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    So you are able to use electric and kick start?

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    I'm going to have to disagree with Tattoo on this one "point".
    Points are great, but try finding a dual point set up for a Harley. (Dual points = single fire) (single set of points = dual fire) confusing terminology, I know.

    Single fire saves the leg and the starter motor.
    (No "wasted spark" pushing backwards)
    So I recommend something like the Dyna-S-single-fire as an affordable and reliable kick friendly ignition. Even simpler than points and half the maintenance!
    But you have to run a single fire coil.
    Or two coils with dual plugged heads, but I digress.

    If you are "stuck" with the inferior solenoid,-on-primary starter setup (4 and 5 speeds came this way)... A kicker kit is definitely your friend.

    But yeah, the Softail denso starter setup don't need any help.

    If you want to strip her down and save weight chopper style...
    Ditch the starter, ditch the big batt and run an open primary.
    Your gonna need to start it somehow.
    I know, Maybe a kicker!

    My '76 shovel (a low comp, mild cammed stroker) has exactly that. A Vulcan single fire ignition and a second hand, non branded, kicker cover on a five speed. Mainshaft extension and all.
    I usually kick it, but if I'm feeling particularly lazy or in a great big hurry, I hit that button. (Feeler gauge on the solenoid trick)
    Been rocking it that way for years.

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    Single fire has a hidden bonus. Since it's two coils in one package if one side fails the other (depending on failure) may remain intact and permit limping home.

    It's also a bonus for the Britbike folks with aftermarket ignitions which fire wasted spark with any coil including stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariofoo View Post
    So you are able to use electric and kick start?
    Yes you are !! I would advise staying away from the Ultima Kicker conversion. I say this from experience
    Last edited by DirtySouth; 05-21-2020 at 8:44 PM.

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    What shit the bed on the Ultima?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtySouth View Post
    Yes you are !! I would advise staying away from the Ultima Kicker conversion. I say this from experience
    I was actually looking at the w&w one that @Sugarcubes suggested. Sadly they are out of stock and probably have been for a while. Can't seem to find it anywhere else either.

    Guess I'll just save some money up for the baker f5k kit.

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    hi there

    I got a question to a Pantspisser. How can it be that my friend has all stack 98 evo softail . he instaled kick and he kick the bike with problems . he didnt change ignition (stock) , voes is there... I read your post and called him . and he confirmed that he has all stock just bought cheap ckick on ebay and now for two years stars only with leg... how?

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    I meant he kick with NO problems ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roolis View Post
    he didnt change ignition
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    Somebody did

    The voes can be left hanging but not wired in

    Several aftermarket ignitions utilize a VOES

    Pretty sure the stock 98 Softail cdi box had dead revs, but maybe not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcubes View Post
    No mine wasn't the Cannonball one, pretty much for the same reason as the OP suggests. I don't have the disposable income for a 1.5k kicker when I already have the elec start. I wanted it as a back up in case of emergency and also just for fun / novelty if im being honest.

    The kit I bought from W&W is this one - https://www.wwag.com/cgi-bin/WebObje...?page=%2149835 its less than a 3rd of the price of the Cannonball but is definitely more heavy duty than some of the ebay kits that don't replace the bearing trap door and sit the kicker gears on probably 3 threads of the end of the shaft. The cheaper ones you just remove the standard clutch cover and basically bolt it on top of the existing trap door. This thing has a door about 1" thick of solid billet and the gears are heavier and more robust. I took the opportunity to replace my bearings whilst i was in there.

    I have no doubt the more expensive kits may last longer and be more durable in the long run but 6 months after installing, I have no issues with this kit and it works well. Just my own experience with it and understand others may not like it.
    I was looking at the Cannonball but just read your post and I am now looking at the one you bought. I like the Cannonball because it will work with my current exhaust. How much further out does this kit move the trans cover out from the stock trans cover? Not counting the kicker shaft and kicker arm. Did you have to change your pipes with the kicker you bought? What exhaust do you have on your bike? I have a 1995 Heritage Softail with Bassani true duals. The right side pipe hangs low under the transmission. I'll post a photo of my bike later.

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    couldn't tell you exactly but it moves it out a fair bit by probably 2 inches or so. The trap door is a solid inch thick of billet and the internals are sturdy with a good thick mainshaft extension that actually lets you thread on nice and tight unlike some of the cheap slimline versions where you are lucky to get two threads on.

    It wouldn't work with my stock dual pipes but I am running upsweep fishtails anyway so I have no issues with pipe clearance. Its a good kit and well built.

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