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    Default Buying Machine Tools At Auction?

    If you buy something like a lathe or a mill at an auction, they all seem to want a million bucks bond against damages you may cause via "motorized removal" Meaning, crashing into shit with your forklift, I guess?

    How long do you typically have to remove items from the auction site?

    Long enough to physically disassemble them and cart them out?

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    I don't know about the US, but I know there's more than a few people who specialise in removing, transporting and installing machine tools on this side of the Pond. It can get fraught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confab View Post
    If you buy something like a lathe or a mill at an auction, they all seem to want a million bucks bond against damages you may cause via "motorized removal" Meaning, crashing into shit with your forklift, I guess?

    How long do you typically have to remove items from the auction site?

    Long enough to physically disassemble them and cart them out?
    They usually have riggers on-site who can load or even deliver, for a fee of course. I bought my lathe at auction, and the company folks loaded it on a trailer for free, but that does not happen often.

    Jim

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    I bring my rigging tool kit which costs less than paying a rigger, stays attached to the machine from purchase to final placement, and is easy to customize on the fly. Self and bro bring cordless tools, jacks, wooden dunnage etc. Overkill is just right.

    I don't do machinery skates though. I won't use anything reliant on gravity since lathes and mills are tippy and dangerous. BTW when forking machine tools place plywood etc between tool and forklift tines for traction and don't hesitate to cargo strap (use the big ones, not little bikeshit) loads to the fork assembly (the guard is a good place) to control them. Know where the bolt holes are on machine bases at least approximately. Pilot, intermediate and step drill bits are your friends. If I need a specific corded tool I bring my inverter (many sites have no power) and more than enough cord. Take photos aplenty and bring a measuring tape when you go to inspect.

    Most US auctions require shop insurance or similar to drive into the structure so I don't. Instead I brought chains, binders, snatch blocks and used my winch to pull heavy items from outside the building. The auction crew got a kick out out of that and said they rarely saw such forethought. I'm lazy and have a back back so I plan in detail.

    Auctions will have pickup times and dates posted. If not visible, ask. Know what stuff weighs. You can rent hydraulic drop-deck trailers which are sweet for everything they fit. Ensure your mobility kit fits the trailer.

    If considering something post a pic and I can give specific advice. I can afford riggers but they don't give me the safety and control I require.

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    Thanks for the input. And yeah, some of them advertise riggers. But not a lot

    Hate to show up relying on them being on site and end up stuck.

    Basically, I'm trying to put together a little Harley Machine Shop for my own personal use. So, it doesn't have to have all the giant stuff you guys have. I don't have the room for it. It would take a service upgrade. I don't even have room for what I got now, to be honest about it. So, it will be small.

    ...post a pic and I can give specific advice.
    Thank you. I appreciate that a lot. I don't have a pic to post yet, or I would happily take advice from experienced people. I can certainly use it. I'm outside my comfort zone here by a good margin.

    Basically.. I want to find a good deal on a Sunnen benchtop hone. I want about a 3 (ish) foot lathe, a boring machine, and a small mill. (Like a JET) And that is what I will be moving. All the deals are at auctions, so that's where I'll be shopping for them.

    No rush. I am trying to do this on the cheap and I am doing this to satisfy some kind of sick fetish I don't quite understand, as opposed to actually "needing" any of it, anyway. I shouldn't even be buying it. But I'm gonna end up doing it anyway.


    I have about a 10' foot long die table to work with, and that's all the space I have in this building.

    I don't suppose any of you would happen to have a benchtop hone floating around, would you?
    Last edited by confab; 09-04-2021 at 9:54 AM.

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    What I would want, it I was doing it myself, is a Surety Bond for the damages. The bond company agrees to compensate the company if you wreck something. Unlike insurance which will cost you more upfront but pay the full claim, a Surety Bond says once they take care of whatever they are bonding ( you moving the machine), they then come to you to reimburse them for what they paid out, but the bonds are cheap as shit compared to insurance.

    I worked for a Surety company that did construction bonds amongst other things. After about 20 years in the industry I manged to retain a few things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomBuggy View Post
    What I would want, it I was doing it myself, is a Surety Bond for the damages. The bond company agrees to compensate the company if you wreck something. Unlike insurance which will cost you more upfront but pay the full claim, a Surety Bond says once they take care of whatever they are bonding ( you moving the machine), they then come to you to reimburse them for what they paid out, but the bonds are cheap as shit compared to insurance.

    I worked for a Surety company that did construction bonds amongst other things. After about 20 years in the industry I manged to retain a few things.
    EXACTLY... And they want a million bucks (seems to be the average) to run motorized crap around to remove your winnings.

    But, I don't have a fork lift, anyway? I don't have any big, motorized stuff? I guess I could still do damage and be liable, but everything I want is relatively small. I think I could take most of it apart and carry it?

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    The lathe would probably be something a lot like this:

    An ENCO, or similar. (This one is a Grizzley 12x36) Something that does a lot of threading and is extremely versatile.. But not huge. Cause I can't do huge.
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