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  • 69Glide
    Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 80

    #31
    Press the manifold tightly against the heads and feel inside with a fingertip. There should be no (or almost none) ridge where the manifold and the port meet. If they do not line up very closely then the manifold is likely the wrong size. Its hard to tell from the pic but it looks a little short to me.

    If I were building this motor and I didn't want to see it come back with a holed piston I'd install the correct size o-ring style manifold with o-rings and aircraft style clamps and press on.

    I understand that the technical discussion and the budget discussion must come together at some point. But, shovelhead intake manifolds do not leak if they are set up correctly. Do a search on this forum and you will see that intake manifold leaks are a common problem - almost always caused by mismatched parts and someone trying to save a few bucks. Cheap case is engine won't idle or tune and you don't ride the bike, expensive case is you get it running and melt a piston down the road.

    Something to think about.

    Good luck with it.

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    • Dragstews
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 13739

      #32
      You can fill the gaps on the heads with converting rings and run the band type clamps ....



      Had to use them on this build ... The one you see on the left fills the gap of the O-Ring heads, on the right does the same job and adds some length in order to use a manifold that has more of a gap than needed (As in using a stock man. on a stroker motor) ... They are called stroker rings ...
      Last edited by Dragstews; 04-10-2020, 12:52 PM.
      Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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      • Thatguyshawn
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2018
        • 21

        #33
        Originally posted by Dragstews
        You can fill the gaps on the heads with converting rings and run the band type clamps ....



        Had to use them on this build ... The one you see on the left fills the gap of the O-Ring heads, on the right does the same job and adds some leight in order to use a manifold that has more of a gap than needed ... They are called stroker rings ...
        I'm looking at some older discussions on this topic currently here on chopcult, similar fixes have been brought up. I think I'm just going to order a 98" oring manifold and be done with it, one less unknown to worry about.

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        • JBinNC
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2018
          • 2717

          #34
          Originally posted by Thatguyshawn
          I'm looking at some older discussions on this topic currently here on chopcult, similar fixes have been brought up. I think I'm just going to order a 98" oring manifold and be done with it, one less unknown to worry about.
          Good choice. You will need new clamps as well, the oring clamps are smaller than the band clamps.

          Jim

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          • Akamm47
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 161

            #35
            Not trying to hijack here, somewhat similar question related, I have oring intake and heads but the previous owner had the two part style clamps, are these ok to run or should I switch to the stock aircraft type.
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            • Dragstews
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 13739

              #36
              I'm not a fan of those ....

              Aircraft Stainless Steel would be a better choise .. IMO
              Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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              • JBinNC
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2018
                • 2717

                #37
                Originally posted by Dragstews
                I'm not a fan of those ....

                Aircraft Stainless Steel would be a better choise .. IMO
                ^^^ This.

                Jim

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                • 69Glide
                  Member
                  • Jun 2016
                  • 80

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Dragstews
                  I'm not a fan of those ....

                  Aircraft Stainless Steel would be a better choise .. IMO
                  Agree 100% - aircraft stainless clamps are the correct clamp.

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                  • Akamm47
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 161

                    #39
                    Thanks

                    OP, Don't use those style... lol

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                    • 69Glide
                      Member
                      • Jun 2016
                      • 80

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Akamm47
                      Not trying to hijack here, somewhat similar question related, I have oring intake and heads but the previous owner had the two part style clamps, are these ok to run or should I switch to the stock aircraft type.
                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]101886[/ATTACH]

                      Just to be clear the aircraft type are not stock configuration - they are aftermarket.

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                      • Akamm47
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 161

                        #41
                        What were the stock ones?

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                        • JBinNC
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2018
                          • 2717

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Akamm47
                          Not trying to hijack here, somewhat similar question related, I have oring intake and heads but the previous owner had the two part style clamps, are these ok to run or should I switch to the stock aircraft type.
                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]101886[/ATTACH]
                          Note: The original version of this style clamp was a brass casting, no welded tabs, and were of very high quality and good fit. My sorely taxed gray matter seems to recall that they were an Arlen Ness product. I would not hesitate to use those original clamps, they are very good.

                          Jim

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                          • Dragstews
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 13739

                            #43
                            I had a set of Arlen's on the 52, didn't like em cause at the joint they would bunch up the o-ring ...
                            Took them off and installed the 360* SS clamps ...



                            Anyone wants em $50 and their yours ....
                            Last edited by Dragstews; 04-09-2020, 12:10 PM.
                            Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                            • 69Glide
                              Member
                              • Jun 2016
                              • 80

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Akamm47
                              What were the stock ones?
                              Aircraft Type

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                              • Dragstews
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 13739

                                #45
                                Without a doubt acquiring the correct manifold for the build is the way to go ...

                                I tried to do that with this 96" build, but finding a stroker S&S Two Throat manifold was not to be ..
                                That's why the plastic rings was used ...



                                This image show the right side of the manifold using only the conversion ring to fill the gap of where the o-ring would be ..




                                Left side a stroker ring was used (filled the gap of the shorter std man.) manifold is sitting really well up on the head ports, ...



                                When I ordered the clamps from FnA Cutoms, I requested one to be longer for using the stroker ring on one side, they said NP ..

                                Last edited by Dragstews; 04-09-2020, 4:30 PM.
                                Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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