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  • GraveStateCustoms
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 12

    shovelhead build no oil flow

    OK so just got my bottom end back from getting rebuilt new ultima cases flywheels rebuilt new oil pump new cam new breather gear new tappet rollers everything is new and my top end just got done also new pistons rings valve Job new valves valve guides springs ect rocker boxes been rebuilt also and I got everything together and loosens the oil line feeding the rockers to check for oil flow and nothing after about 20 kicks I disconnected the line from the bottom end to the rockers to see if any oil was pushing up threw and nothing at all not even little spits of oil I'm stumped also no clogged lines I've checked them all any help would be much appreciated
  • GreasyGary
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 24

    #2




    These are from early evo Harley manual. Same cases and oil pump. different bore and stroke.

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    • GreasyGary
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2015
      • 24

      #3
      (correct orientation)

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      • GraveStateCustoms
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 12

        #4
        ?? Sorry but I don't get what your trying to say

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        • GreasyGary
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2015
          • 24

          #5
          That is how the oil flows through the engine. Did you bleed the oil down to the pump? Could be air locked. Was the pump wet or dry when you put it together?

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          • GraveStateCustoms
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2014
            • 12

            #6
            Sorry not trying to be a dick but that's not how the oil flows In a shovelClick image for larger version

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            • GreasyGary
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2015
              • 24

              #7
              All I had. I referenced the haynes I got. My old one had it in there... Thanks though! Learn something every day. But just make sure its got something to pull beside air. Can be air locked like any liquid system (brake, coolant, oil) if there is air trapped between 2 sides.. Pump will just turn the air. Good luck.

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              • Sky
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 3040

                #8
                One, make sure all your oil lines are correct
                Two, pull all the caps, two on the pump and the tappet as well (yes, you have to pull the fitting above the check ball cap)
                Three, gravity should bleed that shit for you, pull the springs, ball,and plunger. You can leave the screen and it's spring in.
                Four, as oil reaches each cavity, cap it off. First the check ball,l then the relief plunger, and finally the tappet screen.
                Don't forget to put the ball and plunger plus springs back in.
                Start that thing and watch for oil at the return into the tank.
                Good luck
                Last edited by Sky; 03-23-2015, 11:18 AM. Reason: spelling and auto-correct

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                • Davestune
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2014
                  • 3292

                  #9
                  god forbid you use a oil press gauge.........

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                  • Dragstews
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 13739

                    #10
                    Could pressure bleed the air out of the tappets.....

                    That done by taking off the cap and spring off of the relief and with it running stick a rod down into the hole pushing hard down on the plunger.... Make sure that you take off any oil gauges or sending units ...

                    By doing this, the pump will be putting out about 400 psi...
                    Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                    • Sky
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 3040

                      #11
                      Davestune, Gauges or sending units only tell you press is getting as far as the gauge or sensor. And not necessary with hydro tappets anyway. You'll hear it before you glance at the gauge or light going down the road. Furthermore. only a nice big calibrated handheld gauge is going to give you any sort of accuracy. What about the return side of the pump?

                      Dragstews, That would work if the feed gears aren't air locked. And no way just kicking it. You would need a starter motor of some sort.

                      Gravestate, Checking for flow at the rocker lines is a good idea, but you won't see much till it's running.
                      Good luck and let us know how it goes

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                      • Dragstews
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 13739

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sky

                        Dragstews, That would work if the feed gears aren't air locked. And no way just kicking it. You would need a starter motor of some sort.

                        That's why I said running....

                        For sure it won't make that kind of pressure kicking....
                        Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                        • Sky
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 3040

                          #13
                          That you did Sir.
                          Still I would gravity bleed that sucker before attempting to start it. Kicking or otherwise.

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                          • Dragstews
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 13739

                            #14
                            I have a wonder about those A/F cases....

                            Seems to me that the oil route may not be the same design as OEM cases....????

                            The oil screen plug may be to long and could be blocking the new oil path to the lifters...
                            Think the ultima cases did move that path to under the plug....

                            Something to check out anyway....

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                            Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                            • GraveStateCustoms
                              Junior Member
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 12

                              #15
                              OK forgot to state that I got it started but only for a quick min cause I still didn't see any oil flow so I didn't want to fuck up all my new shit also thank you so much for the reply I just towed it back to the mechanic today who did the bottom and he's gonna take a look and fix it I'll let every one know how it goes

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