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    Tip of the iceberg muh man. I went out to the garage and did some detailed measurements off my narrow 12 over springer so that I could draw it up. So I took the as-is bike from above, skipped recreating all the stuff you said youd take off anyway, and started adding the new.

    So with a 12 over springer, just tacked on to the frame as it sits... and with the wheel/tire combo you noted... it'd look like this...

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    It's a pretty long trail at 10.875". But that could be made to work with longer rockers. Or if you're up for it, as others have noted, you chop up the neck and rework the geometry a bit.

    In my book, you leave the neck structure as-is... just add in some sheet metal to box in the odd splice job they did to rake it out... and then bondo it smooth. Make it a molded style chopper neck. That would clean up real easy and look slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeak View Post
    Got the dimensions about an hour ago. Just whipped up the basics. So for those curious... I sent Tippyman this image for the dimensions I needed:

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    He sent me back a list of all 13 measurements. Then I cranked this:

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    What I CAN confirm is that based on this math, the bike is sitting with a 9.5625" trail.

    Cheers.
    Tippyman,
    Now can you post a sideshot photo that shows your bike just like the image that bpeak has "cranked" above...(in post#39)
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    I sent him this one when i sent the measurements.


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    Awesome. Are you sure there ain't a rake between that neck and forks - perhaps with raked cups? To me, with that photo, it almost looks like there may be raked cups in there. Can you confirm rake of the forks and rake of the neck with bike sitting level? BTW, that looks awesome - just go ridin! Have you put some miles on it yet?

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    Using my iphone angle tool, the neck and forks both have a 46* rake. That’s with the bike sitting on flat ground and tires properly inflated.

    Quote Originally Posted by TriNortchopz View Post
    BTW, that looks awesome - just go ridin! Have you put some miles on it yet?
    Looks cool, but for me is so uncomfortable. No miles, but just sitting on it I was like nah, fuck this. Then again, I’m used to apes.
    Last edited by Tippyman; 11-09-2018 at 8:57 AM.

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    Here's my thoughts...

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    I’m home from work today so here’s some pictures of the neck.





    Other than the weird fork stop neck thing, looks ok I suppose.

    Bottom line, what I’ll do is figure out what springer length I want, then rock it as is. If it sucks, out come the frame jig and welder.
    Last edited by Tippyman; 11-09-2018 at 9:48 AM.

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    What are your thoughts? 12 over? 14? 16"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeak View Post
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    Dude, that’s killer! I feel like even at 12” I’d want to bring the trail back some anyway with rockers. What length is this picture?

    I was thinking 16 over with some rockers like this:



    I don’t math good, but will the software tell you length between the axle hole and first arm hole on the rocker? Edit: I guess that depends solely on the design of the rocker, they ain’t all just a straight line. Duh.
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    oh i gotcha. yea that rocker design definitely makes use of longer legs. Here's what that dagger rocker will look like with a 16 over springer. Trail is right at 7.5" which is great too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeak View Post
    oh i gotcha. yea that rocker design definitely makes use of longer legs. Here's what that dagger rocker will look like with a 16 over springer. Trail is right at 7.5" which is great too.

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    That shit looks dope as fuck. Any idea on rocker dimensions?

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    Shit looks pretty sick how it is. 12" over looks good too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippyman View Post
    That shit looks dope as fuck. Any idea on rocker dimensions?
    I have zero experience with this shape rocker... but here's what's in the CAD file now...

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    Then again, I’m used to apes.
    I hate those stock buckhorns too.

    Place your hands in the range apes would cover to see what sort of apes you would prefer and you'll get a better idea.

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    Im converting to a belt drive and want to cut the primary cases open while retaining the stock starter/trans. Any issues with cutting the inner/outer primary covers like this? Obviously Id retain the trans bearing and support for the starter bearing. Are there issues with the trans and engine being seperated? Like belt alignment and whatnot?


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    What trans are you running?? What trans mounting bolts does your trans have? It makes a difference...

    You should have any problems cutting your primary like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tattooo View Post
    What trans are you running?? What trans mounting bolts does your trans have? It makes a difference...

    You should have any problems cutting your primary like that...
    It’s the stock shovel 5 speed. (FXRT)

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    Started tearing into things. The dual tanks meant there was a big unwieldy mounting bracket welded onto the frame. That had to go to make room for the peanut tank. Got all the wiring off the bike, cut the bracket off and ground down the backbone.






    Took the oil tank and lines off too, it had some fake AN lines that I hated, so I'll route some regular rubber lines unless I think of a more creative solution.
    Last edited by Tippyman; 12-31-2018 at 11:08 PM.

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    For comparison..... Here's a snapshot of my '59 panshovel. Frame is a Paughco 40 DEGREE rake.
    Front end is 12" OVER. Front of bike sits slightly higher than the rear.

    If Your frame has 46 degree rake, I think a 16" over fork would sit similar to
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    * front wheel is a 19" and it looks like Your bike is also running a 19" on front.
    Last edited by Revelator; 01-01-2019 at 11:44 AM.

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