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  • dsaav
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2019
    • 10

    Bike only starts with chock on after running

    Bike is a '95 1200 with an S&S Super E, paughco upsweeps, and Dynatek 2000i single fire ignition. Everything else on motor is stock. After riding for about 20 minutes I pulled over to get some gas. After fill up the bike won't start unless I have the choke on about halfway for a few seconds. If I leave the choke off to start, it will just turn over even with a little throttle. I have cleaned the carb and jets thoroughly so I don't think its getting clogged. A bike that is warm shouldn’t need the choke on to start it again so that’s what’s confusing me. Would this have anything to do with idle speed/fuel mixture screws being off? Thanks
    Last edited by dsaav; 05-29-2020, 1:41 PM.
  • BadMonkeyMW
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 938

    #2
    Your problem would suggest it's running lean. Keep in mind, the 'choke' on an S&S Super E is actually an enrichener which opens up an extra fuel circuit to give a more rich mixture for starting. What size low speed jet are you running? Also, you could have an intake leak which isn't showing itself until the bike gets hot. That would lean out your mixture. Need some more info to give anymore advice.

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    • dsaav
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2019
      • 10

      #3
      Originally posted by BadMonkeyMW
      Your problem would suggest it's running lean. Keep in mind, the 'choke' on an S&S Super E is actually an enrichener which opens up an extra fuel circuit to give a more rich mixture for starting. What size low speed jet are you running? Also, you could have an intake leak which isn't showing itself until the bike gets hot. That would lean out your mixture. Need some more info to give anymore advice.
      Running a 28 pilot. My intake seals are new I originally had an intake leak but took care of that. How would an intake leak only appear when bike is warm? Thanks

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      • Sky
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 3040

        #4
        Different materials expand at different rates as temperatures rise.
        Some leaks even go away as the bike warms up.

        Throw an eye on vacuum lines too

        Confirm fuel delivery, inspect gas cap to float bowl.

        Heat soak is another possibility.
        do you have the phlolonic spacer installed?

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        • BadMonkeyMW
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 938

          #5
          Originally posted by dsaav
          Running a 28 pilot. My intake seals are new I originally had an intake leak but took care of that. How would an intake leak only appear when bike is warm? Thanks
          In my tuning experience, that 28 is likely too small for a 1200cc engine. I would bump it up to a .295 and see how it reacts. It's easy to change the jet and it should tell you if you're headed in the right direction.

          Good advice from Sky to be sure you're running a phenolic spacer between the carb and the intake manifold and also checking that you're not vacuum locking your tank/fuel line when the bike gets hot.

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          • dsaav
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2019
            • 10

            #6
            The spacer is in. Carb was rebuilt with new gaskets and seals so I don’t think it’s an intake leak. I originally was having fuel delivery issues due to a crappy inline filter that I decided to run without. Seems to run fine but does die at idle if not warmed up thoroughly which might also be due to a small pilot. I’ll try a larger jet and see where that gets me... thanks for the input guys!

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            • Tattooo
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 12407

              #7
              My guess is you have trash in the tank and carb......

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              • dsaav
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2019
                • 10

                #8
                Originally posted by Tattooo
                My guess is you have trash in the tank and carb......
                What makes you think that? That would prove other problems other then just at start up

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                • Tattooo
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 12407

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dsaav
                  What makes you think that? That would prove other problems other then just at start up
                  Not really......

                  Going by what you said..... What makes me think that.... But hell I might be wrong??????

                  Originally posted by dsaav
                  After riding for about 20 minutes I pulled over to get some gas. After fill up the bike won't start unless I have the choke on about halfway for a few seconds. If I leave the choke off to start, it will just turn over even with a little throttle.
                  You said you cleaned the carb.... But did you do a good job?????? Did you also check the tank??????? Are you running a filter???? If so what does it look like?????

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                  • dsaav
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2019
                    • 10

                    #10
                    Cleaned the carb and tank out thoroughly. Blew all passages out in carb with compressed air. I am running a filter on the petcock and that’s it... I might tear it down again and clean it once more because the tank was a little rust. Although I used some evapo-Rust to clean out all the crap that was in there and drained it good. I am gonna start with a bigger jet and see if that helps... appreciate everyone’s input. I’ll post updates when I get this figured out

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                    • Tattooo
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 12407

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dsaav
                      I might tear it down again and clean it once more because the tank was a little rust.
                      Yep just as I figured............

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                      • dsaav
                        Junior Member
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 10

                        #12
                        The .295 slow jet was the fix. Thanks badmonkey she’s running smooth and is starting up much better

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                        • Tattooo
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 12407

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dsaav
                          The .295 slow jet was the fix. Thanks badmonkey she’s running smooth and is starting up much better
                          I'm sure it is since you got the trash out of the carb.....

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                          • dsaav
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 10

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tattooo
                            I'm sure it is since you got the trash out of the carb.....
                            Nope no trash in there it was actually super clean since I had already cleaned the tank and carb prior like I said. Just needed a bigger jet. Easy fix

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                            • Tattooo
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 12407

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dsaav
                              Nope no trash in there it was actually super clean since I had already cleaned the tank and carb prior like I said. Just needed a bigger jet. Easy fix
                              So the jet was the reason it started running bad after you stopped to get gas??????? That's what I was responding to........

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