Is there a vin on the motor? Could you stamp that and title it off of that? Even if you have a neck/vin with no title...titles are super easy to get in Michigan. I do it frequently. Cheap and easy at any Secretary of state. If your in Brighton, my shop is just down the road....let me know if you need help.
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Is there a vin on the motor? Could you stamp that and title it off of that? Even if you have a neck/vin with no title...titles are super easy to get in Michigan. I do it frequently. Cheap and easy at any Secretary of state. If your in Brighton, my shop is just down the road....let me know if you need help.
I don't know why people get so confused by this. You, as a owner/citizen CANNOT modify, remove, or add a VIN number to a vehicle.
The ONLY people who can do those things are the oe manufacturer of the vehicle, and the FED/DMV.
If you have a custom frame and you want to title it to the number on the motor you can ask the state if they will do it, but they likely won't. They usually have their own sequential system and will give the frame/vehicle a VIN number based on their process, applying a VIN tag to the vehicle at your friendly local vehicle inspections office.
Take the bike and all the paperwork you need in and get this done right.
You'll likely need some combination of the following:
-Photos of the bike
-A letter from the seller stating how he acquired it and why he doesn't have a title
-A statement of facts from you stating how YOU acquired it and why you don't have a title
-An application for a title
-Possibly a bonding document
-For a new bike-
-Receipts for all major components (Save ALL receipts if you have them.)
Basically, the guy who will have to inspect all this shit will do his job, and if you walk in with all of your paperwork there and organized you make his job a million times easier and he will be much more prone to qualify the bike and get a tag for it.
Just be patient, organized and polite.Comment
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Even if there is a matching associated VIN on the motor, and that VIN is registered to you, you cannot stamp that VIN onto the neck. 99% of the time the engine numbers are not identical to the VIN number though... and if you DO stamp that engine number and then try to register it, it's not hard for the DMV to show that that is an ENGINE number... at which point they will be wondering how an engine number ended up stamped into a frame....hmmm.....
I don't know why people get so confused by this. You, as a owner/citizen CANNOT modify, remove, or add a VIN number to a vehicle.
The ONLY people who can do those things are the oe manufacturer of the vehicle, and the FED/DMV.
If you have a custom frame and you want to title it to the number on the motor you can ask the state if they will do it, but they likely won't. They usually have their own sequential system and will give the frame/vehicle a VIN number based on their process, applying a VIN tag to the vehicle at your friendly local vehicle inspections office.
Take the bike and all the paperwork you need in and get this done right.
You'll likely need some combination of the following:
-Photos of the bike
-A letter from the seller stating how he acquired it and why he doesn't have a title
-A statement of facts from you stating how YOU acquired it and why you don't have a title
-An application for a title
-Possibly a bonding document
-For a new bike-
-Receipts for all major components (Save ALL receipts if you have them.)
Basically, the guy who will have to inspect all this shit will do his job, and if you walk in with all of your paperwork there and organized you make his job a million times easier and he will be much more prone to qualify the bike and get a tag for it.
Just be patient, organized and polite.Comment
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I suppose it isn't difficult when you're recommending someone consider stamping a number that isn't a VIN number onto a frame though.
OP- the advice you are getting here is pretty bad. Call your local DMV or inspection office and explain the situation and ask them what you need.Comment
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LOL its sure is funny watching people cry about other peoples advice. The OP asked and people are answering him. I'm sure he is smart enough on his own to pick and choose what advise he will take. He already looked up what he has to do and even posted a link to it in his original post. He was asking if there was another way people are doing it. Its almost like people just want to jump on these forums and bitch about what other people have found to work for "them". Like I said in my post I am using a XS 650 neck and to me the neck is the most important part of the bike as that is where the vin is and that is the registered part. If I have a title to that neck then I will and have modified my bike to my liking. If I can't do this then all the hardtail mods and frame modifications on all the factory bikes that are registered should be illegal also.Comment
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LOL its sure is funny watching people cry about other peoples advice. The OP asked and people are answering him. I'm sure he is smart enough on his own to pick and choose what advise he will take. He already looked up what he has to do and even posted a link to it in his original post. He was asking if there was another way people are doing it. Its almost like people just want to jump on these forums and bitch about what other people have found to work for "them". Like I said in my post I am using a XS 650 neck and to me the neck is the most important part of the bike as that is where the vin is and that is the registered part. If I have a title to that neck then I will and have modified my bike to my liking. If I can't do this then all the hardtail mods and frame modifications on all the factory bikes that are registered should be illegal also.Comment
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I'll agree. I always cringe when i read about some of the stuff guys go through in Cali etc.
Ive gotten titles to jet skis, bikes, off road bikes, boats, and everything else with little to no documentation over the years. I think Michigan is one of the easiest Title states in the US.Comment
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I'll agree. I always cringe when i read about some of the stuff guys go through in Cali etc.
Ive gotten titles to jet skis, bikes, off road bikes, boats, and everything else with little to no documentation over the years. I think Michigan is one of the easiest Title states in the US.Comment
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What advice can you give in the case that you don't live there/title there? How about advice based on the factual information that the state of Michigan has available on the internet regarding how you VIN and register this kind of thing? I'd think that's more valid than an opinion like "It's not that hard."
But, you did confirm my initial advice about not listening to people recommending breaking the law because there is almost always a legal way to register things so you don't need to worry about getting busted fucking with VIN's.
Since he wanted info and not opinions, he answered his own question with the link he posted in the first post here. There's a legal way to do it. It's not as convenient, but its also not going to get his ass in trouble and his bike confiscated if a cop wants to be a boner.
You can talk about how it's not like every other state, but dude, the link shows what's required, and yes... it's similar to pretty much every other state.
In fact... for being such an easy breezy state to do this, you guys need more shit than we do here. We take pics, bring a title app, and a statement of facts in. That's it. If we don't have a ton of bills of sale for parts they don't care... as long as it's not a bike that gets stolen all the time they push it through, slap a number on it and give you a title. Otherwise you bond it... and then they give you a title.Last edited by IronHead73; 01-27-2014, 8:43 PM.Comment
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...doesn't matter if you're in Michigan, Florida, or Texas, modding/removing/swapping/stamping VIN numbers is illegal, which was more the point.
What advice can you give in the case that you don't live there/title there? How about advice based on the factual information that the state of Michigan has available on the internet regarding how you VIN and register this kind of thing? I'd think that's more valid than an opinion like "It's not that hard."
But, you did confirm my initial advice about not listening to people recommending breaking the law because there is almost always a legal way to register things so you don't need to worry about getting busted fucking with VIN's.
Since he wanted info and not opinions, he answered his own question with the link he posted in the first post here. There's a legal way to do it. It's not as convenient, but its also not going to get his ass in trouble and his bike confiscated if a cop wants to be a boner.
You can talk about how it's not like every other state, but dude, the link shows what's required, and yes... it's similar to pretty much every other state.
In fact... for being such an easy breezy state to do this, you guys need more shit than we do here. We take pics, bring a title app, and a statement of facts in. That's it. If we don't have a ton of bills of sale for parts they don't care... as long as it's not a bike that gets stolen all the time they push it through, slap a number on it and give you a title. Otherwise you bond it... and then they give you a title.Comment
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stamping vin's is illegal, with that being said, keep your mouth shut about it and you'll probably have no issues. hardest part will be finding the proper stamps that you need. When these inspections are done, here in KY, they are looking to make sure the bike is safe and road worthy. If you have not purchased a bike yet, get a pre 1970 ironhead motor and you will have no worries as its titled to the motor not the frame.Comment
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