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  • cisco
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 239

    1. "HCQ doesn't work like Trump says!!" New England Journal of medicine even did trials to prove this. Me, I was nosey so read Dr.s comments on the trial which had them say "You didn't accompany the HCQ with zinc as we have been telling you is necessary since the HCQ opens the cell for zinc to enter to kill the virus!" Response from TNEJM was a louder "HCQ doesn't work!!" Me, I looked up the Trump speech and watched him clearly say HCQ with zinc worked. As a research scientist kinda guy my antenna went up as result since when scientists are confronted with an issue they ask around to see if fellows have solved the problem elsewhere. Then when getting solutions you replicate their procedure to try it out. This wasn't done since zinc was excluded from the trials. Big powerful but unknown/hidden rat smelled there...rat
    2. Trump and wife were treated for the bug but never said what they took as remedy. "An antibiotic cocktail" he said and she said "I went with a more herbal approach." These are not clear answers to a bug fellow citizens are dying from in huge numbers. Media didn't press. Again, big rat smelled there.
    3. Literally $billions$ was being pumped out by the Federal reserve up to the time the virus broke out. Fed was buying bank assets for dollars thus eliminating bank loan ceilings allowing them to loan a ton out. But only the elite had credit to take out loans for teeny interest rates to then buy back their company shares/invest into stocks and buy stuff. meanwhile the assets bought by the Fed were handed over for control by Blackstone (rock?) a gigantic Israel-based management corp that loved kicking people out of homes in 2008 and now seem fully in position to repeat now.
    4. French nursing home found their joint hadn't any covid cases unlike others around that were experiencing huge cases and mortalities. They found that having treated their patients with ivermectin due to a big scabies outbreak their patients seemed immune to covid. Other Drs around the world tried it and have put their names/reps on the line saying it works. MSM and all are basically calling them all liars and that without huge Big Pharma-based trials we can't think anything of their 'claims'.
    5. now without huge trials with some Israel Drs saying a 3rd shot is needed cuz the 2 received so far wear off, the above point is not important. No need for huge trial studies. A 3rd shot is required!!!!
    6. FLCCCA website has US doctors and more that even addressed Congress to say we need allow ivermectin cuz a few cheap non-patented pills is all needed to address early treatment of covid along with vaccines, sure. NO mention by MSM/gov't. They say it can be prescribed off label BUT hospitals won't allow it and when a person goes to clinic and tests positive they are told "Go home and go to hospital if you can't breath." So no Dr is in the path to even prescribe the med and if so the pharmacies deny it AND when the person goes to hospital, again, it isn't allowed by Drs there as treatment.
    7. I did some digging and found a few interesting things about this ivermectin....
    a) GOA area in India was being devastated by the bug and so rolled out ivermectin. One guy Lenin, wouldn't allow it in his jurisdiction. Three around him rolled it out. Saw graphs where the three using it had their exponential growth curve stop abruptly and crash to bottom on same steep straight line angle as each other while ole Lenin's area kept climbing. India has not much covid there now at all. Pal just got back from Delhi and showed pics saying no worry about it there. Deange (sp?) disease is more a concern as usual.
    b) On a hunch I asked computer 3 questions.... 1. Does china make ivermectin? Yes about 10 places make it and even sell to the USA. 2. Show me graphs of covid case counts for china from Jan 2020 (when outbreak started). Looked at a few and saw cases like with india later became exponential BUT around mid Feb 2020 suddenly stopped and crashed following the same line and angle as the three India provinces that later rolled out ivermectin. c) when was ivermectin first mentioned as a possible covid treatment? Few minutes found a pharma/chemistry magazine where a lady wrote about her interview with an Australian lab that claimed hey did petri dish tests finding ivermectin stopped covid.
    OK my theory is simple... China works in all labs and that Aussie lab wasn't shy about it's findings. China heard about it and after quick test immediately ROLLED it out big time. Hardly any cases there now. Japan also rolled it out and cases crashed same abrupt stop to case climb and angle of case crash.
    8. Opium wars with china over tea pricing means china knows about other countries trying to screw it. Free trade had the global elite allow/push/enable our industries to go there for manufacturing. Early 1970's this shit show started. China made agreements to get its kids into Boston colleges and they arrived in droves and many stayed. NO communist country lets people out without a purpose and control over them. Kids here have families there. China has been getting intel from them for years and has bought things, invested in things and so forth not blidly, but with intel. No gov't concern here about any of that BUT wow Russians are always claimed to be sneaking around stealing technology. Chinese plants here are in all top research projects, go/send info home where it is advanced yet their advancements don't come here. This is clearly a one-way street where China benefits only and advances faster and further than we do here. No thought or worry about it here at all. ??? WHY????
    9. Global elite have long been trying to take over the Chinese economy. China keeps delaying this with "Let's have another meeting." China learned from the opium wars and is run by committees that allow a member to progress upwards through committees to the top decision making level. Corruption is sniffed out along the way and no way top brass can be bought/corrupted unlike any/every politician in democratic countries.
    China smartly keeps the petro dollar at the border exchanging it for their Yuan on home turf. this means tha gov't gets all the manufacturing petro dollars and exchanges enough to bring stuff in and sold via Yuan. ALL the extra petro dollars is used by china to buy, well, everything it wants in the world. THIS INCLUDES POLITICIANS AND HEALTH AGENCY OFFICIALS WORLD WIDE. MSM also must have laundered money payments since no mention/worry about any of the above is mentioned anywhere.
    10. China has recently allowed more than 1 kid per family. Now i hear 3. So while the rest of the world is experiencing the selective genocide
    of 'useless eaters' it is increasing its output of people. Look around and you'll see many Chinese people here. Fine, but how and why does a communist country let so many out???
    Big picture to me is the global elite have realized they can't take over China and china is slowly taking the world over. "Can't beat em, join em." so now the global elite have made a deal China likes...to be left alone to expand as it wants while the global elite keep the media/politicians/bureaucrats in line. The global elite still gets what it wants. Just with a partner.

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    • Revelator
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 2992

      You better believe It, Blackrock will be IN on the coming engineered collapse.
      The "Great Reset" being orchestrated through powerful jewish groups. central banks,
      & all of Their bogust Front organizations, Insitutes, & administrations
      Involves massive wealth transfer, Not only in the housing sector, But also by way of
      "Resetting" the economies around the world, Into a New Singular Global Economy that
      revolves around a "Carbon" scheme that was built around the fake climate change fraud.
      This New "Global Reset" & "Green" Economy is set to bring massive changes...
      (Other than massive profits for the designers).
      Fascism on a global scale.
      Technocratic control & mass surveillance.
      The end of property rights for the masses.
      The end of gasoline powered vehicles for the masses.
      massive land closures, With more & more land set aside for "Nature", off limits
      to the masses. (All laid out in the UN's Agenda 2030).
      Taxation schemes to penalize anyone who is being "Unsustainable"
      And of course this all cannot happen unless the population "Burden"
      is massively reduced. (Too many People using Too much stuff.)


      Their Big Reset also has a Litmus Test...... (& It is highly efficient)

      Vaccines will ELIMINATE the "obedience class" of humans who can't think for themselves A new mini-documentary about vaccinations and the globalist depopulation plan that will ultimately lead to the elimination of the OBEDIENT masses. Mike Adams explained theses sheeple come from an old lineage of slaves, slaves for centuries and they'll not change today. Are we from the lineage of warriors for liberty ? YES ! It's really quite simple! Ask yourself do you believe what you are "told" or what can prove by seeing with your OWN EYES? I always cringe when i here some one use the phrases "they say, or "experts say. OR "scientist say". It not what these people "say" that is important! The only thing is important is whether they can "they" back it up with FACTS with DATA! Millions just went along with the "mask" just because some little dwarf "wamabe" Joseph Mengele TOLD THEM to! AN OVERWHELMING MOUNTAIN of clinical data says that that DAMN FILTY RAG IS USELESS! Yet the sheep all obeyed, they all went "willingly" to the slaughterhouse! ONCE we put on the mask the human race DIED! When people become programed to what they read and watch in the main stream media it becomes permanent hypnosis embedded in their subconsciousness to obey directions. Emotional woke liberals are a prime example. source: https://www.brighteon.com/118184b4-7fa7-45d8-a3e0-655ee92c076c

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      • confab
        Senior Member
        • May 2019
        • 1337

        Was watching an interesting interview with the Surgeon General of Florida the other night.

        FL has done remarkably well with the virus. Particularly well given their status as "Heaven's waiting room"

        He was asked about this and replied (Paraphrase) that, basically.. Instead of just waiting on people who contract Covid to fucking die or to show up at the hospital needing an ER room and a ventilator, they fucking treat them.. And it helps. A lot.

        He was asked why other states weren't taking this approach and he said he had no idea, but felt they were too reliant on the vaccine.

        He really seemed blown away by the disparity between states and localities in handling Covid cases

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        • confab
          Senior Member
          • May 2019
          • 1337

          PS:I am tired of hearing anything containing the words: "Following the science" which isn't immediately followed and supported by objective reason and scientific fact.


          "Which studies are you using and why?" is a very simple, fair, question to ask of our experts at this point in time..

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          • DoomBuggy
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2016
            • 2436

            Originally posted by confab
            Was watching an interesting interview with the Surgeon General of Florida the other night.

            FL has done remarkably well with the virus. Particularly well given their status as "Heaven's waiting room"
            A little fact check:
            While Florida is experiencing low case rates now, it is the joint seventh-worst-affected state in regard to overall death rates per 100,000 people throughout the COVID pandemic as a whole, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data as of November 30.

            Similarly, it has reported the 15-highest COVID case rate per 100,000 people throughout the pandemic as a whole, the CDC data also showed.

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            • confab
              Senior Member
              • May 2019
              • 1337

              Interesting.. Not sure how relevant it is, though? Newsweek quotes the Times and their data is behind a wall..

              I found a cite which claims to be based on their data, here:

              As of Dec. 17, more than 802,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

              The Times used data from reports of coronavirus cases and deaths by U.S. states and counties. The database includes cases and deaths that have been identified by public health officials as probable coronavirus patients, which means they did not have confirmed tests for coronavirus infection but were evaluated using criteria developed by national and local governments. Read more about the data here.

              Here is a breakdown of average daily COVID-19 deaths and COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people over the last seven days in all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. The data was last updated Dec. 17.

              Note: States are ranked by deaths per 100,000. The list includes ties.

              Michigan
              Deaths per 100,000: 1.16
              Daily average deaths: 115.9

              Montana
              Deaths per 100,000: 1.15
              Daily average deaths: 12.3

              Arizona
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
              Daily average deaths: 70

              Pennsylvania
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.92
              Daily average deaths: 117.7

              West Virginia
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.84
              Daily average deaths: 15.1

              Indiana
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.8
              Daily average deaths: 54

              Wyoming
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.74
              Daily average deaths: 4.3

              Kentucky
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.72
              Daily average deaths: 32.3

              Ohio
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.71
              Daily average deaths: 83.3

              Colorado
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.69
              Daily average deaths: 40

              Wisconsin
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.69
              Daily average deaths: 40.1

              Minnesota
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.62
              Daily average deaths: 34.7

              North Dakota
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.62
              Daily average deaths: 4.7

              Kansas
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.61
              Daily average deaths: 17.9

              South Dakota
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.61
              Daily average deaths: 5.4

              New Mexico
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.6
              Daily average deaths: 12.6

              Iowa
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.59
              Daily average deaths: 18.6

              New Hampshire
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.58
              Daily average deaths: 7.9

              Oregon
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.58
              Daily average deaths: 24.4

              Maine
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.51
              Daily average deaths: 6.9

              Nevada
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.51
              Daily average deaths: 15.7

              Vermont
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.5
              Daily average deaths: 3.1

              Arkansas
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.49
              Daily average deaths: 14.7

              Tennessee
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.48
              Daily average deaths: 32.9

              Rhode Island
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.46
              Daily average deaths: 4.9

              Idaho
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.39
              Daily average deaths: 7.

              Illinois
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.39
              Daily average deaths: 48.9

              Missouri
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.38
              Daily average deaths: 23.6

              Massachusetts
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.37
              Daily average deaths: 25.3

              Delaware
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.31
              Daily average deaths: 3

              Virginia
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.31
              Daily average deaths: 26.7

              Alabama
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.3
              Daily average deaths: 14.6

              New York State
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.3
              Daily average deaths: 57.7

              Utah
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.29
              Daily average deaths: 9.3

              South Carolina
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.27
              Daily average deaths: 14.

              Hawaii
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.25
              Daily average deaths: 3.6

              Connecticut
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.22
              Daily average deaths: 8

              Texas
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.22
              Daily average deaths: 63.6

              Washington
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.22
              Daily average deaths: 16.9

              New Jersey
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.21
              Daily average deaths: 19

              North Carolina
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.2
              Daily average deaths: 20.6

              Maryland
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.18
              Daily average deaths: 11.0!

              Oklahoma
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.18
              Daily average deaths: 7.3

              Louisiana
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.16
              Daily average deaths: 7.3

              Mississippi
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.16
              Daily average deaths: 4.9

              California
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.15
              Daily average deaths: 59.7

              District of Columbia
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.14
              Daily average deaths: 1.

              Georgia
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.14
              Daily average deaths: 15.4

              Nebraska
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.13
              Daily average deaths: 2.4

              Florida
              Deaths per 100,000: 0.12
              Daily average deaths: 26.3


              Alaska

              Deaths per 100,000: 0.06

              Daily average deaths: 0.04

              https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...te-july-1.html
              And, because this is a complex issue which essentially revolves around demographics, I did a quick google and came up with this. It is interesting..

              Based on my (Mostly anecdotal) knowledge of Florida and Floridians, I have no reason to doubt its veracity. But, if you do? I'm sure you can easily verify it.

              US States With the Oldest Population

              1. Maine - Percentage of population over age 65: 20.6%

              2. Florida - Percentage of population over age 65: 20.5%

              https://insurify.com/insights/states...pulation-2020/

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              • confab
                Senior Member
                • May 2019
                • 1337

                PSS: I happened on this, also..

                Florida’s job growth rate was six times faster than the country’s as a whole in November, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) announced on Friday.
                Probably because FLA isn't running around with its pants on fire over CV19..

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                • ryan70
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2021
                  • 1

                  Originally posted by confab
                  Looks like Cv19 hospitalization rates are way down .

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                  It rises again and again, with the Virus mutating itself only proper vaccines will help which will take some years to develop.

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                  • Revelator
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2992

                    Originally posted by ryan70
                    It rises again and again, with the Virus mutating itself only proper vaccines will help which will take some years to develop.
                    The only thing that is mutating is the mass media virus & Oligarchy of Control.Click image for larger version

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                    • ExplodingCoffinEmporium
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 357

                      The numbers are up unfortunately, the highest they’ve been within our system since the beginning. I’ve fielded 3 house calls outside of work in the past week from friends who ranged from vaccinated “mild cold” to unvaccinated blubbering “I think I’m dying” and another tearful unvaccinated “Am I going to die”.

                      Our medsurg unit has been stacked 100% without give for the past month, and our medical ICU has been full of 75% Covid with a few beds left open in case someone in medsurg or the other 2 units housing Covid decides to start giving up the ghost.

                      Resources are still thin. We’re facing a nation wide staffing crisis. To be fair we’ve had a nursing staffing crisis for decades but never at this level. Blood is also a hot commodity right now, we’re able to do transfusions don’t get me wrong, but it’s tight and will be for the foreseeable future. Vents are still in high demand along with BiPAP’s, but we’re a little better stocked since the initial surges. It’s going to get worse in the next few months and we’re bracing for it.

                      Stay safe and smart these holidays. I’m off shift, my wife just left to start her shift. I hope everyone stays healthy. I’m going to sit and drink my coffee till my kids get up and try to decompress from all the beeps, alarms, and screams I’ve dealt with the past 13 hours. Merry Christmas everyone.

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                      • cisco
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 239

                        Revelator and confab. Good info thanks! Revelator the Brighteon vid IMHO isn't accurate from a few standpoints. The 'useless eaters' are NOT dumb people but people who are sucking off the teat rather than adding to the milk. Old on pension or getting medicare benefits are included along with physically/mentally disabled, jailed psychos and even ex-military suffering from war-induced disorders, anyone living on the streets and ESPECIALLY black and brown people since gov't HAS NOT advised we take vitamin D which darker toned people vitally need to fight off virus attack. Their color does not create enough of it BUT gov't has NOT advised we take it nor zinc, vitamin C and acc to the FDA probiotics all known to help fight covid.
                        The elite want the smart controlled people but not the smart uncontrolled people. The elite want their own dumb kids to rule after them and for this they need obedient smart people NOT rebellious smart ones. Also the idea the elite want to help humanity via preserving the smart to better expand onto other planets.... well Musk and such are themselves going into space. Why? I agree something imminent like a meteorite is soon to hit BUT these clowns are planning to sit in a space station to wait it out and return having bought all arable land and resources and also have cash/stocks/ technology set aside to await their return along with YACHTS to float around protected by US Navy which apparently is already in place around the virgin or Canary Isles. Bazos is building a $500. million yacht IMO for this reason. Gates has bought most farmland in the US and no doubt in other countries as well. When is happens Blackrock will be able to foreclose on most of the US citizen property since tax can't be paid by dead people or survivors on destroyed lands. They'll walk or limp away while Blackrock simply takes ownership. Insurers won't pay out as seen before during catastrophes and property goes to the banksters.
                        As for vaxes killing people, ok soft cell cancer introduction is my guess but digital tracking and thus control is also what they're after.

                        confab the data you thankfully have shown is also biased since hospitals get $$ for covid patients so a toe tag saying covid makes them $$ rather than truth being heart attack/stroke or what have you. I do not believe the case counts or hospitalization numbers especially since they like using the words "with covid" rather than "from covid" which is HUGE difference as we now see in S. Africa where like here, hospital protocol is that regardless why you get there you are tested for covid. So "hospital cases with covid'' and deaths "with covid" again, are meaningless.

                        I'd watch Florida where the Governor is a rebel and has implemented for free monocromal (sp?) antibody treatments like we now hear Trump took to help BUT I note he still hasn't mentioned/approved iv-cheap little pill that cures covid. Three places haven't approved 5G....Israel (but they made a 5G cloud over prisoner Palestine), Brussels (world banking headquarters), and FLORIDA (where global elite hide especially when retired using income-tax evading jurisdiction to protect from prosecution).

                        So maybe Florida is blessed with better freedom since the elite hang out there with friends and families.

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                        • cisco
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 239

                          Thanks ECE for the honest update. Are the cases Delta or omicron? IMHO both should be out there spreading as normal and even both attacking the same person since virus attacks a cell and doesn't know/care if another strain virus is after cells close by. Bottom line is no way Delta ran away or was killed due to the Omicron bully moving into the neighborhood. BTW S. Africa has shown Omicron has peaked and is now dropping and ill effects and deaths are relatively far less than Delta. Omicron will spread faster with less harmful effects BUT this also means the lower percentage of the very ill may translate into higher numbers needing hospital care. Are we seeing this lower percentage but higher numbers with Omicron?
                          Last edited by cisco; 12-25-2021, 6:34 AM.

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                          • ExplodingCoffinEmporium
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 357

                            Originally posted by cisco
                            Thanks ECE for the honest update. Are the cases Delta or omicron? IMHO both should be out there spreading as normal and even both attacking the same person since virus attacks a cell and doesn't know/care if another strain virus is after cells close by. Bottom line is no way Delta ran away or was killed due to the Omicron bully moving into the neighborhood. BTW S. Africa has shown Omicron has peaked and is now dropping and ill effects and deaths are relatively far less than Delta. Omicron will spread faster with less harmful effects BUT this also means the lower percentage of the very ill may translate into higher numbers needing hospital care. Are we seeing this lower percentage but higher numbers with Omicron?
                            I’m gonna be honest I didn’t pull the hard labs yesterday at work, I generally only look at the results review section for SARS-COV-19 Pos or Neg as from my standpoint I will initiate protocol and respond to the results the same regardless of variant and as you can imagine the holiday season is a fuckin bombshell and barely affords us enough time to dig into the details especially considering I had a rash of nursing home patients hit with bed bugs yesterday as well to deal with. Oddly psychological that one, you don’t even interact with the patient and you still seem to notice every itch on your body amplified all of a sudden haha. When I’m back to hell on Tuesday, time permitting, I’ll pull the data and give you some actual stats.

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                            • cisco
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 239

                              Thanks. Hope you can get them. Data is very vague it seems even though 'deadly' Delta supposedly can easily be determined from 'maybe more mild' Omicron.

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                              • confab
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2019
                                • 1337

                                Originally posted by ryan70
                                It rises again and again, with the Virus mutating itself only proper vaccines will help which will take some years to develop.
                                Perhaps? But I'm not entirely convinced of it.

                                For example: We have flu vaccines.

                                We have scores of them. We develop new ones all the time, and still the flu is a major, major killer. It is so ubiquitous, you never hear the body count reported. But it is incredibly high. It has always been so. It remains so. In fact, there is good reason to suspect CV19 deaths are commingled with flu deaths at this point.

                                But, anyway... The point is that we haven't yet beaten it definitively. We probably never will, or at least during our lifetimes.

                                So, the future may well be in the direction of more effective therapeutics than simply lumping more flu vaccines on top of the mountain of flu vaccines we have at our disposal already.

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