The vtwinforum FXR section is excellent, though the rest is basically "boomers with baggers". Lots of brake and fork info lives there.

    Since the air filter got smacked I'd examine the carb area after removing it. Good time to replace the intake manifold seals too and anything old and rubber while it's down for repair. Inspect or replace your rubber engine mounts. The front can be completely detached and you might not notice! Mine was and I was quite surprised. If you do the rear mounts do NOT omit slathering the pivot bolt with anti-seize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    Well that sucks. Glad you're OK though.
    What happened?
    Thanks ya very sore but just lucky I didn't split my head open. racing motocross my whole life I'm constantly looking at the bikes fly by me where I live in Idaho with no helmet laws and think man that's stupid. I have always worn a helmet and have hit my head more times then I can remember on the dirt. This time I was just running to the store and my helmet was hiding from me so I thought what the hell. Last time I will ever do that. still unclear on what happened I remember up to the stop light, take a corner get on hwy going 55ish and thats it. next thing I remember is waking up with some lady screaming at me to stay down. I drove to the scene a few weeks later, no skid marks just looks like I ran straight off the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    Too bad about the wreck but the damage doesn't appear severe. Now you can celebrate life with an upgrade!

    Looks like the bendy bits protected the frame which is the key component of an FXR. Aftermarket fenders are inexpensive and non-stock aftermarket tanks quite reasonable.

    I prefer those Super Glide style seats and bought one new in '88 to replace the flip seat which moved my ass too far forward. I use a stainless wing nut and stud to hold mine on but have gone years without the wing nut (the seat can't escape my crotch unless disaster strikes). If it's torn I'd get it reupholstered. Auto shops have access to much heavier/better vinyl.

    Sucks that the excellent stock downpipes got squashed but do NOT replace with drag pipes which strangle the engine in any form. Fuck drag pipes... The only thing I'd install other than a stock style exhaust (which sounds like a Harley) is a decent 2-into-1 (which can't sound like a Harley). I have a Thunderheader and a Bassani Road Rage on my FXRs, the Road Rage is better built with a superior mount and tucks in well. I had to fab a Thunderheader mount because fuck that POS misused Barrymount they used to run and might still. The Thunderheader coating sucks and it will get blasted then Cerakoted.

    If the forks are bent it's a fine time to install dual disc brakes with four piston calipers. (Any time is fine actually, fuck those single piston calipers even in dual form which I also ran since new when I bought the kit.) Contemporary Sportster forks and rims etc interchange except for tube lenght (IIRC some match) and springs. I never checked damper rod part numbers.

    If you want the new fender to hug the tire closer just redrill the holes to suit. The MoCo left plenty of room.

    The vtwinforum FXR section is excellent, though the rest is basically "boomers with baggers". Lots of brake and fork info lives there.

    Since the air filter got smacked I'd examine the carb area after removing it. Good time to replace the intake manifold seals too and anything old and rubber while it's down for repair. Inspect or replace your rubber engine mounts. The front can be completely detached and you might not notice! Mine was and I was quite surprised. If you do the rear mounts do NOT omit slathering the pivot bolt with anti-seize.
    Ya pretty crappy picture but I parked it in my garage not my shop so I wouldn't have to look at it. I haven't done a full inspection but at first glance tins are shot. Luckily when I bought this bike the guy said hey you want these to? pulls down a box with a full matching tin set. Him and his buddy both got out of army and bought matching bikes, his buddy went full aftermarket and gave him the set. I said ya! so thats covered, tank has a small dent but better than nothing. front end is toast. rear STBD side shock is bent and looks like the frame tweaked a bit with it but I do have a frame jig so I don't think it will be a total loss. Always a bright side that I can build a sweet FXR now but I really did love how clean and original it was though but I guess it could be worse. Ill post some more pictures at a later date when I pull her on the lift.

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    Default FXR (and other rubbermount big twins) swingarm pivot repair videos.

    FXR (and other rubbermount big twins) swingarm pivot repair videos by Mr. Northeastconfederate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRTv...ature=youtu.be

    The kit is from True Track but the the principle is using a "piloted chucking reamer" to bore the case on the motorcycle to avoid pulling the gearbox then clamping it on a milling machine table. Watch all three videos.

    They offer kits for both pivot axle sizes and the job is pretty basic.

    I have a mill but if I had to do that job in the bike I'd try to source a piloted chucking reamer with 5/8" pilot and "desired bushing outside diameter" cutting area" based on the bushings I wanted or grind down a pilot area on a conventional reamer (see reamer in video) to 5/8" size with my toolpost grinder on my lathe or just buy the True Track kit.

    http://www.true-track.com/TT_20-19L-RK_Instr.pdf

    http://www.true-track.com/tt_products.html

    The theory of operation is worth watching if you've never done that sort of work.
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    I installed the 02 to 08 swing arm on my '95 touring but went a little different route. I used my original .625 swing arm pivot and machined some reducer bushings to fit the spherical OEM 3/4" I.D.bearings in the later model swing arm. I put it all back together with new rubber isolater's, torqued up the factory specs. and it worked out very well. I like the forged axle ends on the newer swing arm, much better than touring and FXR swing arms that crush real easy from over torquing the axle. I had to convert my back wheel to 1" sealed bearings but I like that beefy 1" rear axle. I can definitely tell a difference in the handling. The swing arms are relatively cheap on ebay, I got mine as a new take off from a trike builder for 56 bucks, shipped! All this would be a good addition on an FXR hot rod.
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    Since pivot axle weakness isn't an issue your idea makes perfect sense. What wheel bearing make/size/part number did you use?

    I'm keeping the stock pivot bore on my current case since it's still tight and will bore the case when it wears (long case bore should last longer than two short bushings) and I want to keep the stock style rear wheel.

    Since my back is destroyed if a police seat/back rest/air shocks etc aren't comfortable enough I'll get the bagger swingarm and lengthen it for a softer ride (due to more travel at the wheel and longer wheel base). The stock swingarm isn't an issue for me on a 600lb FXR but it's too thin for me to want to extend.

    I may remachine the larger diameter rear axle to fit the Timken style bearings (which HD should have kept but they obviously didn't want to shim them, bearing quality has been going down since the Shovelhead era swingarm Timkens went away) but I won't have one in my hand for a bit.

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    I was thinking about putting struts on but... haha
    Instead I got these Works Road Racer shocks fully re-built that were originally off a '89 FXR. Pretty rare I guess and was told Eddie Lawson used 'em way back in the yesteryear. Psyched to check them out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    I was thinking about putting struts on but... haha
    Instead I got these Works Road Racer shocks fully re-built that were originally off a '89 FXR. Pretty rare I guess and was told Eddie Lawson used 'em way back in the yesteryear. Psyched to check them out.
    Wow, those are porn, were some of the best in their day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoghead View Post
    Wow, those are porn, were some of the best in their day.

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    They are sexy aren't they? haha
    I bought 'em off CL like 6 years ago for $130. They arrived leaking oil bad. I called the guy to complain and he basically said "I'll send you your money back if you send the shocks back, many people are asking for them and are willing to pay more." So I said "fuck it I'll keep 'em". Time goes by and the company that built them folds. Found a guy in Cali that rebuilds them and sent them out. He calls me with some questions and then says "You know those are pretty rare, right? I've only seen one other pair before." He said some were on Ebay auction with a buy them now price of $1500!
    I told my OL this and she said "Sell them!" but I've never been known for my wise financial decisions and I'm anxious to try these out.
    Thanks for the pic, that's great. I realized I have another slight connection. Back in '99 I bought my first (and only!) brand new bike, a ZRX1100. A kind of tribute Lawson bike. A really good daily rider with a Corbin and superbike bar swap. Had a huge storage spot under the seat big enough to carry three tall's. Did great wheelies.
    Here's a bad pic of a bad pic of it at the rental cabin at Laconia Bike Week circa '00 or '01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    They are sexy aren't they? haha
    I bought 'em off CL like 6 years ago for $130. They arrived leaking oil bad. I called the guy to complain and he basically said "I'll send you your money back if you send the shocks back, many people are asking for them and are willing to pay more." So I said "fuck it I'll keep 'em". Time goes by and the company that built them folds. Found a guy in Cali that rebuilds them and sent them out. He calls me with some questions and then says "You know those are pretty rare, right? I've only seen one other pair before." He said some were on Ebay auction with a buy them now price of $1500!
    I told my OL this and she said "Sell them!" but I've never been known for my wise financial decisions and I'm anxious to try these out.
    Thanks for the pic, that's great. I realized I have another slight connection. Back in '99 I bought my first (and only!) brand new bike, a ZRX1100. A kind of tribute Lawson bike. A really good daily rider with a Corbin and superbike bar swap. Had a huge storage spot under the seat big enough to carry three tall's. Did great wheelies.
    Here's a bad pic of a bad pic of it at the rental cabin at Laconia Bike Week circa '00 or '01.
    Damn that's cool! I had a Suzuki GS1000S and a CB750 Spencer rep. as my nod to superbike ownership. At least if the shocks don't out you can sell them on, but I've a feeling they will!

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    I heard 1990's FXR have better trans, primary, starter and clutch and 2" over fork compared to previous years.
    Is that correct? Can you educate me on the differences between say a 89 and a 90 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElekVins View Post
    I heard 1990's FXR have better trans, primary, starter and clutch and 2" over fork compared to previous years.
    Is that correct? Can you educate me on the differences between say a 89 and a 90 ?
    Later mainshaft/ clutch hub set up is stronger, not sure which year in the 1990's it happened, likewise later starter motors are stronger.My 85 has a different clutch release from the later ball/ramp set ups too.

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    '90 was the year they switched from a tapered shaft to a splined.
    Tube length depended on the model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    They are sexy aren't they? haha
    I bought 'em off CL like 6 years ago for $130. They arrived leaking oil bad. I called the guy to complain and he basically said "I'll send you your money back if you send the shocks back, many people are asking for them and are willing to pay more." So I said "fuck it I'll keep 'em". Time goes by and the company that built them folds. Found a guy in Cali that rebuilds them and sent them out. He calls me with some questions and then says "You know those are pretty rare, right? I've only seen one other pair before." He said some were on Ebay auction with a buy them now price of $1500!
    I told my OL this and she said "Sell them!" but I've never been known for my wise financial decisions and I'm anxious to try these out.
    Thanks for the pic, that's great. I realized I have another slight connection. Back in '99 I bought my first (and only!) brand new bike, a ZRX1100. A kind of tribute Lawson bike. A really good daily rider with a Corbin and superbike bar swap. Had a huge storage spot under the seat big enough to carry three tall's. Did great wheelies.
    Here's a bad pic of a bad pic of it at the rental cabin at Laconia Bike Week circa '00 or '01.
    Love those big Kawasaki‘s I was much younger I had an 84 Gpz1100 that I had many adventures on and I came this close to buying the ZRX1100 in your picture but got another GPZ1100 reboot that they came back out with in late 90s with a liquid cooled 1100 motor in place of the old air cooled version it was a good touring bike.

    Ok back to FXR stuff.... I hope this doesn’t turn into a Sons of Anarchy Theme Bike with 20” T bars

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    I heard 1990's FXR have better trans, primary, starter and clutch and 2" over fork compared to previous years.
    Is that correct? Can you educate me on the differences between say a 89 and a 90 ?
    If you see a Denso starter the bike has a later box. I've not opened a 1990, just my '88 and '94 and didn't precisely track the transition but some time with online microfiche would give the part number info. (You can copy the windows and images on the Ronnie's site despite the popup saying otherwise, by screenshotting or Ctrl-C etc, I use Firefox so the standard copy dialog works.)

    BTW you can install the later five speed transmission, starter and clutch in the old five speed cases by boring the hole for the starter in the transmission case on a milling machine (easy work to outsource after ya pull the case). I've not done that yet because I swapped in a bagger box instead. Some of the FXR guys on vtwinforum including Turboprop have. (Their FXR section is excellent, the rest is boomers on baggers.)

    What I do not know if anyone has done is to use the old inner and outer primary cases with a late one piece aftermarket jack shaft which does not use the stock intermediate bushing. If the length is suitable the most one would do to use the primary covers is bush the early outer cover to suit. That would make the transmission and starter upgrade pleasantly cheap.

    The starter holes in early and late five speed transmission cases are concentric (Delkron sold a late to early reducer ring for their cases to permit using earlier starters though nofuckingway I'd do that because the Densos are more powerful and permit pushbutton solenoid end covers).

    One reason to swap it the early taper shaft clutch hub is a delicate abortion but if you break a cast tower the aftermarket hubs with steel towers are much tougher parts. I have one as a spare but swapped to a 1997 bagger box/Delkron inner primary/late outer primary instead. I just installed a Baker OD 6 (not really necessary but why not?) which was the same as a stock trans installation.

    Ring and pinion gears must be swapped as a set. Aftermarket gear sets are available if no like stock ratios.

    My 85 has a different clutch release from the later ball/ramp set ups too.
    Those forks are known to break but they are very close to stronger (compare the two if ya get the chance) Shovelhead forks but not quite a drop-in. When my bros snapped we just ordered a replacement and had a bit more metal. I didn't see the brand.

    On the later ball ramp five speeds there are two transmission end covers so if anyone replaces theirs make sure to get a match to what you have. The difference is where the clutch cable boss is located and while it ain't much might interfere with an exhaust mount etc.

    Reduced effort Harley ball ramps can fit the bigger Baker upgrade wafer bearing (which is a stock part somewhere in industry but I haven't researched hard) by spot facing them to the larger size. I did that on mine.

    You can also swap end doors/covers/releases if needed or putting a box together from parts. The five speed is a good design and easy to work with on or off the bike.

    I'd buy any year FXR at the right price and contemporary bagger drivetrains bolt in. Later baggers with the wonderful (no more wet sumping because gravity is kool and no more oil bag opens room/maintenance access) integral oil sump can be donors if you leave the oil pan off (boo!) or mod the simple cross member (yay). They sell kits but if ya look at Twin Cam FXR swap threads doing it from scrap for no money is dead easy. I can drop my oil pan in the bike and mounted the classic jiffy stands to the left highway peg mounts because my stock cheap shit stand bent and the the classic stand is the best in motorcycling. Two quality bolts are sufficient (even with a kickstarter, a useless accessory I tried and didn't keep) but I welded in an eye for the third when I had the frame down for powder coating.
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