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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantMcGoo View Post
    Just curious does anyone have a proper dimensional drawing for a bolt on hard tail? I have looked online and the closest thing I can find is this. Attachment 56383
    Seriously nobody?

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    been a while since I've had and time to work on my bike, here's a couple more shots of the tear down.

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    Lot's a thoughts on your excellent project. I had a 72' Trident with that 'Easter-egg purple' paint and thought it was soooo cool back in 73'.
    1. From the pics ole dad maybe was into the chopper scene a bit since the bike pics shows it had the front fender off and aftermarket cocktail shaker mufflers. Looks like also maybe higher than stock handlebars. Bless his heart! Maybe talk to him about that and ask what was the coolest bike he had admired back in the day. Maybe he'll surprise you and free up some changes in direction from pure stock......
    2. How tall are you? That affects the 'drop' and 'stretch' of a hardtail frame bolt on which you can order from several sources. So getting dimensions depends on such things. Fork tubes can also be lengthened/shortened. Forks by Frank or something is where lots get theirs from.
    3. The books your darling wife got are great. You might also consider joining the Canadian Vintage Motorcycle Group (CVMG) section near where you live. Those old frugal buggars have swap meets and horde stuff to you help find stuff and to get good advice from like who best to get stuff done from.
    4. I remember the 'fast hair' poster you have on the wall from the 70's!! Dig it! Looks like you have a great place to work out of. Looks like most of a newer Corvette there too covered in dust. Your cute boy is gonna be happy some day if all goes well!!

    As you know/are finding out old British bikes need special tools like Whitworth wrenches and such. I'm no expert but from getting my 1965 BSA forks redone I was told fork setups are varied in design so no telling how to get yours apart. Need to get familiar with a local British bike mechanic who can do the hard stuff and/or advise on the easier stuff. I'm an old fuck and am constantly learning stuff especially from this site. Just learned how to replace tires/tubes using zip ties of all things in the "How To" section here !!!
    Me, I'd go electronic ignition but not with Boyer Branson acc to what I've read since I'd want battery backup.
    Show some pics of the tins. Does the gas tank need resealing? The monoblock carbs you have are cool! I have an old one that has a clear glass side plate and I'm planning to get it done to stick onto by BSA rat some day. Remember that YOU have to be happy with what you create. Dad already had his shot and your son will in the future. But unless you build it for your own tastes and thrill you'll be missing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cisco View Post
    Lot's a thoughts on your excellent project. I had a 72' Trident with that 'Easter-egg purple' paint and thought it was soooo cool back in 73'.
    1. From the pics ole dad maybe was into the chopper scene a bit since the bike pics shows it had the front fender off and aftermarket cocktail shaker mufflers. Looks like also maybe higher than stock handlebars. Bless his heart! Maybe talk to him about that and ask what was the coolest bike he had admired back in the day. Maybe he'll surprise you and free up some changes in direction from pure stock......
    2. How tall are you? That affects the 'drop' and 'stretch' of a hardtail frame bolt on which you can order from several sources. So getting dimensions depends on such things. Fork tubes can also be lengthened/shortened. Forks by Frank or something is where lots get theirs from.
    3. The books your darling wife got are great. You might also consider joining the Canadian Vintage Motorcycle Group (CVMG) section near where you live. Those old frugal buggars have swap meets and horde stuff to you help find stuff and to get good advice from like who best to get stuff done from.
    4. I remember the 'fast hair' poster you have on the wall from the 70's!! Dig it! Looks like you have a great place to work out of. Looks like most of a newer Corvette there too covered in dust. Your cute boy is gonna be happy some day if all goes well!!

    As you know/are finding out old British bikes need special tools like Whitworth wrenches and such. I'm no expert but from getting my 1965 BSA forks redone I was told fork setups are varied in design so no telling how to get yours apart. Need to get familiar with a local British bike mechanic who can do the hard stuff and/or advise on the easier stuff. I'm an old fuck and am constantly learning stuff especially from this site. Just learned how to replace tires/tubes using zip ties of all things in the "How To" section here !!!
    Me, I'd go electronic ignition but not with Boyer Branson acc to what I've read since I'd want battery backup.
    Show some pics of the tins. Does the gas tank need resealing? The monoblock carbs you have are cool! I have an old one that has a clear glass side plate and I'm planning to get it done to stick onto by BSA rat some day. Remember that YOU have to be happy with what you create. Dad already had his shot and your son will in the future. But unless you build it for your own tastes and thrill you'll be missing out.
    Hey Cisco, thanks for your thoughts. I talk with my dad about it all the time and he just thinks it should be build back to stock. But also just loves the fact that I am working on it and wants me to build what I want. He has been building and playing with motorcycle since his late teens early twenties.

    As for your questions, lol, I'm 6'7" and 250lbs so I'll look like a gorilla humping football but I don't give a rats ass. The work space I have is the garage at my in laws place. The corvette is not mine but it's a beast when it is on the road, but I'm trying to convince the old far to put it back on the road where it should be. I will look into the CVMG, I think my buddies dad is involved with it somehow, going to a vintage bike show and swap at the end of the month that they put on. I'll keep it kick start too but I'm young enough to still win that battle. As for tools I am using a set of imperial sockets and wrenches from crappy tire and they seem to working just fine, but then again none of the nuts or bolts have been too tight or seased. I know I should get a set of British imperial but I had no money when I got the bike and just couldn't leave it alone. Gonna try and get an old set at the show also. And I got the front end apart with a little penetrating oil and some good old brute force. Now that the tubes are out I think I need a special tool to loosen the lower sections of the fork legs from the tubes in order to replace the seals...

    Then there's finding the time to work on it!

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    6'7" holy crap! I thought I was tall at 6'4"!!! Glad you got the tube assembly apart. My 65 BSA rat has a 10" over front end and has 19" stock wheels along with a 4" swing arm extension which allowed me to put the solo seat back further and up higher so I don't resemble the dog/football scene. I only bought this particular bike/basket case since it had the 4' swing arm extension which allowed me to more easily fit the bike to me.
    Without the 4" extension my butt would be over the back axle. Great for doing wheelies but not for much else. These projects take time and a gradual flow of money but deals can be had if you keep your eyes peeled. Your dad seems happy to have you working on it and soon riding it so I wouldn't be too set on keeping it stock. This opinion based on your enormous/gigantic/huge/long size (nothing personal... hope I'm not being too insensitive...) LOL!

    IMHO for me to feel comfortable riding it if I were 6'7" I'd want it longer to get the seat back, and higher off the ground. To me the British bikes that got chopped here originally was partly due to how big we buggars are.

    Oh, I never heard of a Triumph that vintage being converted to electric start. I got my Whitworth sockets from the internet and wrenches from swap meets. Saved a ton and hope you also have some luck there.
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    Yeah your build sounds pretty rad, I would love to see some pictures of it.

    What would you recommend as far as hard tails go? I like the long and low look but won't compromise looks for comfort.

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    Think it'll expand now when you click the previous button or something...

    From the sounds of it $ is a real issue with your build. With your size you really need an expert frame builder like two I read about.... www.thefactorymetalworks.com or maybe Lowbrow Customs. But you need to be fitted so it has proper drop/stretch. Like I said I bought my basket case since the guy who was a machinist had lengthened the swingarm 4" and then welded on the two downtubes replacing alla seat/shock assembly to create the hardtail. To me this is the cheapest way. So long as the swingarm bushings are healthy/replaced so there isn't any wobble in there a good bike welder/fabricator should be able to accomplish it. If you look closely the tool roll is beneath the seat which along with the 'skirt' on the solo seat helps hide the huge air space that results when you move a seat sooo far up and back.

    Back of the tank is raised via padded tube that replaces the rubber pad and in front I cut a coupla valve guides up to serve as spacers to also raise the tank front so still clears the handlebars. This all done to line up with the seat to keep things from looking goofy. I kept mid controls since being able to stand and jump beats getting 'T' boned at an intersection or having to totally absorb a big pothole. My bike is long and high. But acc to comments it looks long and low. The 10" extended fork tubes also help bigtime with me looking like I fit. I'm real comfy riding it btw. Oh, I also got a set of those really old springs that were on 50's British bikes that now have lifted the back of the saddle up a 1/2" (with me sitting aboard) off the rear fender. Now with that and with dropping the psi down a bit on the tires to about 26lbs (Max pressure means you'll feel every crack in the pavement) so now I don't wear a kidney belt except on long rides. Getting older ....haha!!

    Can you blow the pics up or I'll try something else so you can get a better looksee. But like I say I'm no mechanic.
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    Started working on the bike again over the last couple nights. Removed the wiring harness and the carburetor so now it's just a front loop and a motor/trany.

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    atta boy!!

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    Just a quick one I removed the coils one looks good and one looks like it may have gotten wet while it was in storage. Also I stopped by the local British bike shop in town to get some help and tips from the old cat Charlie, he has been building British bike for over 40 years. Super nice guy and a wealth of knowledge, I can't wait to go back down there just to hang and listen to him tell stories of the old days and pick his brain some more.
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    I'd contact the factory Metal Works to find out based on their experience what drop/rise/stretch hardtail they have made or can make for a dude your size. I'm guessing a 6 or 8 inch stretch and a 4 inch rise along with 10" over front forks. But I'm just an amateur guessing away. Holy shit you're tall!! See how my bike was changed to fit me.... yours needs a tad more IMO.

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    Ok so last time I was on I was still living with the inlaws and working out of their garage. Lots has changed, my wife and I bought a house and we now have our second child, a little girl named Ruby. She's awesome but a handful compared to my son Ryder.

    So today I started wrenching again on the old girl and I was able to remove the engine from the front loop using some ratchet straps I had in the back of my 4x4. I'm happy to be working on the bike again and also happy to have the frame separate from the engine. I'll tell you it wasn't easy to take out when you don't know what you're doing but I was able to get er done and I'm super stoked to start working on the paint and rebuilding her to her former glory. I bought a paint gun the other day on sale and I figured I'll just do it my self. I'm going to paint the frame the original black and I'm still debating on weather or not to go original paint scheme or just do the whole thing black. That being said my dad came down at Christmas and brought the tank and all the tins that he had been holding on to until the big day and surprised me, he's awesome.

    So the plan is to restore her to the original stylings but with a few modern touches. Nothing that can't be made original again but just a little tweaking here and there. I bought a new wiring harness from the guys at Vintage Triumph Supply and they were solid dudes to deal with, not sure if they are on here but S/O to them, thanks again.

    Ok next move I need a beer, I'll try and post more asap.

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    Holler if you need help, I have been wrenching on them since the late 70s, and can do them blindfolded, Great bikes if you just learn the little tribal knowledge tricks.
    as my old buddy Mark used to say "Put yer ass on some class". Lots of good products out there to make them run great and parts are pretty affordable. Just glad you didnt chop it up, as others have said,, No lack of orphan parts piles to customize but a solid bike w/ matching numbers should not be parted out or cut up.

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    Hey Bud, thanks for the support. Yeah anything that doesn't go back on the bike stays in the garage for when I'm dead and/or my son or daughter are old enough to ride.

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    Just a quick update frame and parts are off to the powder coater next I need to find a good chrome guy.

    In other news, old guys are cool
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    My dad moving the shovel.

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    Cool! Sounds like with the swing arm going back on its a moot issue,, but reread your post as I lost track of what you were doing.
    To answer the question nobody responded too... there was/is many options for hard tails, 0-2-4" and maybe even a 6 inch stretch although never saw one that long.. same for drop. Back end lowered. 0-2" seems typical. Theres a discussion on LOWBROWS website and some sample pix of some different hard tails.
    With stock rake, you dont want to mess up handling too much,, or TOO LOW to the ground either. (Goldilocks dimensions) so, people go with different specs for many reasons. One thing though, with not much stretch, it limits the choices for aftermarket oil tanks/bags as theres not enough clearance for the them between the frame and rear tire/fender.
    Add in the fact theres no such thing as a std hard tail, Each fabricator builds them to their own specs. so not easy to compare beyond very simple specs.
    Ill be off line for a few days, going up off the grid in the hills. But enjoy your weekend. Britbike.com and Jockey journal both have some great build threads as well as some really good picture threads for inspiration and ideas..
    This site here has some really good fab & tech posts as well and worth reading many of them...
    See: http://www.choppercompendium.com/ccforum/index.php
    Also, the GO-TO site for chopper builders is very well worth a read...
    See: http://www.chopperhandbook.com/

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    A couple shots of the frame being stripped before it went to be powder coated

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    Apologies for the delay lol

    Life and kids get in the way when youíre trying to get shit done. But not when youíre stuck at home because of Covid 19 🤪

    So 3 years later Iíve started on the rebuild again...

    For the moment Iím doing a mock up to see what is missing or needs to be replaced, most of the rubber mounts are starting to fall apart. And the wiring harness was a mess.

    The front end has new tubes and seals. I will mount it tonight if the kids arenít up too late...
    And if I can find the one ball bearing that hit the floor.

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    Every nut and bolt has been cleaned and gone over as I move through this rebuild.

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    Earlier I had suggested I was going to hardtail this build but decided to keep it as a full suspension. Lots of trails and places to disappear on out where I live so it only makes sense. Eventually I plan on fabricating my own frame but for now it will remain stock. Also I have been obsessing over old Bud Enkins and Steve McQueen footage of desert riding and racing, so fucking cool. These machines were built to be taken everywhere. Which is what I plan on doing.

    Any suggestions are welcome and Iím looking forward to getting this bad girl rolling again.

    If anyone is holding a side kickstand please DM me. Not sure if this model came with one but I like the idea of having options. For now I have put back the centre stand.

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    Today was cleaning day. Spent 3 hours with a ball of steel wool and a rag and cleaned up the rear wheel. Then went to town for a good hour on the front loop with a wire wheel, took it down to bare metal everywhere I could. Tomorrow I’ll take the dremel to the tight spots.
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    Was planning on mounting the front end but realized I was missing a ball bearing when I went to start the job. So that part will have to wait.

    Tomorrow I’ll go over and clean up the front wheel.

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    A few more hours in today while the kids played in the yard. The front end I had struggled with initially but in the end won the battle. The tubes, seals, O rings and dust excluder sleeve I had replaced a few years ago. I finally caved and took them to the vintage British bike shop and had them rebuilt. Unfortunately The shop is no longer there. The old guy Charlie who owned it finally decided to retire and move to the interior, now I have to buy Replacement parts online which isn’t so bad. But it was nice to have a shop to go into and actually touch feel and see things before I bought anything. Oh well such is life.

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    I spent a good hour cleaning the front wheel which was covered in rust spots dirt gunk and everything else you could imagine after sitting for 25+ years. It turns out a little elbow grease and some steel wool goes a long way. The chrome underneath it all is mint.

    That’s it for today.

    Cheers

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