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    First thing is perform a thorough external inspection and a compression or better a leakdown test to determine top end condition. Either tool is reasonable online. (Get proficient at online research and parts shopping. You have a shitload of (interesting) reading ahead.

    Originally Posted by babysfirstbike86
    I believe it's registered as your mom
    Then it's had many rods thrown in it. Inspect the bottom end for impact damage and excessive play.

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    Got 5 frames sitting in a warehouse 8.1 miles from you in Inglewood ...
    That would be 26 minutes driving time for you ....
    (As long as you don't get behind OJ)
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    Then it's had many rods thrown in it. Inspect the bottom end for impact damage and excessive play.

    Sounds as if you been there, done that ... !!!! .... Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    First thing is perform a thorough external inspection and a compression or better a leakdown test to determine top end condition. Either tool is reasonable online. (Get proficient at online research and parts shopping. You have a shitload of (interesting) reading ahead.
    farmall forgot to say the very first thing is ..... Get a primary/clutch on the critter so you can perform the tests ....
    Last edited by Dragstews; 07-29-2018 at 6:04 AM.

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    Hey I’m not a heckler...I just do “extreme vetting”

    So if Christa has a strong stomach and weak mind...she can study the trials and tribulations of buying a total shitbox and then doing something with it....by reading the thread

    http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44027

    Helen Keller would’ve had this done a year ago. I’m just a mongoloid who should have all my tools repossessed but I do get some miles in so there’s that.

    And, If that wasn’t gut wrenching enough to read then you can delve into the infamous “my first Shovel” thread which is rife with sodomy, animal lust, incessant oil leaks and a deep biker bonding experience. It has driven other forum members to insanity, suicide and a few gender reassignments. You have been warned!!!!

    http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showth...ghlight=Shovel


    Sorry...

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    hmmmm a girl shovelheader. ive not seen that before. mite improve the scenery and attitude around here.

    maybe if you trogs would learn some manners,take a shower once in awhile and not use 50wt like hair gel we would have a few more.

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    She said she wants to get it to run ....

    Well, do think it had a mag on it cause I do see a long stud in the case for running a Joe Hunt ....
    Going back to a Mag might not be the best thing to do at the moment due to how hard they are to kickstart ...
    Better get a battery ign. in it for now...

    Looks like all the primary parts will be needed...
    Instead of going to a chain drive as what Harley ran on it back in the day, best to install a belt drive... If you intend to run a primary cover you will need the 1.5" belt.. Can run a 2" or 3" but those will be a open belt drive..
    You will need to order it to fit 54 and back year models..
    A clutch will be needed .... Barnett would have all parts to complete that area of needs..

    Pushrods ..... Need a photo of your lifters in order to make the call on what you will be in need of there..
    The 48 to 52 tappets would be a fine choice to be running cause they are easy to adjust... I'm sure whatever is there now will be solid's cause the 52 and back motors don't support hyd. lifters ....

    Clean the carb (May need to kit it), new o-rings and clamps on the intake, change the oil and a few kicks should do it...

    Forgot ... Change the oil in the tranny while your at it...
    Last edited by Dragstews; 07-31-2018 at 6:15 PM.

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    Hey! I don't even know what a mag is. I'll look into it. As for the primary, why don't I want a chain? I was thinking of doing as much as I can with original parts and I like the closed primary for it. I know open is cooler but I'm already so uncool...

    I also definitely want a kicker! I already bruised the bejesus out of my leg just bumping into it when I threw my leg over, but for done reason I just want things to be more difficult.

    : )
    Still open to ideas, just culling info at this point.
    Thank you!

    Christa

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    It looks like you got a good score. Were you able to get any history on it?

    Here's an original sales brochure for 1952:
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    https://justpanhead.com/wp-content/u..._brochure5.jpg

    Looks like it is important to check that the engine is mounted correctly:
    Motor Mount, how-to
    "...I constantly see pan cases with repairs to the front (usually) or rear mounts. I have heard or read that some shimming is or may be required, but how do you judge what is needed, front mount first, rear mount first, top mount??..."

    Answers include:
    "Tighten the (complete motor, not just short-block) rear mount bolts. Use a feeler gauge to determine if one side of the other front tabs have a gap. Either cut off the feeler blade and trim it as it sits, or order a small range of shim stock from http://mcmastercarr.com/
    Note: the top motor mount on a Panhead (only) has a bit of free-space between the top mount-to-cylinder head fingers. This will allow the top motor mount (which may still need extra shim stock) to fit parallel to the top frame mount tab."

    "Don't forget to shim the top motor mount also, between frame and upper motor mount, most need some..."

    "...Make sure the top motor mount is parallel to the frame motor mount, and not bent inward by improper installation..."

    "All this goes for the transmission too..."

    See more here from the Panhead and Flathead site:
    http://www.hydra-glide.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=2252

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    The above photo is a bone stock 52 Panhead ..^^

    Here is my 52 ....



    Inside the chrome Oem (Re-pop) primary is a 11mm belt....
    About 10lbs of slinging weight be gone, also what's gone is oil leaking from the chain oiler....
    Last edited by Dragstews; 07-29-2018 at 5:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babysfirstbike86 View Post
    ...Hello everyone! Thanks very much for the support. I really don't know what I have... I mean I've been talking to a lot of people and doing research, but sometimes I don't even know what I'm looking at. Once it's pointed out (say, for example, the difference between a 48 and a 55) I can see it, but it's really hard to start from scratch. Also it's really, really fun. I just now figured out how to post pictures. Let me know if you can see this one and I'll post more.
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    This may be the front wheel ya got there:
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    Marvic Campagnolo 5 Spoke Motorcycle Wheels for Ducati
    In 1973 the Italian Campagnolo marketed the first "real" monolithic motorcycle wheel with a five-spoke, cross-section design...
    https://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Mar...ls-Suzuki.html

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    My homeboy Drags sold me this OEM replica 1952 frame manufactured by Swedish metal gods. I at first made a horrible misstep and got a “replica” frame made by dirty Chinese hacks. Cough cough VTWIN cough cough. I sent that turd right back to the rice paddy from which it was spawned. Then Drags opened my eyes to a new way. My Swedish made frame is perfect in every way if your goin the “return to original-ish” route. If your gonna have a dirty chopper then......I dunno.



    Tins line up perfectly. I like the babyshit green color...my fav



    This is bike is being built to sorta look like a 52....but with concessions to modern electronics I have 12v electrics, electronic auto advance ignition, as well as an enclosed belt primary.

    Doing a nice dual exhaust with cigar mufflers.....it’s gonna look sound and run great

    It’ll look like this when done, just in babyshit green

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    Well now ......

    That tidbit of info was most enlightening for seeing, close back to the day, how Harley did it .... Pretty dad-gum sweet looks the old models had...
    The world of custom takes it into another dimension ... My 52 is in that class, not built back to stock looks, did my own thing one might say.

    Your bike can go either way ... You got raw clay in your hands, what you do with it is a personal thing, make it yours with what you want it to look like...

    ....................... Mild to Wild ........................

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    Bbcute, that color is killer! I am going through those old posts and the Chinese fun you had way back when... what a bunch of craziness. I'm always encouraged to know people spend (and are totally fine with) blowing years on a project like this. I'm in no rush at all, so it's good to see the trials and errors and errors others have encountered.

    Drags, that frame is really cool. I have a few questions. First is why don't I want an original one? Are they just crazy expensive? Also, will the frame be much higher than it is now? What was sort of beautiful about this bike is I have never ever sat on a bike and felt it fit me. This sucker is low and heavy and I'm comfortable on it (save for the angle of that weird copper seat). I don't love the frame, but I don't want to make a bike look right just for scrutiny's sake when I'm going to end up with something I can barely get my leg over.

    Since you know your bikes are or are built to look like 52s, is mine going to be in the same category just by default? I'm finally seeing the differences but I'm still wonky on the whys and hows.
    Drags, that bike is just beautiful. I'd love to get somewhere between if yours had a baby with a low and fat chop job. A little ugly, a little beautiful, if that makes sense. I'm also reading about parkerizing- that looks fun! Considering that process for a part here and there. I'm still not sure about in the long run replacing the weird handmade homemade parts, but I would be up for switching them out for stock. I figure some yupster would go for the brass and copper stuff.

    Pictures in a minute...

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    There's plenty of time to choose a style after rebuilding the drivetrain, which it probably needs so don't be surprised. If not, be happy.

    Me bad for not mentioning ya need a primary drive for compression tests. You do NOT need anything but the engine for a leakdown test. You can leakdown test on your workbench before teardown then after rebuild for reference. Have a convenient, safe way to handle engines so you don't damage your back or drop expensive parts.

    http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50752

    If you build it with low static compression and a longer duration cam it will be easy to kick start (most of the time). I could hand start the last Shovel I built that way. Bottom ends live longer too and low compression tolerates shitty fuel well. HD didn't spec soft compression by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner1965 View Post
    hmmmm a girl shovelheader. ive not seen that before. mite improve the scenery and attitude around here.

    maybe if you trogs would learn some manners,take a shower once in awhile and not use 50wt like hair gel we would have a few more.
    Hah!! Happy to be here. Luckily we still haven't invented smell-o-vision...

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    There's plenty of time to choose a style after rebuilding the drivetrain, which it probably needs so don't be surprised. If not, be happy.

    Me bad for not mentioning ya need a primary drive for compression tests. You do NOT need anything but the engine for a leakdown test. You can leakdown test on your workbench before teardown then after rebuild for reference. Have a convenient, safe way to handle engines so you don't damage your back or drop expensive parts.

    http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50752

    If you build it with low static compression and a longer duration cam it will be easy to kick start (most of the time). I could hand start the last Shovel I built that way. Bottom ends live longer too and low compression tolerates shitty fuel well. HD didn't spec soft compression by accident.
    I was responding to the link. I am dumb!
    That's all crazy. I'll keep an eye out for something near me. I still need a better workshop space to move the bike to before I get all mad max on it.
    I LOVE the idea of the low static compression. Now I have more homework! That sounds like something I definitely want to do. Especially since I'd be able to start it somewhat relatively easier.

    I did go to a shop here and have the guy looking for a the primary set up, push rods and tubes, coil (the only thing I want new), and... something else I already forgot about. I'm also a mad ebayer and have found things I want to buy but need to make sure they're going to work on my bike. I also don't want to go crazy getting parts if the thing isn't going to purr. But I think it will : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriNortchopz View Post
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    I never even thought about that wheel! It's actually off the bike and rocking around in the bed of my truck right now. I've replaced it temporarily with this one. Still not sure what I want, but I bought two dunlop white wall tires off a heritage softail, and they threw in a couple of these harley tires. I have a LOT of switching of tires and wheels to do. The drag tire on the back is slowly growing on me, maybe only because it's mine.
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    Can anyone see these? I can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babysfirstbike86 View Post
    Can anyone see these? I can't.
    Nope

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    Wow that's annoying. The advanced view preview page thingy shows them, the posted one doesn't. Then when I quote the page it doubles the pics. Just use your imaginations...
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