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    Default Any idea if this is an actual Amen Savior?

    It has some ugly plates welded on the neck and axles, but the angles all look like actual Amen to me. Any ideas?
    Considering purchasing it..

    https://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_...dY_600x450.jpg

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    Far as I can remember Amen was the only spring frame with the axle through the center of the spring axis.

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    Like DustyDave said, I agree, and it does look like an original Saviour plunger suspension...from the couple of photos, the angle of the upright frame rail behind the engine is a common feature...

    Here is a thread from 2014 with a photo; Triumph Amen Savior Frame:
    http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39643

    old Craigslist Tri 650 amen:
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    Interesting; this original Amen ad says not available for Triumph:
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    But, there were Saviour Bolt-On Rear sections for 650 Triumphs: (not able to copy photos)
    http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29324

    See more here: http://www.angelfire.com/tn/bikes/frameid.html
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    The Saviour frames were available for the Honda 450 (twin); this brings back memories(ohh, da fog); I was up here in Yukon (mid '90s), going to a swapmeet in Vancouver, talked to a guy who had a Honda 450 Saviour frame, borrowed a stock 450 frame to check fit of T120 - it fit but tight on rear centre post(not there on the Saviour), went down to Van, bought it and stuck a T120 engine in - did not finish as sold it.
    So, maybe it's an original Amen frame for a different model...

    See more ads here: http://wrenchtoride.blogspot.ca/2009...en-savior.html
    Last edited by TriNortchopz; 03-06-2018 at 12:04 AM. Reason: added a foggy memory

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    The Turnip in OPs pic would tidy up nicely with the hideous, monstrously large gussets trimmed to a minimal, attractive contour and a more esthetic seat and tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    The Turnip in OPs pic would tidy up nicely with the hideous, monstrously large gussets trimmed to a minimal, attractive contour and a more esthetic seat and tank.
    That was the plan if I get it. That and the wiring is an absolute shit show just from the photos. The guy wants $3200 but I'm thinking closer to $2500..

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    Suppose they sobered him up after he did those gussets?

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    I think 2500 is fair. 3200? Nope. It's got too much goofy bubba shit for that. If it were done properl I could see that much but it ain't so I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriNortchopz View Post
    Like DustyDave said, I agree, and it does look like an original Saviour plunger suspension...from the couple of photos, the angle of the upright frame rail behind the engine is a common feature...

    Here is a thread from 2014 with a photo; Triumph Amen Savior Frame:
    http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39643

    old Craigslist Tri 650 amen:
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    Interesting; this original Amen ad says not available for Triumph:
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    But, there were Saviour Bolt-On Rear sections for 650 Triumphs: (not able to copy photos)
    http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29324

    See more here: http://www.angelfire.com/tn/bikes/frameid.html
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    The Saviour frames were available for the Honda 450 (twin); this brings back memories(ohh, da fog); I was up here in Yukon (mid '90s), going to a swapmeet in Vancouver, talked to a guy who had a Honda 450 Saviour frame, borrowed a stock 450 frame to check fit of T120 - it fit but tight on rear centre post(not there on the Saviour), went down to Van, bought it and stuck a T120 engine in - did not finish as sold it.
    So, maybe it's an original Amen frame for a different model...

    See more ads here: http://wrenchtoride.blogspot.ca/2009...en-savior.html
    I built that Triumph Chopper

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    Hello
    I built that chopper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aactionjim View Post
    I built that Triumph Chopper
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    Quote Originally Posted by aactionjim View Post
    Hello
    I built that chopper.
    Tell us what you know about that frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aactionjim View Post
    Hello
    I built that chopper.
    Looks like a cool period trumpet, Nice job. Can I ask a technical question about that particular chop??
    It looks very low. I have a current roller (Rigid-not plunger) and having to reset it up so there is more ground clearance. Based on your pictures, looks like the pipes might scrape in a tight corner, If the suspension in the rear compressed at all, I imagine it only made it worse.
    Based on your experience did you just ride it extra careful? Rode it like you stole it and sparks be damned? Did you ever modify it for more ride height?
    Long term what was your impression on the ride of that plunger suspension?

    Some say they get used to it, Some dislike the ride and some dont care as long as their "Knees in the Breeze" as they used to say.

    ( I have some stock BSAs with a similar plunger design, IMHO they dont inspire me to ride very far, and okay for a low HP bike but super squirrelly if you got any HP, But they look cool)

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    Hello Guy's
    I bought the bike back in early 2000's from a guy that lived in Nevada. Real biker skinny and crazy as hell. The bike was duct taped and zip tied together. I met him at a roadside restaurant (after he was 4 hours late). You gotta love old crazy bikers. We pulled the bike down the ramp and it started after one kick. It was all different colors and a hundred different bolts. You should have seen him flying around the parking lot, grinning from ear to ear. So he started to tell me about the bike. Said the frame was just as it was never did anything to it. Was built for the triumph and never did any welding or modifications on it. He told me that he went to a hell's angels party one day out in the desert and they chased him off and started shooting at him. There is a bullet crease on the side of the oil bag. I believed him. I used paint stripper to remove the paint and the frame was very nice. No re-welds and no new holes. The engine was from 1971 and the frame is a real amen savior 1972.I worked on it for about 1 1/2 years adding this and that. I got most of the stuff off ebay and the local bike shops. I put a Butoco triple tree on it and Suzuki 1000 tubes and brake. Used a little Honda brake hand cylinder for the front and set up the back with new brakes. Keep the stock wire rim on the back it was triumph as was the front just different sizes larger in the front. Used a fatter tire on the back. Front was standard. I used a trailer fender and found an old sissy bar on ebay and it worked great. I had a paint shop paint it for 500 bucks. They were so pissed at me because I had it painted metal flake silver. It just ruined the booth I hade the skull and flag flames added before it was cleared. There was a old Mexican upholstery shop and they had the same color vinyl so there was the seat color. There was a salvage shop in my town and they had the biggest selection of stainless steel bolts you could ever imagine. I bought this big ole knife from one of the knife companies and added it to the shifter rod. (sorry I didn't say it was suicide shifting) All I had to do was run down when I needed to add something. I used clear red tubing for the gas lines and old style clear red spark plug wires. I got the z-bars off ebay also. Changed to all stainless steel brake lines from the Honda shop (made to order)I added an electronic ignition and tightened up all the bolts and kicked it over It started right up so I took it out for a ride and about a mile down the road it shut off. I used toggle switches for the lights and ignition. Keep kicking and kicking and nothing. I knew I did everything right, but nothing, Some lady was walking with her kid and he ran over and said that was a cool bike. She grabbed him and pulled him away scared as hell. I was a little greasy looking. So I push it home and kicked it again and it started. I said what the hell so I took it out again and it did the same thing pushed it back home and it keep doing. It was a 6 volt positive ground so I thought I did the wiring wrong. kept chasing it for day's. I ended up talking to few buddies of mine and they told me about some old guy that loves Triumphs and lived across town. I forget his name but went to his house. This guy was about 75 years old and clean cut. He looked like your old English teacher. He tells me to bring the chopper over and he would look at it. He loved as soon as he seen it. Seems everybody did. I tried to start it no luck. He looks at the wiring I did and said everything was in place. Then he looks at the wiring that goes to the stator, and don't ya know there was a break in one of the wires just outside and above the case where the hole is(on top). Kept rubbing and moving apart. Started it up and never gave me a problem. I asked what I owed him smiled and said nothing. The bike was nice and tight and never wobbled it ran straight down the road. The suspension worked great never bottomed out. I had a great time shifting back and forth. I never had a speed-o on it but always kept up with all the other bikes and believe you me we hauled ass. Never scraped the side pipes, not one time. Something about that bike. It was a dangerous, good looking bike but never hurt or scared me. Just one of those things in a lifetime you get. Miss it from time to time but those days are over for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loganyoung View Post
    That was the plan if I get it. That and the wiring is an absolute shit show just from the photos. The guy wants $3200 but I'm thinking closer to $2500..
    This original Amen ad shows a listing of the Amen Saviour frame for Triumph 650 and 750:
    (can't post ad) look here for "Amen Saviour Is Here"; in post by Danny F, from 02-06-2008:
    http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/a...8&d=1202288716

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    Were you able to negotiate a purchase price of the chop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aactionjim View Post
    Hello Guy's
    I bought the bike back in early 2000's from a guy that lived in Nevada. Real biker skinny and crazy as hell... Said the frame was just as it was never did anything to it. Was built for the triumph and never did any welding or modifications on it...I used paint stripper to remove the paint and the frame was very nice. No re-welds and no new holes. The engine was from 1971 and the frame is a real amen savior 1972... The suspension worked great never bottomed out... Never scraped the side pipes, not one time. Something about that bike. It was a dangerous, good looking bike but never hurt or scared me. Just one of those things in a lifetime you get. Miss it from time to time but those days are over for me.
    Thanks for sharing that great story aactionjim; good job on that build, sounds like you put a lot of work in it, including a part of you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aactionjim View Post
    Hello Guy's
    I bought the bike back in early 2000's from a guy that lived in Nevada. Real biker skinny and crazy as hell. The bike was duct taped and zip tied together. I met him at a roadside restaurant (after he was 4 hours late). You gotta love old crazy bikers. We pulled the bike down the ramp and it started after one kick. It was all different colors and a hundred different bolts. You should have seen him flying around the parking lot, grinning from ear to ear. So he started to tell me about the bike. Said the frame was just as it was never did anything to it. Was built for the triumph and never did any welding or modifications on it. He told me that he went to a hell's angels party one day out in the desert and they chased him off and started shooting at him. There is a bullet crease on the side of the oil bag. I believed him. I used paint stripper to remove the paint and the frame was very nice. No re-welds and no new holes. The engine was from 1971 and the frame is a real amen savior 1972.I worked on it for about 1 1/2 years adding this and that. I got most of the stuff off ebay and the local bike shops. I put a Butoco triple tree on it and Suzuki 1000 tubes and brake. Used a little Honda brake hand cylinder for the front and set up the back with new brakes. Keep the stock wire rim on the back it was triumph as was the front just different sizes larger in the front. Used a fatter tire on the back. Front was standard. I used a trailer fender and found an old sissy bar on ebay and it worked great. I had a paint shop paint it for 500 bucks. They were so pissed at me because I had it painted metal flake silver. It just ruined the booth I hade the skull and flag flames added before it was cleared. There was a old Mexican upholstery shop and they had the same color vinyl so there was the seat color. There was a salvage shop in my town and they had the biggest selection of stainless steel bolts you could ever imagine. I bought this big ole knife from one of the knife companies and added it to the shifter rod. (sorry I didn't say it was suicide shifting) All I had to do was run down when I needed to add something. I used clear red tubing for the gas lines and old style clear red spark plug wires. I got the z-bars off ebay also. Changed to all stainless steel brake lines from the Honda shop (made to order)I added an electronic ignition and tightened up all the bolts and kicked it over It started right up so I took it out for a ride and about a mile down the road it shut off. I used toggle switches for the lights and ignition. Keep kicking and kicking and nothing. I knew I did everything right, but nothing, Some lady was walking with her kid and he ran over and said that was a cool bike. She grabbed him and pulled him away scared as hell. I was a little greasy looking. So I push it home and kicked it again and it started. I said what the hell so I took it out again and it did the same thing pushed it back home and it keep doing. It was a 6 volt positive ground so I thought I did the wiring wrong. kept chasing it for day's. I ended up talking to few buddies of mine and they told me about some old guy that loves Triumphs and lived across town. I forget his name but went to his house. This guy was about 75 years old and clean cut. He looked like your old English teacher. He tells me to bring the chopper over and he would look at it. He loved as soon as he seen it. Seems everybody did. I tried to start it no luck. He looks at the wiring I did and said everything was in place. Then he looks at the wiring that goes to the stator, and don't ya know there was a break in one of the wires just outside and above the case where the hole is(on top). Kept rubbing and moving apart. Started it up and never gave me a problem. I asked what I owed him smiled and said nothing. The bike was nice and tight and never wobbled it ran straight down the road. The suspension worked great never bottomed out. I had a great time shifting back and forth. I never had a speed-o on it but always kept up with all the other bikes and believe you me we hauled ass. Never scraped the side pipes, not one time. Something about that bike. It was a dangerous, good looking bike but never hurt or scared me. Just one of those things in a lifetime you get. Miss it from time to time but those days are over for me.
    This was my bike at one time (I recognize many details), I believe I sold it to you, and I hope you enjoyed it! You did a fine job!!! Here’s what it looked like when I had it.
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    Couple things...

    I lived in Taos NM at the time. I am as crazy as the average ski bum, but not that crazy. I’m pretty sure I did a long drive to deliver you that bike, life was very full at that point, managing a ski shop plus a very physical second full time job (wildland fire and forestry) and having an old lady with 3 little kids, dog, cat, bird in a small wood heated cabin at 9500 ft in the mountains. If I seemed a little fried, or the timeline of the trip wasn’t pinpoint, it may have been trying to fit a long distance motorcycle delivery into that very full lifestyle.

    Skinny...I manifested (for helicopter transports) at 6’3” 220 that season.
    Old...I was about 24/25 when I sold that bike.

    So...here’s MY story of how it came to me. One day I was out with the yellow bike in the photo, getting a burger at Lotaburger in Taos. An old (yes, actually old, not 25..lol...santa beard old) guy, a musician known as “redbone kelly” (Earl Rayburn, RIP in 2011) came over to talk. He said had an old Indian basket case sitting at his place he’d like to sell cheap.
    So my heart kinda skipped a beat.
    I got directions out to his place, which was in the desert west of Taos, near Carson NM...what they call “the mesa”...where land was $100/acre and there is no law enforcement or zoning or groundwater and life at that time was generally some of the last remnants of the old wild west.

    When I got out there, I found this dusty 70s chopper in a crusty sandy heap of parts in milk crates with this frame and at least a 10 over brakeless frontend and a molded in peanut tank and narrow super-70s-style pullback bars... Not an Indian. He had assumed Indian because of that Amen plunger style rearend. The story was a friend of his (or him? Like hey doc “my friend” has this burning in his crotch....I dunno. Who knows.) had ridden in Arizona with a club called the dirty dozen. There was friction when that club was absorbed by the Hells Angels, no Triumphs allowed, the bike got shot up and was left with Redbone to sit for at least a decade if not 2. The peanut tank had a few bullet dents, and there is the one on the oil tank.

    I traded him a nice running Suzuki GS850L for it. Redbone made me promise it would be hells angels red...so I made it mostly silver with some red flames to keep my word. I always liked that the oil tank had that bullet dent....but it didn’t involve me having a run-in with the Angels myself, just the bike a long long time ago.

    I stripped about 10 lbs of 70s bondo molding work off the frame, threw a sportster tank on there, put new Amals and an electronic ignition on the motor, mated a junkyard suzuki disc brake frontend with the british triple trees, cut the big weird old 70s king/queen sissy bar setup down to what you see in the photo, did a rattle can paint job, set up the jockey shift, dealt with titling and plating a very dodgy machine with a sordid history (I found the right girl at the dmv and I flirted with her, believe it or not), then I proudly rode it like I stole it for a few years until it started having a tough time staying in 2nd gear and I had to make a decision about whether I wanted to, or mainly whether I could afford to, tear into the transmission.
    So, sadly, thats when I sold it.

    So about it supposedly being a rattletrap. There was no duct tape. Please, guy. I will use zipties to secure wiring or cables, but other than 2nd gear getting sloppy and not being a show bike, it was a running riding trustworthy bike when it left my life. I understand poetic license, you probably never imagined me reading this...but it’s not like I just slapped it together and spun it around a parking lot for you, I rode the shit out of that bike for years. The whole held together with elmers glue and paperclips imagery is bullshit.

    But whatever, water under the bridge.

    I suspected there were few enough of these bikes that if I google image searched I maybe could find it. And hot damn, here it was. God bless the internet.

    Cheers!
    -Jer
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    WOW! Cool update! As they say, 2 sides to every story, unless a crime scene and if 10 witnesses over time you will get 30 variations of it, followed by news accounts that dont get anything right.

    Nothing like getting the facts separated from a good war story..."Here I was at 28,000 ft and I had 2 MIGS on my tail over the Cambodian border........."

    I am known to spice up a story or 2 and, Since I had a TBI-Scrambled brains,, I no longer trust my memory or perceptions anymore. However I wrote a LOT of stuff about a good friend of mine over the 20+ years I knew him and he considered me his biographer, Me? I just wanted someone who did some amazing stuff to get recognition.

    Now he is dead, Sadly. One of his kids, who was not in the picture for as long as I knew the guy is trying to rebrand his dads story. Sanitize it, erase important details. Working out his own issues since, there was some unpleasant stuff for him growing up. I get it.. But he has accused me of lying and making stuff up. Truth is,, what I wrote was all approved by his old man when alive, these days I just cut and paste some old material when the occasion comes up.

    Another guy, famous, I wrote some stuff about him and posted to another site. He too is now deceased and years later one of his daughters raised hell about the story. She simmered down, But it was well researched and documented when I wrote it...some of it in court records. But all these years later someone told her...Some asshole on the internet wrote a story about your Dad!

    But, sure is an interesting twist to this story you chimed in!

    As Paul Harvey used to say...
    "And, Now,,, the rest of the story...." * When I was active duty military,, we used to stop and take a break to listen to his show every day. Many of us on a active military flight line would stop and listen...Several times some officer would yell at us,, I remember one of the NCO's said...
    "But Sir! Paul Harvey is on, we will get right on it after the show!"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rest_of_the_Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougtheinternetannoyance123 View Post
    As Paul Harvey used to say...
    "And, Now,,, the rest of the story...."
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