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  • Cmonster13
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2017
    • 15

    ratchet top completely backwards.. wtf.

    Ok, so Ive got a 78 fxs I chopped this winter and I just took took her on the maiden voyage when I realized something was super dicked up in the tranny.(no pun intended) 4th gear is where 1st should be and neutral is between 3rd and 4th. so my shift pattern is 4,n,3,2,1. how does that happen! I haven't had the transmission apart at all but is there any way the drum could just be on backwards? need some advice.
  • Dragstews
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 13739

    #2
    The shifter arm on the ratchet lid can be changed out ...

    How bout a photo of what's on your bike ... ??

    As far as neutral being between 3rd and 4th sure sounds like problems with the drum detent or fork spacing ..???
    Last edited by Dragstews; 07-25-2018, 9:04 AM.
    Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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    • Tattooo
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 12407

      #3
      If it has a ratchet lid put the arm on the bottom if it's on the top now or visa versa.....

      If it's a cow pie which it could be either one do what Jesse said but a pic would be damn nice....

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      • Cmonster13
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2017
        • 15

        #4
        I'll post pictures here in a bit.

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        • Tattooo
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2012
          • 12407

          #5
          Originally posted by Cmonster13
          I'll post pictures here in a bit.
          Do you happen to know what trans you have?? It's real easy to tell......

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          • Cmonster13
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2017
            • 15

            #6
            Originally posted by Tattooo
            Do you happen to know what trans you have?? It's real easy to tell......
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            • Cmonster13
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2017
              • 15

              #7
              it has a ratchet lid on it. I posted a picture but its kind of crappy.

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              • woz
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2012
                • 241

                #8
                FX and FL lids are different

                Copied from another site

                "The shift pattern on both bikes is one down three up. However... the shifter drums are different. The shifter drum for a FL is designed for the shift linkage to be connected to the lower side of the drum to achieve the one down, three up pattern. The FX drum is reversed, but the linkage is also reversed (connects to the top of the drum). So with both parts reversed, you still have the one down, three up pattern.

                Bottom line, the FX and FL drum are reversed, but since the linkage is also reversed you end up with the same shift pattern."

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                • Dragstews
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 13739

                  #9
                  How the shifter set up....??

                  Does it still goes though the primary or it has been moved forward ... ??




                  VT No: 17-9766
                  OEM No: 34019-73
                  Transmission shifter cam with a 1 down 3 up pattern.
                  Fits:
                  FL 1952-1978
                  FX 1971-1978



                  VT No: 17-0208
                  OEM No: 34006-74
                  Transmission shifter cam has a 1 up 3 down pattern
                  Fits:
                  FX 1974-1984
                  Last edited by Dragstews; 07-25-2018, 9:15 AM.
                  Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                  • Cmonster13
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 15

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dragstews
                    How the shifter set up....??

                    Does it still goes though the primary or it has been moved forward ... ??
                    im running an open primary with no inner. foot clutch and a shifter handle attached right to the ratchet top.

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                    • Dragstews
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 13739

                      #11
                      Shoot, being it's set up as a jockie shift, don't see it causing a problem with the pattern ..

                      But having neutral in between 3rd and 4th would call for a look-see....!!

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                      If your budget could handle it ....

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                      Baker makes a lid with a cool patten ... N-1-2-3-4
                      Last edited by Dragstews; 07-25-2018, 9:34 AM.
                      Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                      • Cmonster13
                        Junior Member
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 15

                        #12
                        Originally posted by woz
                        FX and FL lids are different

                        Copied from another site

                        "The shift pattern on both bikes is one down three up. However... the shifter drums are different. The shifter drum for a FL is designed for the shift linkage to be connected to the lower side of the drum to achieve the one down, three up pattern. The FX drum is reversed, but the linkage is also reversed (connects to the top of the drum). So with both parts reversed, you still have the one down, three up pattern.

                        Bottom line, the FX and FL drum are reversed, but since the linkage is also reversed you end up with the same shift pattern."

                        I don't think you're understanding my post. it doesn't have anything to do with the one up 3 down. I cannot get to first gear unless I take it all the way to where 4th gear should be. I don't care what direction I would have to go rather it be one up 3 down or one down 3 up. I just need to know why 4th gear is the first thing I hit.

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                        • Cmonster13
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 15

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dragstews
                          Shoot, being it's set up as a jockie shift, don't see it causing a problem with the pattern ..

                          But having neutral in between 3rd and 4th would call for a look-see....!!

                          yea man, I'm lost. never heard of anything like it. I guess I'll have to take it to someone with more knowledge than me. lol

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                          • Dragstews
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 13739

                            #14
                            Take another look at post # 11 .....

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                            The Baker lid will bolt right down on your Oem case....
                            Would have the need to check fork spacing ...
                            Last edited by Dragstews; 07-25-2018, 9:46 AM.
                            Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                            • Cmonster13
                              Junior Member
                              • Dec 2017
                              • 15

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dragstews
                              Shoot, being it's set up as a jockie shift, don't see it causing a problem with the pattern ..

                              But having neutral in between 3rd and 4th would call for a look-see....!!

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                              If your budget could handle it ....

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                              Baker makes a lid with a cool patten ... N-1-2-3-4
                              Thats actually pretty cool. I'll have to check that out. I Just wish I knew what was up with mine.

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