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    So the real problem here is that cows fart too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbonate View Post
    So the real problem here is that cows fart too much?
    i would think beer farts are far more harmful - heck maybe i should apply for money and do a study - good times

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbonate View Post
    So the real problem here is that cows fart too much?
    The problem is, that the amount of land and resources used by animal agriculture has become catastrophic.
    A hamburger takes 660 gallons of water to produce. So... Use all the "low flow" hippy shower heads you want, but that's about 2 months worth of showers. The problem is that 91% of the land cleared at an acre a second in the amazon (the place that keeps C02s from being poison in the atmosphere) is devoted to animal agriculture.
    Water is the scary one. Everyone is freaking out about water use. Fracking? Golf courses? HA! That's a drop in the bucket to make people feel better for hipstering their yard into a desert theme.
    1/3 of all freshwater on the planet is consumed by animal agriculture.
    As for your stunning revelation about "farts." Ummm. No. It's the methane produced from the waste of cows since that's the animal you mentioned. Every 60 seconds 7 million pounds of cow shit appears, and that is an issue for a planet that never intended to accommodate that much.
    See the planet was cruising along at under 1 billion people (and the animals to feed them) until around 1850. So for millions of years the human population was under a Billion. Between 1850 and now, we added 6 billion people.
    So.. do an experiment. Get a 30 gallon fish-tank, put 10 fish in it, then in a year add 60 more fish and the food to feed them and don't clean the tank for a month. That's pretty much what's happening.
    The problem is.. Cows taste amazing.

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    Water is not consumed, it evaporates and is completely recycled. Local insufficiency can be inconvenient but modern man can move or change local water management practices.

    If the world gets warmer there are plenty of life forms which stand to benefit. Advanced man will easily adapt, and primitive therefore inferior cultures will get hammered. Welcome to evolutionary pressure.

    I'd love to see more rapid temp rise because the worst human cultures live in the Middle East and Africa. Low tech primitives do nothing to advance humanity so better they die and we extract the resources for ourselves without interference. Genocide is the way to win cultural wars but breeding counters high death rates. The only way to stop breeding is for it to be unsustainable.

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    So, nuke the cows and the third world? I blame Volkswagen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmall View Post
    Water is not consumed, it evaporates and is completely recycled.
    There is still a finite supply of this resource, and that finite supply takes a very long time to "recycle."

    Of course, eradication of billions would ease the pressure on the ecosystem. I guess the argument there is, what good is advancing technology if it can't take care of how ever many people there are?

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    Depends on how much you care about the trailing edge of humanity. I don't, they are competitors for resources and their cultural backwardness makes them unappealing so I am fine with them being dead, and more than fine if they are religious primitive human obstacles. You can't change a man's superstition but if he is dead he can't breed.

    While aquifers take a long time to recharge, our global "solar still" takes care of the rest. That's why water shortages are local and usually the result of deliberate waste. Who do they impact? Not me or most other Americans or Europeans or other residents of modern countries because we take measures as necessary to adapt or relocate. When there is limited water in some modern areas it is typically because of the adult choice to use it for big agriculture thus trading one benefit for another.

    Find me an area in the modern world where lack of water is more than an inconvenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eroticjesus View Post
    The problem is, that the amount of land and resources used by animal agriculture has become catastrophic.
    A hamburger takes 660 gallons of water to produce. So... Use all the "low flow" hippy shower heads you want, but that's about 2 months worth of showers. The problem is that 91% of the land cleared at an acre a second in the amazon (the place that keeps C02s from being poison in the atmosphere) is devoted to animal agriculture.
    Water is the scary one. Everyone is freaking out about water use. Fracking? Golf courses? HA! That's a drop in the bucket to make people feel better for hipstering their yard into a desert theme.
    1/3 of all freshwater on the planet is consumed by animal agriculture.
    As for your stunning revelation about "farts." Ummm. No. It's the methane produced from the waste of cows since that's the animal you mentioned. Every 60 seconds 7 million pounds of cow shit appears, and that is an issue for a planet that never intended to accommodate that much.
    See the planet was cruising along at under 1 billion people (and the animals to feed them) until around 1850. So for millions of years the human population was under a Billion. Between 1850 and now, we added 6 billion people.
    So.. do an experiment. Get a 30 gallon fish-tank, put 10 fish in it, then in a year add 60 more fish and the food to feed them and don't clean the tank for a month. That's pretty much what's happening.
    The problem is.. Cows taste amazing.
    Cows dont really taste any better than humans..
    Its the spices and cooking that taste amazing.
    Not that i usually cannibalize on human flesh, just kind of getting used to the idea since there will be plenty of human flesh in hostile form around when catastrophic ecosystem collapse occurs and the hunger games begin.
    And its all coming about because of human fucking stupidity so i dont mind consuming what i perceive as the problem should shit hit the fan. Well fried arabs is ok i hear?
    We have plenty here pouring in becuse of the last decades of succesful u.s "foreign policy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by eroticjesus View Post
    There is still a finite supply of this resource, and that finite supply takes a very long time to "recycle."

    Of course, eradication of billions would ease the pressure on the ecosystem. I guess the argument there is, what good is advancing technology if it can't take care of how ever many people there are?
    I guess thats why ww3 is being sold in by media as inevitable since a while back

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    WWIII was being sold long before most 33ers were fucking born and most of that was bullshit too. There was a genuine risk of it during the height of the Cold War but those days are ancient fucking history.

    "News" exists to get money from adverts, data mining and any other way to make money. There is no NEED to ease pressure on any ecosystem and certainly not any problems worthy of war.

    People aren't valuable except as consumers. Dead people don't spend money, and war is nearly obsolete as a way to take valuable things. It is not obsolete as a way to get tax money and fund a military globalist state but one does not RISK the damage large nation-state wars would cause so there haven't been any direct major power conflicts since WWII. Little wars which kill classes unimportant to the masters don't matter, and now they don't arouse protest since the US wisely switched to a career volunteer force.

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    You motherfuckers need to open a bar. I don't drink but I'd probly be there every night. Keep this goin, but keep it serious.

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    Well youre right as usual in your enlightened state of knowing exactly everything about everything.
    It still does not explain the weapons rustling and massive social unrest happening over here, as well as the massive desinformation campaigns coming from all camps right now.
    There is something really awful being unleashed over europe right now and your masters plans are working out excellently since noone here knows what the fuck is going on.
    Probably not even you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eroticjesus View Post
    The problem is, that the amount of land and resources used by animal agriculture has become catastrophic.
    A hamburger takes 660 gallons of water to produce. So... Use all the "low flow" hippy shower heads you want, but that's about 2 months worth of showers. The problem is that 91% of the land cleared at an acre a second in the amazon (the place that keeps C02s from being poison in the atmosphere) is devoted to animal agriculture.
    Water is the scary one. Everyone is freaking out about water use. Fracking? Golf courses? HA! That's a drop in the bucket to make people feel better for hipstering their yard into a desert theme.
    1/3 of all freshwater on the planet is consumed by animal agriculture.
    As for your stunning revelation about "farts." Ummm. No. It's the methane produced from the waste of cows since that's the animal you mentioned. Every 60 seconds 7 million pounds of cow shit appears, and that is an issue for a planet that never intended to accommodate that much.
    See the planet was cruising along at under 1 billion people (and the animals to feed them) until around 1850. So for millions of years the human population was under a Billion. Between 1850 and now, we added 6 billion people.
    So.. do an experiment. Get a 30 gallon fish-tank, put 10 fish in it, then in a year add 60 more fish and the food to feed them and don't clean the tank for a month. That's pretty much what's happening.
    The problem is.. Cows taste amazing.
    The Amazon is be deforrested at an acre a second? Really? Assuming this started happening 20 years ago (I've been hearing this longer than that) the forest will be a parking lot in 20 more years. I give you MATH

    The Amazon is 1.4 BILLION Acres. 1,400,000,000 acres. 31,536,000 seconds in a year. 44 years for the Amazon Rain Forest to be flattened. Well, I'm here to tell you that the rainforest is doing just fine. Sorry.

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    Coal fired generating plants have a scrubber on the smoke stack otherwise the smoke would be black and not white. The scrubbers remove the black but it turns into Sulfur Dioxide and when mixed with water creates acid rain.

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    none of you hipsters, saw the hippies running around collecting that shit .they hauled it home ,put blotter paper in it and now selling it at the greatful dead concerts .for 10.00 a hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goofyfoot2001 View Post
    Nope, it's pretty much a global socialist agenda aimed at pretty much everyone. CO2 is not a pollutant. There is no correlation between CO2 and the climate. There has NEVER been a n and there is not one now.

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    I'm always amazed by the "Panic of the Year" acid rain was a localized phenomenon (not the national/worldwide disaster claimed at the time) cured by correcting emissions on a FEW factories, and raising the cost to build new ones to the point that production was necessarily moved out of the USA. Can you say bye-bye jobs? I went to a well respected university and going by ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC METHODS climatology is still at best all theory, at worst just bullshit. Global warming is a total load of crap. During the industrial revolution man created more pollution in a month than we do now in a decade. The world heals itself. Don't believe it? Google Hiroshima. The "radiation that will poison the earth for a thousand years" never fucking happened. The Exxon Valdez disaster, remember how "This ecosystem has been destroyed for the next millennium"? Look at recent pictures, it's fucking almost impossible to tell where it happened. The world can heal faster than man can fuck it up barring full scale thermonuclear war, and I'm still not convinced of that. The dire predictions came from the same environmentalists that we all see crying about the evil oil companies before they jump back in their Hummer to drive home. I just can't buy their hypocritical bullshit.

    Edit: I almost forgot to add, what about all the pollution/greenhouse gasses we were creating in the 1970's, then it was supposed to be bringing on a new ice age. How come now the same shit is causing global warming? Because it's all BULLSHIT science (not really science so I guess it's just bullshit!)
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    It still does not explain the weapons rustling and massive social unrest happening over here
    What do you mean by the word "rustling"? It means theft of livestock in the US. As for "massive social unrest", how much real violence is involved? Serious revolutionaries take lives and lots of them. For example the Anarchists had were damn good at assassination in their day. A bunch of disgruntled people isn't the same thing as Communist vs Freikorps street battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goofyfoot2001 View Post
    The Amazon is be deforrested at an acre a second? Really? Assuming this started happening 20 years ago (I've been hearing this longer than that) the forest will be a parking lot in 20 more years. I give you MATH

    The Amazon is 1.4 BILLION Acres. 1,400,000,000 acres. 31,536,000 seconds in a year. 44 years for the Amazon Rain Forest to be flattened. Well, I'm here to tell you that the rainforest is doing just fine. Sorry.
    I miss-spoke when I specified Amazon. I should have said 1 acre a second of Rain-forests. You can look it up for yourself. We lose around 80,000 acres of rain-forest a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantman View Post
    I went to a well respected university and going by ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC METHODS climatology is still at best all theory
    Doesn't look like you know what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is not a hypothesis, and conflating the two in order to obfuscate the actual theory is pedantic.

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