B-29 engine fires, steel crankcases and interesting base flange nut washers.

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  • farmall
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 9983

    B-29 engine fires, steel crankcases and interesting base flange nut washers.

    Responsible parties make sure their information is accurate. To do anything less is to introduce a crack in one’s credibility.


    Pratt & Whitney radials, which have forged-aluminum crankcases, retain their cylinders by studs and nuts. On the other hand, the cylinders of Wright’s big engines are retained by bolts which screw into the steel case—21 individual 7/16 NF bolts per cylinder. The late John Minnich, a Wright engineer during the war, told me that at the level of the intake port, just over a foot away from the cylinder’s upset-forged steel base flange, rod angularity at each firing caused the cylinder to kick sideways by twenty-thousandths of an inch. Because of that flexure, each base bolt sat on a part-spherical washer, fitting into a matching cup in the base flange. Without this feature base-bolt breakage was constant. Everything was constantly flexing. Try to imagine magnesium threads surviving such motions.
  • JBinNC
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2018
    • 2713

    #2
    And it is my contention that evo base gaskets leak because the rather tall cylinders rock back & forth on the very narrow base, and disturb the gasket. Earlier motors had larger base flanges, and did not have this problem.

    Jim

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    • 47str8leg
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 1585

      #3
      That article was outstanding. I didn’t even know Kevin Cameron was still writing.
      The guy is brilliant.

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      • 47str8leg
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 1585

        #4
        Originally posted by JBinNC
        And it is my contention that evo base gaskets leak because the rather tall cylinders rock back & forth on the very narrow base, and disturb the gasket. Earlier motors had larger base flanges, and did not have this problem.

        Jim
        It is my contention that I drink more alcohol to ignore my tranny main seal leaks and cure them with more oil added to balance the system back out as well as my own mental health.

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        • 47str8leg
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 1585

          #5
          It is also my contention to say that I believe if Harley would never heve foolishly improved the total loss oiling system , i would never had to explain the oil spots left on someone else’s driveway.

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          • JBinNC
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 2713

            #6
            It is my contention that a drip indicates that there is oil in the gearbox.

            Jim

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            • Dragstews
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 13739

              #7
              Useless bit of info here ....

              My father worked for the War Assets Administration after WWII ...
              He was instrumental in getting a building for Preston Tucker to build his 48 Tucker's ...
              That building was used for manufacturing the B-29 motors in Chicago ...

              See ... I told ya'll it was useless info .. !!
              But a bit of History none the less ...
              Last edited by Dragstews; 01-29-2022, 12:31 PM.
              Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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              • 47str8leg
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 1585

                #8
                Originally posted by Dragstews
                Useless bit of info here ....

                My father worked for the War Assets Administration after WWII ...
                He was instrumental in getting a building for Preston Tucker to build his 48 Tucker's ...
                That building was used for manufacturing the B-29 motors in Chicago ...

                See ... I told ya'll it was useless info .. !!
                But a bit of History none the less ...
                I remember my dad Preston talking to me about that.

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                • DustyDave
                  Super Moderator
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 2015

                  #9
                  More useless information
                  My dad installed the first 75MM cannon in a B 25 Mitchel and after the test firing he refused to fly for several years after the war. He said that the crews that hunted subs with them had to be insane to fire that cannon bolted to the airframe a little to the left of the middle of of the plane that ran right under the pilot and copilot.
                  More useless info, that your story brought to mind Jessy.
                  Dusty
                  Last edited by DustyDave; 01-29-2022, 4:08 PM.
                  Driving that train, high on cocaine
                  Casey Jones you better, watch your speed
                  Trouble ahead, trouble behind
                  And you know that notion just crossed my mind​

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                  • rockman96
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2018
                    • 895

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JBinNC
                    It is my contention that a drip indicates that there is oil in the gearbox.

                    Jim
                    Kinda like plumes of oil smoke... At least you know the top end is getting oil.

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                    • JBinNC
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2018
                      • 2713

                      #11
                      Originally posted by rockman96
                      Kinda like plumes of oil smoke... At least you know the top end is getting oil.
                      Or tickin' tappets. If they're tickin', at least they ain't too tight.

                      Jim

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                      • rockman96
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2018
                        • 895

                        #12
                        Very interesting read, thanks for posting. I've been on the 'Nine O Nine' and walked the length of the fuselage... In the bomb bay, you only have a narrow walk board to traverse on. I can't imaging being in-flight and working on / arming an atomic bomb like the quote below describes:

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                        The man in charge of the Hiroshima atomic bomb before its delivery over Japan, Navy officer William Parsons, had seen such crashes. He knew that an atomic-armed B-29 exploding on takeoff could destroy all the facilities on Tinian Island and kill its population of roughly 100,000. He decided that the takeoff would be made with the bomb inactivated by partial disassembly. Only once the takeoff was successful did he make his way into the bomb bay, reinstall the missing parts, and verify they were installed correctly. Then he returned to the forward pressure compartment and closed its hatch.
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                        B-17 bomb bay:
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                        B-17 observation:
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                        • Dragstews
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 13739

                          #13
                          Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                          • farmall
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 9983

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JBinNC
                            And it is my contention that evo base gaskets leak because the rather tall cylinders rock back & forth on the very narrow base, and disturb the gasket. Earlier motors had larger base flanges, and did not have this problem.

                            Jim
                            No doubt in my mind that and failure to use fucking O-rings (one for the base, one for a spigoted oil passage rather than a hole) instead of a gasket is the reason.

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                            WWII aviation enthusiasts should watch this. The footage is magnificent.



                            The 8th AF lost more men in the ETO than the entire USMC lost in the Second World War. Crewing a bomber was also far more dangerous than driving a tank (despite Fury and Belton Coopers understandably biased account, the Armored Force had fewer than two thousand men killed in Europe including troops killed outside their tanks).

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                            • rockman96
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2018
                              • 895

                              #15
                              Those guys had grit and courage, without a doubt. The main vulnerability, I think, was the fact that the fighters just didn't have the needed range to escort them to where they needed to get to. After the fighter had to turn back they were open game.

                              Although I do remember seeing a translated interview with a Luftwaffe pilot who commented how much he hated coming up on the B17's from behind... "It was like trying to make love to a porcupine", he said.

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