Australia

[Tattooo]

I don't know about you, but between the Cali fires and this it is some scary shit folks

Yes it is.........

[47str8leg]

Global warming logic.

[confab]

One reason California has problems today is poor forest management yesterday..

I wonder if that is part of the issue in Australia?

It is expensive and one of the little things nobody thinks about till there's a gigantic, budget squeezing, fuel load built up.

Doesn't even have to be the fault of the current administration, but they'll get the blame anyway if something sets it off.

[Hoghead]

One reason California has problems today is poor forest management yesterday..

I wonder if that is part of the issue in Australia?

It is expensive and one of the little things nobody thinks about till there's a gigantic, budget squeezing, fuel load built up.

Doesn't even have to be the fault of the current administration, but they'll get the blame anyway if something sets it off.

The amount of native Eucalyptus trees in Australia doesn't help, and has been an issue in California wildfires. I love these trees, and the ones in my garden smell fantastic on a hot summer night. But their sap, dead leaves and bark are flammable, in a fire they literally explode showering flaming debris. The sap, shedded bark ( they shed a lot!) and dead leaves accumulate in vast amounts around them too.

[MOTher]

The problem with the fires in both Australia and California, isn't how they get started. It's because it's drier there than it was in the recent past. Because of climate change, it doesn't rain there as much as it used to. The weather patterns have changed. No amount of raking the forest floor is going to make the trees hold more moisture when there isn't any.

Yes, climate changes on it's own. The vast deserts of the middle east were at one time swamps. All that life that was in those swamps is what turned into all that oil. The very place where I sit (west end of Lake Erie) was covered by a glacier a mere 12,000-15-000 years ago. And 300 years ago the are was known as the great black swamp. Many early settlers died of malaria from the mosquitoes. Man drained the swamp, and now it's a lot of farmland and towns and cities.

But, mankind is causing the climate to change at an accelerated rate. One of the things that used to make me skeptical was trading in carbon credits. Just another scheme for rich people to get richer. But I've come around. The one thing I never hear anyone talk about is the root cause of mankind producing all that CO2. It's overpopulation. There are too many of us on the planet. We won't do anything about it. Nature, however, will.

I will continue to pray for the people, flora and fauna of Australia.

[Hoghead]

The problem with the fires in both Australia and California, isn't how they get started. It's because it's drier there than it was in the recent past. Because of climate change, it doesn't rain there as much as it used to. The weather patterns have changed. No amount of raking the forest floor is going to make the trees hold more moisture when there isn't any.

Yes, climate changes on it's own. The vast deserts of the middle east were at one time swamps. All that life that was in those swamps is what turned into all that oil. The very place where I sit (west end of Lake Erie) was covered by a glacier a mere 12,000-15-000 years ago. And 300 years ago the are was known as the great black swamp. Many early settlers died of malaria from the mosquitoes. Man drained the swamp, and now it's a lot of farmland and towns and cities.

But, mankind is causing the climate to change at an accelerated rate. One of the things that used to make me skeptical was trading in carbon credits. Just another scheme for rich people to get richer. But I've come around. The one thing I never hear anyone talk about is the root cause of mankind producing all that CO2. It's overpopulation. There are too many of us on the planet. We won't do anything about it. Nature, however, will.

I will continue to pray for the people, flora and fauna of Australia.

That's the truth right there...

[confab]

To no one in particular:

If you believe in AGW.. The only real solution is socialism and, frankly, a good bit of totalitarianism.

What AGW means is we can't have growth economies. In fact, they are immoral. Excess is immoral. Entire lifestyles are immoral.

Manufacturing economies and even capitalism itself is immoral. Entire classes of people will be left behind.

This is a very long and winding road. It goes a lot of places.

But I tell you where the first stop is: The first world. And the first stop in the first world should be things which are completely unnecessary. And this is where the people pushing AGW the hardest will fail to meet their own measure, because they want to sell half assed "solutions" and profit from them.. Collecting both printed money from the government rent from the lower classes in perpetuity to "save the planet" Such people imagine themselves giggling all the way to the bank.

But the reality is, when you say the earth itself is at stake? Their entire way of life becomes immoral. It becomes a sin to live in a mansion or own multiple residences, own a private jet or a diesel powered yacht. These are sacrifices they will be unwilling to make and they will all be exposed as utter hypocrites as a direct result.

"Hey, hay.. Uh.. we're gonna ruin your life and future prospects to save the world, while I become rich and maintain a carbon footprint as large as some island nations, and that's cool by me." Simply isn't an acceptable answer.

[confab]

PS: An example -

There are about 7 billion or so people on the planet.

Imagine what happens when Tom Steyer learns for every excess he enjoys in the course of a normal day, the lifestyles of dozens, (perhaps hundreds? depending on the circumstances.) of people in the developing world can be improved, with a net zero increase in carbon emissions?

Of course this argument will apply to us all. But it is the part that our bipartisan ruling class will be most unwilling to accept.

"Private jets for me, ruin for you.. LAWL!!!" Isn't going to sell well.

[Hoghead]

Yeah, well my miniscule carbon footprint doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things, so I think ultimately we are fucked, but I won't be around long enough to see the worst of it. Yes, all the climate issues are ultimately down to over population, but there's no real will to confront what ultimately needs to be done.

[confab]

Yeah, well my miniscule carbon footprint doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things, so I think ultimately we are fucked, but I won't be around long enough to see the worst of it. Yes, all the climate issues are ultimately down to over population, but there's no real will to confront what ultimately needs to be done.

I think it is a giant scam, but if you think it is not, the answers become very significant when the needs and desires of the global population are considered.

Ya know, I mean they want to develop also and have the "Kenyan Dream" and the "Whatever Dream" for wherever they are and, since this whole thing is framed as a moral issue, there is a very good case for forcing the first world to make due with less so others can enjoy an existence even a tenth as opulent as our own middle class.

AND THAT is what guys like Steyer and Bloomberg won't be willing to accept. Bloomberg took a private jet and a motherf______ helicopter to commute to work. Weigh that needless extravagance against the legitimate needs of people in parts of, say.. Africa, to burn fuel to cook their meals with and feed themselves and it becomes obvious that they could live much better at the expense of us all, and it is arguably deeply immoral and selfish to deny them that.

[Hoghead]

Of course they won't , just as more ordinary folk round my way don't care about buying produce air-freighted halfway across the globe, or throwaway cheap fashion garments shipped all the way from China, that they can wear twice then throw away. We've got a celebrity F1 Grand Prix driver here says he's going vegan to save the planet for fucks sake. It's all fucking crazy. Imagine the impact if the Pope just turned round and told his followers they could now use contraception?! But no, I don't think anything effective will be done in time.

[confab]

We've got a celebrity F1 Grand Prix driver here says he's going vegan to save the planet for fucks sake.

LOL!!! I know what you mean.

You can see him there, in his giant mansion.. A race car driver, FFS.. Who flies all over the world WITH HIS CAR AND HIS CREW, to do something completely unnecessary anyway. Munching a piece of celery to "do the right thing"

LAWL! It's like an SNL skit.

[Hoghead]

Just look into the funding sources of East Anglia University. Then compare its output to MIT. The only climate science deniers I know all have one thing in common: tenure in the Climatology Dept. of MIT. Whereas East Anglia gave Joseph Misfud tenure...

Wow-is it ten years since 'climategate'? Didn't know about the Missing Misfud tenure.

[confab]

Never been real impressed with East Anglia. Or any of the alleged experts.

Frankly, all the missed predictions and the prescriptions for a solution are what make me a skeptic.

I just can't convince myself these are serious people trying to solve a serious problem in a serious way.

Others have their view and that is fine.. But for me, till I see Tom Steyer next door to me, living in a Yurt.. With a Chevy spark in the driveway? I'm going to doubt this is an existential threat.

[datadavid]

Fuck globular warming, if hitler was around he would put that greta whore in dachau and send the conspiring jews to fight the fires in australia, like any great leader would.