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    Default Ironhead kickstart question

    So im installing a kickstarter on my bike, i ran into an issue installing it. The v twin kit kicker ratchet gear that meshes on the back of the clutch plate included a bushing that proved to be too long.

    Basically, the v twin kit provided clutch ratchet plate would allow the extra bushing space to fit, and the kicker ratchet gear and the clutch ratchet plate would mesh properly. HOWEVER, I intend to use an OEM clutch hub with an already attached ratchet plate and therefore the bushing and v twin ratchet gear will not work.

    I came to this conclusion after assembling the whole primary and finding that the kicker was not engaging my clutch. The spacer / bushing were not allowing the kicker ratchet gear to fully engage.

    So I have ordered more OEM replacement parts to try to sort out this fitment issue. More $$$ into this project....

    My question is regarding the kickstart function to help my fundamental understanding of how it works and how to fix this issue.

    Okay here goes:

    If the kicker ratchet gear needs to engage with the clutch hub to turn the primary drive and start the motor, how does the ratchet gear disengage when the clutch hub is spinning thousands of rotations per minute??

    I really dont understand how the ratchet gear is supposed to disengage from the clutch ratchet plate, or how the teeth of the ratchet gear are supposed to disconnect and reconnect from the kicker arm gear? Wouldnt the first time I start this bike up, the whole assembly tear itself apart? Am I missing something? Can someone explain this better to me?

    Thanks!

    Here's a few pics:



    This bushing can be lowered, but then it displaces the transmission shaft spacer and the kicker ratchet gear has no room to move into the recess of the kicker arm gear to stop its motion.



    OEM clutch basket & OEM ratchet plate



    OEM clutch basket & Vtwin non assembled v twin ratchet plate



    Bike in question

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    Hope you have an elevator

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    Cool bike though. It has a real nice stance

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    I have run into the same problem with dat V-T part...

    My cure for it was to trim it down in a lathe ...

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    Dragstrews, youre referring to the bushing? Ive ordered a new bushing that hopefully is shorter, if not ill cut it down. I also ordered a shorter spacer thats could resolve the issue as well.

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    Yes the bushing was trimmed...

    Careful with changing out the spacer.... It will throw off the chain alignment some ....
    Last edited by Dragstews; 03-20-2017 at 10:15 AM.

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    Got an OEM ratchet gear, is the bushing supposed to extend like this?


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    Yes....

    Do a test fit to the clutch drum.... Make sure that the teeth fully engage...

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    They arent, heres a pic -



    seems like the bushing is just large enough to cause interference. Pretty sure i dont need to try to hammer it in there, i need it to freely disengage. thats the oem clutch basket ratchet plate.

    heres the v twin ratchet plate on an oem clutch basket -

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    if you cant tell by now, im really trying to avoid going through the process of riveting the v twin plate to the clutch basket. i dont know where to begin with that. dont even know if a shop around here would be willing to help out.

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    To help in doing that job .... V-T has a tool that locates and holds the plate to the drum...

    I have one and it does it's job really well...



    VT No: 16-0165
    Kick starter ratchet plate riveting tool clamps plate to drum while setting rivets on clutch drum.
    Fits:
    XL 1971-1979
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    OEM ratchet plate



    V Twin ratchet plate

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    that tools apparantly 100 bucks with shipping.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kick-Starter...tW6HPu&vxp=mtr

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    Well ..... I didn't say it was cheap ....

    Think I would be using the V-T Plate.... Look at how high the teeth are compared to the used Oem one...
    You really don't want those teeth to let go in the middle of a kick .... Trust me on this.... It comes with a boat load of pain ... !!!

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    i agree that the v twin thing would be great and i could avoid this whole thing and have my clutch back together in literally 30 minutes, i guess i just dont understand why im having fitment issues with oem parts.

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    Your not that far from me...

    Here's what you could do...
    Box up your drum, new plate and kicker clutch gear .... Send them to me and I will dial them in for you ...

    Just a thought ... ???

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    Yeah, I'd pay postage for the whole thing and the costs. PM me and we'll sort this out, I'd really appreciate the help, I can send you all the stuff and parts.

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    Boxed up and headed ur way.

    Apparently this is common...http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/s....php?t=1099235

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    Yup....

    Part of it having a need to make it work....

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