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  • btalley63
    • Apr 2024

    trump and his butt boy lindsey, both say now they are going after the dems for treason. I guess the trumpanzees will complain about the cost of this as well. I think trump should. Appoint another special counsel and lets see what happens. They should start by releasing the whole Mueller report.

    The NRA didn't collude with the Russian government either, but how is that going?

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    • btalley63
      • Apr 2024

      Originally posted by Bbqbiker
      And the counterattack begins!

      Go after the lying liars who are the true threat to Democracy. Everyone listed played a part in trying to undo the will of the voters. Bravo!!

      That's funny. I guess you never watch Fox news.

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      • klondikekid64
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2013
        • 1086

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        • LoudPipesSaveLives
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 532

          So when can we start executing lefties??

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          • Bbqbiker
            Senior Member
            • May 2015
            • 2394

            Originally posted by btalley63
            trump and his butt boy lindsey, both say now they are going after the dems for treason. I guess the trumpanzees will complain about the cost of this as well. I think trump should. Appoint another special counsel and lets see what happens. They should start by releasing the whole Mueller report.

            The NRA didn't collude with the Russian government either, but how is that going?
            Well what do you think should be done about those that perpetuated the lie of “Russian collusion” And no I will not complain about the cost because this is a factual investigation not a “Russian collusion fantasy” cooked up by the losers of the election.

            And please take a civic lesson before you start repeating left wing talking points. All you need to do is read the special prosecutor statute and you would understand that the Mueller report does not “get released to the public” he gives his findings to the attorney general and then the attorney general dispenses his findings to Congress and the public.

            There are reasons for this privileged information protecting ongoing investigations etc. etc. but you knew this right?

            So every brain-dead moron on TV screaming “release the Mueller report” has the IQ of a cabbage but they know what they’re doing making it seem as if there’s something missing

            No collusion no obstruction now punish those responsible for creating a hoax and keeping it going for two years


            Oh and literally as I type this six congressional Democrats have demanded the release of the Mueller report by April 2 or else

            Again they all know the rules of the special prosecutor statute and that it does not get released to the public but they are playing on the ignoramuses that have believed in the fake collusion hoax for the past two years... they’ll eat it up and just repeat the ignorance of “release the Mueller report“
            As if it’s going to change the findings of no collusion no obstructio, as determined by their Savior America superhero saint Mueller
            Last edited by Bbqbiker; 03-25-2019, 5:26 PM.

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            • rockman96
              Senior Member
              • May 2018
              • 895

              Originally posted by btalley63
              trump and his butt boy lindsey, both say now they are going after the dems for treason. I guess the trumpanzees will complain about the cost of this as well. I think trump should. Appoint another special counsel and lets see what happens. They should start by releasing the whole Mueller report.

              The NRA didn't collude with the Russian government either, but how is that going?
              I wouldn't complain a bit. And they should have started going after the demoncrats 20 years ago, but I would settle for now.
              You will never see the full report... Are you sure you really want to?

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              • Bbqbiker
                Senior Member
                • May 2015
                • 2394

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                • Bbqbiker
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2015
                  • 2394

                  Wow somebody in the media with a conscience

                  Or they’re scared shitless that 50% of the country knows that they are spewing bullshit and laugh at them

                  Apologies to President Trump
                  With the conclusions of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe now known to a significant degree, it seems apologies are in order.

                  However, judging by the recent past, apologies are not likely forthcoming from the responsible parties.

                  In this context, it matters not whether one is a supporter or a critic of President Trump.

                  Whatever his supposed flaws, the rampant accusations and speculation that shrouded Trump’s presidency, even before it began, ultimately have proven unfounded. Just as Trump said all along.

                  Yet, each time Trump said so, some of us in the media lampooned him. We treated any words he spoke in his own defense as if they were automatically to be disbelieved because he had uttered them. Some even declared his words to be “lies,” although they had no evidence to back up their claims.

                  We in the media allowed unproven charges and false accusations to dominate the news landscape for more than two years, in a way that was wildly unbalanced and disproportionate to the evidence.

                  We did a poor job of tracking down leaks of false information. We failed to reasonably weigh the motives of anonymous sources and those claiming to have secret, special evidence of Trump’s “treason.”

                  As such, we reported a tremendous amount of false information, always to Trump’s detriment.

                  And when we corrected our mistakes, we often doubled down more than we apologized. We may have been technically wrong on that tiny point, we would acknowledge. But, in the same breath, we would insist that Trump was so obviously guilty of being Russian President Vladimir Putin’s puppet that the technical details hardly mattered.

                  So, a round of apologies seem in order.

                  Apologies to Trump on behalf of those in the U.S. intelligence community, including the Department of Justice and the FBI, which allowed the weaponization of sensitive, intrusive intelligence tools against innocent citizens such as Carter Page, an adviser to Trump’s presidential campaign.

                  Apologies also to Page himself, to Jerome Corsi, Donald Trump Jr., and other citizens whose rights were violated or who were unfairly caught up in surveillance or the heated pursuit of charges based on little more than false, unproven opposition research paid for by Democrats and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

                  Apologies for the stress on their jobs and to their families, the damage to their reputations, the money they had to spend to hire legal representation and defend themselves from charges for crimes they did not commit.

                  Apologies on behalf of those in the intelligence community who leaked true information out of context to make Trump look guilty, and who sometimes leaked false information to try to implicate or frame him.

                  Apologies from those in the chain of command at the FBI and the Department of Justice who were supposed to make sure all information presented to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) is verified but did not do so.

                  Apologies from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court judges who are supposed to serve as one of the few checks and balances to prevent the FBI from wiretapping innocent Americans. Whether because of blind trust in the FBI or out of ignorance or even malfeasance, they failed at this important job.

                  Apologies to the American people who did not receive the full attention of their government while political points were being scored; who were not told about some important world events because they were crowded out of the news by the persistent insistence that Trump was working for Russia.

                  Apologies all the way around.

                  And now, with those apologies handled — are more than apologies due?

                  Should we try to learn more about those supposed Russian sources who provided false “intel” contained in the “dossier” against Trump, Page and others? Should we learn how these sources came to the attention of ex-British spy Christopher Steele, who built the dossier and claimed that some of the sources were close to Putin?

                  When and where did Steele meet with these high-level Russian sources who provided the apparently false information?

                  Are these the people who actually took proven, concrete steps to interfere in the 2016 election and sabotage Trump’s presidency, beginning in its earliest days?

                  Just who conspired to put the “dossier” into the hands of the FBI? Who, within our intel community, dropped the ball on verifying the information and, instead, leaked it to the press and presented it to the FISC as if legitimate?

                  “Sorry” hardly seems to be enough.

                  Will anyone be held accountable?

                  Sharyl Attkisson (@SharylAttkisson) is an Emmy Award-winning investigative journalist, author of The New York Times best-sellers “The Smear” and “Stonewalled,” and host of Sinclair’s Sunday TV program, “Full Measure.”

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                  • Dragstews
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 13739

                    Lots of questions now ....

                    1. Why did Mueller not decide on obstruction of justice?
                    2. Did Mueller expect Barr to decide on obstruction?
                    3. Should Barr have decided on obstruction?
                    4. Did Mueller want to protect a future grand jury?
                    5. Why did Barr consult the DOJ office of legal counsel before deciding about obstruction?
                    6. What will be briefed to the Intelligence Committees and Gang of 8?
                    7. Was there a full investigation of Trump’s intent regarding obstruction?
                    8. Were Trump’s finances part of the investigation?
                    9. Will we see the Mueller investigation scope memo?
                    10. Will we see Trump’s written responses to Mueller?
                    11. Will the Mueller report be released?
                    12. Will Mueller testify before Congress?
                    13. Will Congress see Mueller’s underlying evidence?
                    14. Will ongoing investigations be affected?
                    15. Will Trump recognize Russia attacked our election?
                    Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                    • rockman96
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2018
                      • 895

                      Originally posted by Dragstews
                      Lots of questions now ....

                      1. Why did Mueller not decide on obstruction of justice?
                      2. Did Mueller expect Barr to decide on obstruction?
                      3. Should Barr have decided on obstruction?
                      4. Did Mueller want to protect a future grand jury?
                      5. Why did Barr consult the DOJ office of legal counsel before deciding about obstruction?
                      6. What will be briefed to the Intelligence Committees and Gang of 8?
                      7. Was there a full investigation of Trump’s intent regarding obstruction?
                      8. Were Trump’s finances part of the investigation?
                      9. Will we see the Mueller investigation scope memo?
                      10. Will we see Trump’s written responses to Mueller?
                      11. Will the Mueller report be released?
                      12. Will Mueller testify before Congress?
                      13. Will Congress see Mueller’s underlying evidence?
                      14. Will ongoing investigations be affected?
                      15. Will Trump recognize Russia attacked our election?
                      MY opinion.
                      1-5) He (they) didn’t want to open doors that would take down their own. You know, the Clintons, Obama’s, etc.
                      6) Who knows? Probably not everything g.
                      7) You know there was. They were after his ass.
                      8) Again, I’d be shocked if the answer was no.
                      9) No.
                      10) No.
                      11) No.
                      12) No.
                      13) IDK.
                      14) Specifically?
                      15) There is nothing to recognize. If the FB BS really affected anyone’s vote, it was so negligible as to not even exist

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                      • btalley63
                        • Apr 2024

                        Originally posted by Bbqbiker
                        Well what do you think should be done about those that perpetuated the lie of “Russian collusion” And no I will not complain about the cost because this is a factual investigation not a “Russian collusion fantasy” cooked up by the losers of the election.

                        And please take a civic lesson before you start repeating left wing talking points. All you need to do is read the special prosecutor statute and you would understand that the Mueller report does not “get released to the public” he gives his findings to the attorney general and then the attorney general dispenses his findings to Congress and the public.

                        There are reasons for this privileged information protecting ongoing investigations etc. etc. but you knew this right?
                        Who do you think wrote the statute genius? Republicans remembered that the Ken Starr report had that it was to be released to Congress written into the rules. So the scared republicans changed the rules. What are they so scared of?

                        The trumpanzees need to STFU about anything with russia collusion being false if trump is too scared to release the Mueller report.

                        The real question is what was going on so that REPUBLICAN APPOINTED JUDGES kept renewing FISA warrants. This is what started the russia collusion. So yes, by all means find out what caused this to happen. It's probably in the Mueller report.
                        Last edited by Guest; 03-26-2019, 5:34 AM.

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                        • Dragstews
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 13739

                          If he’s innocent, why has he been acting so guilty?

                          I call BS on T-rump’s claims of exoneration ... !!
                          Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                          • Fetch
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2017
                            • 908

                            Originally posted by Dragstews
                            If he’s innocent, why has he been acting so guilty?

                            I call BS on T-rump’s claims of exoneration ... !!
                            And America calls BS on Russian Collusion.......next up, Obama/Ukraine/Clinton Connection

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                            • rockman96
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2018
                              • 895

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                              • Dragstews
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 13739

                                Mueller was incapable of charging Trump with obstruction because of ‘defective’ regulations: former assistant.

                                A former assistant to Robert Mueller said the special counsel did not charge President Donald Trump with obstruction of justice because of “defective” regulations surrounding his position.

                                In an interview with Newsweek, Michael Zeldin — the former special counsel for money laundering under Mueller when he was assistant attorney general of the Justice Department’s criminal division — said his former boss needed more independence in his role.


                                “My thought is that the special counsel regulations are defective,” Zeldin said, “because of the problem we see in this case, which is the special counsel is really not a truly independent counsel.”

                                Though Mueller was not managed day-to-day by the DOJ, he was nevertheless “obliged to adhere to Department of Justice policy and perhaps preference—unless he objects to their decision, in which case there has to be a notification to Congress,” the attorney said.

                                The report noted that when Zeldin and Mueller worked together at the DOJ in the early 1990’s, they operated under a Watergate-era law governing independent counsels that Congress allowed to expire in 1999.

                                The newer special counsel law, according to the Congressional Research Service, allows for “less ‘independence’ from the attorney general and the Department of Justice than did the independent counsels.”


                                “The problem we find ourselves in today in part is Mueller went along with the Department of Justice’s policy that he felt that he was really duty bound to,” Zeldin said, adding that DOJ regulations on the release of documents “swung the pendulum too far in favor of secrecy.”

                                “So now we have the situation where everyone is clamoring for an understanding of what underlies Mueller’s belief that the evidence does not exonerate the president,” the attorney said, “and we don’t have an easy way to get it.”

                                Because the full report has not yet been disclosed to the public — and may never be — Americans “don’t really know how big of a problem it is” that Mueller left the obstruction question blank.

                                Zeldin added that there was potentially a disagreement between the special counsel’s office and Attorney General William Barr, which may have resulted in Mueller deferring to the DOJ’s “traditional decision to not prosecute” and not pushing for a subpoena.

                                Barr, the former Mueller aide said, “just pulled out one sentence from the report and, like most things, things don’t make sense until you see the full context, so we’re also left groping in the dark.”

                                “That’s the problem,” Zeldin concluded.
                                Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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