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    Quote Originally Posted by afraziaaaa View Post
    I knew that would get a few tight panties in here.

    Guns are pointless and people suck, those are the only comments I stand by. The rest was bullshit for my own entertainment.

    I don't know what the solution is to our gun problem. Whatever it is, probably isn't a reasonable one because people aren't reasonable.
    Everything is pointless.

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    One solution that next to no one talks about is to stop handing out psych medication like candy. Just saw an article online that said that something like 35 of the past school shooters were on or withdrawing from some type of anti psychotic medication (such as prozac.) one of the side effects of these drugs is "homocidal ideation." Here is a link to the article I found: https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/. As you can see, this is an article by a group called the CCHR, this is the mission statement taken from their website- The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) is a non-profit, non-political, non-religious mental health industry watchdog whose mission is to eradicate abuses committed under the guise of mental health. We work to ensure patient and consumer protections are enacted and upheld as there is rampant abuse in the field of mental health. In this role, CCHR has helped to enact more than 180 laws protecting individuals from abusive or coercive mental health practices since it was formed over 48 years ago. I am not familiar with this group, but it seems like it is a watchdog for psychiatrists, not a shill for the gun or pharmaceutical lobby. While I am not an NRA fanboy, I have a very low opinion on the american pharmaceutical industry. They outspend the NRA in lobbying considerably.

    Enough about all that. One thing more on topic here. Recently the federal government has been talking about national reciprocity for concealed carry. To me (and a friend of mine who is an avid gun enthusiast agrees) the reasonable approach to this to me would be to have federal standards for a concealed carry permit, and to issue a federal concealed carry permit. We have standards for a drivers license that allow us to drive in any state, why should carrying a weapon be any different? That's my $.02 on all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillSCB View Post
    One solution that next to no one talks about is to stop handing out psych medication like candy. Just saw an article online that said that something like 35 of the past school shooters were on or withdrawing from some type of anti psychotic medication (such as prozac.) one of the side effects of these drugs is "homocidal ideation." Here is a link to the article I found: https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/. As you can see, this is an article by a group called the CCHR, this is the mission statement taken from their website- The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) is a non-profit, non-political, non-religious mental health industry watchdog whose mission is to eradicate abuses committed under the guise of mental health. We work to ensure patient and consumer protections are enacted and upheld as there is rampant abuse in the field of mental health. In this role, CCHR has helped to enact more than 180 laws protecting individuals from abusive or coercive mental health practices since it was formed over 48 years ago. I am not familiar with this group, but it seems like it is a watchdog for psychiatrists, not a shill for the gun or pharmaceutical lobby. While I am not an NRA fanboy, I have a very low opinion on the american pharmaceutical industry. They outspend the NRA in lobbying considerably.

    Enough about all that. One thing more on topic here. Recently the federal government has been talking about national reciprocity for concealed carry. To me (and a friend of mine who is an avid gun enthusiast agrees) the reasonable approach to this to me would be to have federal standards for a concealed carry permit, and to issue a federal concealed carry permit. We have standards for a drivers license that allow us to drive in any state, why should carrying a weapon be any different? That's my $.02 on all of this.
    And concealed carry should show up as an endorsement on your drivers license. If passing a background showed up there it would sure be harder to sell to the mentally ill and criminals then claim ignorance.

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    If we want to continue to allow the private ownership of guns then we need to make those who own them responsible.

    Commit a crime while in the possession of a firearm, automatic death penalty, no exceptions, no appeals. And make the execution a public firing squad, I absolutely guarantee that after the fourth or fifth televised execution it will slow down gun violence.

    And if someone uses your gun in a crime, you swing right there next to them. ( possible exception for reported burglaries )

    With great power comes great responsibility, and a firearm is about as great a power as most men will ever see.

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    People commit crime don’t think they’re going to get caught. Sentencing now ain’t no joke, crime still exists. death penalty is a huge cost on the taxpayer, innocent people get convicted.....

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    Not sure about other states, but here in Hellinois, we are required to possess a FOID (firearm owner identification card) to buy or own a firearm or ammunition. That's great, IF you're a law abiding citizen. I'm all for a national back ground check before a purchase is made. I like the idea of the national CCL with one license good in all 50 states. From there, things get kinda gray. More laws just mean its tougher for law abiding people to buy or own. Its sort of a cliché now, but you hear it often, If gun laws work, why don't we make murder illegal? Yes, we all know it already is. And we all know it still happens. Laws aren't always the answer.

    I'll reference my area again. The local animal shelter requires that if you're adopting a new dog, that the staff meet the entire family that will be living in the house with the dog. Especially any kids. I've purchased a shit ton of firearms, and for a while even had my federal dealer license. No where on any form or requirement is there anything that says, lets meet the whole family, and by that, we mean the kids. That would be a perfect time to stress that, while its your constitutional right to own a boom stick, its your responsibility as a parent to make sure your kids, your neighbor kids, and any other dumb shit kid who enters your house will never have access to your firearms. The recent string of mass shootings have a majority of them committed by kids, using mom or dad's guns. Before kids, I kept any firearm I owned hidden somewhere in the house, hoping if there was ever a break in while I was away, that the guns wouldn't be found. When my first kid came, literally, she was still a lump in a bassinet, not even crawling, much less walking, I purchased a gun safe. I have 4 kids, now all young adults, most have moved out, and not a single one of them have access to any of my firearms. Its also a lot safer when I leave home knowing that while not impossible, its not going to be an easy task to steal those guns.

    Here's my thoughts.
    1. Its your constitutional right to own. BUT its should be AFTER you've taken a class, or served your country in the military, and have an idea of safe handling and responsibility as a gun owner.
    2. Sure, you're allowed to buy. You've completed your class, now, what's your plan on storage? You got kids in the house. Putting it under your mattress or on a shelf up in the closet is not an option. Prove you have a means of securing the gun, and you'll be allowed to own one.
    3. Any parent who allowed access to a firearm used in a mass shooting by their child will forfeit the right to own any firearm in the future. They will also be held accountable as an accessory to the crime their kid committed with a firearm if they cannot prove they made every reasonable attempt to prohibit access to that firearm from the kid.
    4. How about we run prisons like what a prison should be. Not a country club with TVs and exercise equipment. Truth in sentencing laws. Most rights forfeited while incarcerated. You get a cell, food, a uniform, and that's where you sit, 24/7, until your sentence is served. Period. Make it the deterrent it should be.
    5. Ban the media from divulging the names of shooters, so notoriety is not a reason to commit these shootings. "I'll be famous" should not be a reason.
    6. Murder is a mandatory life sentence. I don't care about cost. My safety is worth every penny. My wife and kids safety is worth every penny. You pull a trigger, someone dies, after its been proven beyond that reasonable doubt that you did it, Good bye. Get in the cell and shut the fuck up. No, I oppose the death penalty, but not because its inhumane. I want that fucker to sit in a cell and think about what he or she did for the rest of their miserable life. And I want it miserable.
    7. If you are being treated for a mental disorder, how about giving up those firearms for awhile? If you can be cured, they're returned. If not, maybe you shouldn't have one. For your own safety, and the safety of others. Someone in your house being treated? Where's the gun safe? Who has access? Again, better safe than sorry.
    8. NO GUN FREE ZONES!!. That's just a sign on a building that lets the shooters know that all the law abiding citizens inside will be unarmed and unable to stop any shooting. If you as a businessman want to make your place of business a mandatory gun free zone, you'd better also have armed guards on the payroll. If you're demanding I leave my protection outside, you'd better assume the roll of protecting those inside.

    Door to door confiscation would NEVER work. The, "when they pry it from my cold dead hands" mentality would lead to lots of bloodshed. And, unless you have as many National Guard members as there are non members, the plan would never work. As soon as my neighbor down the street was getting searched and weapons were being taken, mine would be hidden or moved. Nope, no guns in my house, have a nice day, thanks for stopping by. If you can't search every house and business AT THE SAME TIME, it would never work.

    While I agree with the nationwide federal CCL, I don't think it should show up on a regular drivers license. I have to show that ID in far too many places. The whole idea of CCL is to NOT broadcast you may be carrying. You become the first target. Show your drivers license to the zit faced kid who's planning on shooting up the place of business you just entered, and produced an ID for some reason, you're on his list, at the top of it, because he knows you may be armed. Separate license, no reason to notify any of the idiots around you that you may be packing.

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    welp...OK... good. We solved that problem, now on to another big issue.

    Should sex robots be dishwasher safe for cleaning or is that too gross?
    Maybe just the garden hose.

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    Do not confuse privileges with RIGHTS. Adopting a dog or having a drivers license
    is a privilege---owning a firearm is a Constitutional RIGHT and can only be amended by a specified Constitutional
    amendment process, not by the stroke of a pen of senators and congressmen.
    No need for door to door confiscation---all that needs to be done is find out who has
    gone through the background check process and then notify those people that their drivers license or any other
    license they may possess (contractor, realtor,etc.) will be suspended until they turn in ALL their firearms.The few
    that bought guns through private sales before background checks really would not matter much because now
    private sale of ammo and ammo components would be banned. Shooting ranges would be closed for EPA reasons
    (indoor) and sky high insurance rates (outdoor),also no more shooting on National Forest Land.
    Concealed Carry Licenses are just another way to get names on a list and those licenses
    can easily be done away with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    welp...OK... good. We solved that problem, now on to another big issue.

    Should sex robots be dishwasher safe for cleaning or is that too gross?
    Maybe just the garden hose.
    If they are dishwasher safe, we run into problems of serviceability, cost of ownership and lack of lifelike feel.

    My vote is for hand wash only, because the market won't bear the cost of dishwasher safe sex robots. I think smaller toys are the limit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nofendertom View Post
    Concealed Carry Licenses are just another way to get names on a list and those licenses can easily be done away with.

    Yes sir..... I've said that for years.... They have a list of people that have guns...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nofendertom View Post
    Do not confuse privileges with RIGHTS. Adopting a dog or having a drivers license
    is a privilege---owning a firearm is a Constitutional RIGHT and can only be amended by a specified Constitutional
    amendment process, not by the stroke of a pen of senators and congressmen.

    I was making a point that in my area, there were more rules to adopting a dog than there were to legally purchasing a firearm. I have zero confusion between a right and a privilege. But as further comparison, I'd rather have a parent with kids at home taking proper safety measures with their firearms, than worrying how a kid may treat the new dog. I have yet to read any stories where a disgruntled employee or a high school student brought a dangerous dog to school in a back pack, and killed multiple people with it, because the parents forgot or never locked the dog up. Its a constitutional right, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't exercise some responsibilities when owning a firearm. I've already established I believe in the 2nd, and, I do so responsibly and safely, as everyone should. If everyone did, I'm thinking this post would be non existent


    No need for door to door confiscation---all that needs to be done is find out who has
    gone through the background check process and then notify those people that their drivers license or any other
    license they may possess (contractor, realtor,etc.) will be suspended until they turn in ALL their firearms.The few
    that bought guns through private sales before background checks really would not matter much because now
    private sale of ammo and ammo components would be banned. Shooting ranges would be closed for EPA reasons
    (indoor) and sky high insurance rates (outdoor),also no more shooting on National Forest Land.

    A very small percentage of the firearms I own were purchased after the back ground checks went into effect. I think the number of firearms in existence would still be in the millions that were purchased before those checks. And ask yourself, if you own a firearm, how much ammo do you already have. Yeah, I know, never enough, LOL, but, quite a few gun owners are also owners of large amounts of ammo. Not to mention home reloading equipment.
    Concealed Carry Licenses are just another way to get names on a list and those licenses
    can easily be done away with.
    Yep. But again, having a license does NOT tell them how many, if any, firearms you currently own, nor does the lack of a CCL prohibit you from owning a firearm. It becomes a means to legally carry in states that do not allow open carry. Again, in Hellinois, every firearm owner is required to possess a FOID card. No card, gun in home, you're breaking the law. No card, no ammo purchases. That card too can be revoked. Actually, its in the news right now since the fucking waffle house shooter lived in Hellinois, 20 minutes from where I'm at right now. He had his card revoked, but his stupid ass father returned all his guns when he moved out of state. Dad should be held accountable. That kid had many documented mental issues and should have never had a firearm in his possession.

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    I don't know about you guys but growing up there was one kid in church, and maybe one or two at school, that had severe anger problems--either mental or environmental. One friend of my mom's couldn't wait until her son moved out so she could "have walls and doors again." Where's that kid now? Prison. There was a doc on HBO about parents of these kids, they have the bare bones resources but they either don't commit the kid long enough to state hospital or they can't find a bed, say if they're committed through the ER. A lot of them were sent home early due to budget despite the hospital's recommendation.

    Then, when the kid becomes 18 he's criminally liable and is sent off to prison, not the state mental hospital. One of the kids requested to be sent to the state hospital, they couldn't find an open bed so he was sent home. The next day he shot his dad, a state senator, and then himself.

    I just thought it's the low-hanging fruit that needs to be taken care of before we start looking at gun laws. The mentally ill need a place to go and right now prison is the only option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaking View Post
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    I just thought it's the low-hanging fruit that needs to be taken care of before we start looking at gun laws. The mentally ill need a place to go and right now prison is the only option.
    Actually another option is the hospital. My wife is a nurse.
    The cops won't keep them in their cells so they drop them off at the hospital where nurses (usually females) have to deal with them. The local mental hospital plays pick&choose, taking who they want and making excuses for not taking trouble-makers or people with no ins. Even other hospitals are known to claim they have no room (beds) for some of the hardcore problem patients. Should my wife have to put up with being spit on, bitten, punched because the cops can't deal with it?

    Basically you're right about the prison thing though and that's happening because they are a profitable business. The state and Feds are pressured by Republicans to not raise or even reduce taxes so there will never be enough facilities or staff to help the crazies.
    It's all about the money, right Tattoo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    welp...OK... good. We solved that problem, now on to another big issue.

    Should sex robots be dishwasher safe for cleaning or is that too gross?
    Maybe just the garden hose.
    Well, if we can build a robot to fuck, we should be able to build another that's able to clean the first one. Of course, to avoid competition, we should make sure the cleaning robot is a eunuch. We don't need to wake up and find that both the sex bot and the cleaning bot have run off together. Right there's a futuristic country song if I ever heard one.

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    RickG61---We are both on the same page---my rantings are of the "It could happen variety." Remember
    these types of forums will also be scoured for info. I believe the penalties for gun related crimes should
    be harsher and not dropped just so they can get a conviction for something else. Also, parents or anyboby
    (relative or not) who gives access to a gun to anybody (relative or not) should be held responsible for
    that persons actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nofendertom View Post
    Do not confuse privileges with RIGHTS. Adopting a dog or having a drivers license
    is a privilege---owning a firearm is a Constitutional RIGHT and can only be amended by a specified Constitutional
    amendment process, not by the stroke of a pen of senators and congressmen.
    No need for door to door confiscation---all that needs to be done is find out who has
    gone through the background check process and then notify those people that their drivers license or any other
    license they may possess (contractor, realtor,etc.) will be suspended until they turn in ALL their firearms.The few
    that bought guns through private sales before background checks really would not matter much because now
    private sale of ammo and ammo components would be banned. Shooting ranges would be closed for EPA reasons
    (indoor) and sky high insurance rates (outdoor),also no more shooting on National Forest Land.
    Concealed Carry Licenses are just another way to get names on a list and those licenses
    can easily be done away with.
    I disagree rights are not granted by a piece of paper or government, only restricted by tyrants. If men are equal, none are superior and all authority is illegitimate. I think the Declaration of Independence sums it up more eloquently than I could; life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights everyone born has. obviously your rights don’t supersede others, that is authority. Owning a dog sure seems to be a right, unless of course dogs have rights....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillcat View Post
    It's all about the money, right Tattoo?

    Damn right that's all it's about....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nofendertom View Post
    RickG61---We are both on the same page---my rantings are of the "It could happen variety." Remember
    these types of forums will also be scoured for info. I believe the penalties for gun related crimes should
    be harsher and not dropped just so they can get a conviction for something else. Also, parents or anyboby
    (relative or not) who gives access to a gun to anybody (relative or not) should be held responsible for
    that persons actions.
    I agree with some parts of most of the responses in this thread, that's why I've just watched the conversation go. But this I agree with 100% if access is given. I have heard people talking about holding people accountable even if the gun is legitimately stolen, as in safe was removed from home etc. that the gun owner is responsible for the crime committed because "he allowed their guns to be stolen" to me that's asinine. Now for my rant,


    I grew up in a house with guns that weren't locked up, they were just inside the closet and only the 12ga was loaded. But my Dad didn't treat it as some taboo or some toy, we knew what they could do and were taught how to use them and how to respect them. Never once in my childhood do I ever remember thinking about grabbing them and doing anything. I will also add to this, I was somewhat a bullied kid and had anger issues but learned to fight and started throwing punches and the bullies stopped. I feel its everyone's right to feel safe in their own home whether that takes a firearm or not is up to that individual. Spending time in the Marine Corps and trips overseas showed me what true evil was and it isn't the devil its in fellow man. I carry, because lets face it there are people who will rob you and shoot or kill you for $5 and I'll be damned if I go out that way. So Its rather funny to me, that after these tragedies a bunch of uninformed people from white picket fence Pleasantville neighborhoods who have never had a gun pulled on them, and the politicians whom are protected by ARMED security are going to tell me how I can protect myself, my property, and my loved ones based on a knee jerk reaction and their emotion rather than logical fact.

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