My dad didn't go to college and he was a union carpenter for 32 years at the place I'm working. He made decent money but all the young guys he taught who had at least an associates degree ended up making more money than him and a few of them became his bosses. I didn't have the best of grades in high school so community college is my best bet, I think I get any kind of degree it will probably help.
Isn't education about the betterment of the person not the fucking paycheck?
Sort of stunned by the fucking ignorance and anti-education bent up in these parts...
Does reading fucking Beowulf in Old English make you a better carpenter?
Who fucking cares - reading it connects you with the panoply of human accomplishment and experience...
It used to be the expectation that the American farmer would sit by his lamp and plod his way through Homer and Plato until the elitists of the Academy declared those working hands too ignorant to understand the nuance and then art was relegated to the land of sycophants and specialists (example: no pulitzer in fiction this year because books by authors like George Martin are too beneath the denzien class)
Why are you reinforcing with pride these class stereotypes designed to keep you dumb, ignorant, and undeserving of an educated mind?
I'm from illiterate Irish immigrant trash who used education to leave the ghetto because education not income is the only way out of the ghetto
Why the fuck did I go to Harvard?
It wasn't for the paycheck, holmes
Paperwork isn't required
But it takes a lot more work to do it outside the classroom than within it. (see Wilson, August)
Right on, MadRiver!
People embrace ignorance like it's some sort of blood earned street cred.
"I don't know who John Quincy Adams is and I don't care. But I bet I could beat his ass."
As a country, we fucking suck in all things academic. You ever see a 12th grade Highschool final exam from the late 1800's/early 1900's? I guarantee 90% of us(myself included) couldn't pass that thing clean. We are dumbing down our country and giving everyone participation medals.
Learn everything you can because it makes you a better person, no matter what you do with your life. Plus it makes you more interesting. You'll know about all kinds of shit. Like how the Titanic was a real ship and not just a movie from 1997.
Can you believe that?! Fucking teens/young adults thought it was just a super lame movie with no historical bearing!! I wanted to barf when I heard that.
college is bull shit, homie. pick up a trade, join a union, and live a happy life. if i could have these past 4 years of my life back, i'd do it all different. and it's not major-specific unemployment. pretty much all of my friends who aren't finance majors or electrical engineers (and even some who are) haven't found any solid work after graduation. it's rough out there.
either way, best of luck in whatever you do. i was the first person in my family to go to college. my folks are extremely proud, but pride won't pay my bills.
if you DO have to go, community college is a great way to do it. bang out two years there, get your associate degree, then head up to a four year and get your bachelors. just look out for all the dipshit know it all's on campus who think that because they're of voting age and can go to bars, that they're adults. it'll get irritating after a while.
#1. FUCK THIS ADVICE.
While I agree that Community College into a 4yr is a good idea, I DO NOT agree with College being invaluable. I"ve spent my entire career as a Headhunter and Companies want degrees. PERIOD. You may get in at the ground level without one but you'll quickly get passed by younger guys with degrees, even in the Trades.
Also, I live and work in Detroit, you know what the major demise of industry in this city was??? Unions; would you pay a guy $60 bucks an hr to mow your lawn? I didnt think so. I understand why they came about to protect workers rights, but there is a fine line between protecting rights and getting greedy.
And Congrats on getting out of high school. HS sucked.......college kicked ass- (And I payed for that shit myself working 40 hrs/ wk as a Bartender)
People embrace ignorance like it's some sort of blood earned street cred.
"I don't know who John Quincy Adams is and I don't care. But I bet I could beat his ass."
As a country, we fucking suck in all things academic. You ever see a 12th grade Highschool final exam from the late 1800's/early 1900's? I guarantee 90% of us(myself included) couldn't pass that thing clean. We are dumbing down our country and giving everyone participation medals.
Learn everything you can because it makes you a better person, no matter what you do with your life. Plus it makes you more interesting. You'll know about all kinds of shit. Like how the Titanic was a real ship and not just a movie from 1997.
Can you believe that?! Fucking teens/young adults thought it was just a super lame movie with no historical bearing!! I wanted to barf when I heard that.
That's because, as a socierty we're to busy keeping up with the kardashians. We don't let our kids watch any of that fuckin bullshit. We're super pro-education in my house. The world has enough dumbasses. I didn't want to create 2 more. I tell them all the time to learn as much as you can and be smart, so you can make fun of stupid people
Isn't education about the betterment of the person not the fucking paycheck?
Sort of stunned by the fucking ignorance and anti-education bent up in these parts...
Does reading fucking Beowulf in Old English make you a better carpenter?
Who fucking cares - reading it connects you with the panoply of human accomplishment and experience...
It used to be the expectation that the American farmer would sit by his lamp and plod his way through Homer and Plato until the elitists of the Academy declared those working hands too ignorant to understand the nuance and then art was relegated to the land of sycophants and specialists (example: no pulitzer in fiction this year because books by authors like George Martin are too beneath the denzien class)
Why are you reinforcing with pride these class stereotypes designed to keep you dumb, ignorant, and undeserving of an educated mind?
I'm from illiterate Irish immigrant trash who used education to leave the ghetto because education not income is the only way out of the ghetto
Why the fuck did I go to Harvard?
It wasn't for the paycheck, holmes
Paperwork isn't required
But it takes a lot more work to do it outside the classroom than within it. (see Wilson, August)
Well im close to your age man so mabye this will help, but I say go to college. I Could have gone to the oil rigs and made a shitload of money like all my friends did, but I went to school for engineering. While the guys on the rigs will probably always make more, its hard living and I can honestly say that even tho im not done yet, the intern work I have done has been enjoyable and rewarding. Just something to think about.
Well im close to your age man so mabye this will help, but I say go to college. I Could have gone to the oil rigs and made a shitload of money like all my friends did, but I went to school for engineering. While the guys on the rigs will probably always make more, its hard living and I can honestly say that even tho im not done yet, the intern work I have done has been enjoyable and rewarding. Just something to think about.
I'm in the oil industry. Be patient dude. Those guys are going to be rig hands/operators for the rest of their lives. It's dangerous... Piping gets loose, H2S gas, errant operators moving equipment and crushing you... It's good money when you're young, but depending where you are, they're going to top out at $65k +/-.
Go to the oil industry as an engineer and double that salary. When I roll on a field/lease with my clean hardhat, normal jeans(sans oil), you can see the envy from those dudes. It's fucking hard work dude. Be an engineer instead.
Now You can go get your social security card & join the rest of us slaves, & good luck finding a job.in the land O 'change
oh yeah, & congratchulationz
You hear that shit Mitt Romney said, “Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business,” he said, citing a friend of his who took out a $20,000 loan from his parents.
You hear that everyone?? It's super easy to get your life in order!
"Dad! Mom! Dude!!! I am so pumped! I just got this great idea from Mitt Romney!! No time to explain, I need $20 large for an idea I have!!! It's time to get my risk on!"
Well im close to your age man so mabye this will help, but I say go to college. I Could have gone to the oil rigs and made a shitload of money like all my friends did, but I went to school for engineering. While the guys on the rigs will probably always make more, its hard living and I can honestly say that even tho im not done yet, the intern work I have done has been enjoyable and rewarding. Just something to think about.
I'm with CMA, to to school and don't do shit bc your friends are doing it! I'm only 22, went to a trades/arts school and earned an Associates in something I like to do, and now I manage a crew of people that the youngest one is still 8 years older than myself. They do look to you with envy because you earned that "piece of paper" as they usually call it, and the fact you make almost double
Good fucking lord, I wish i had a Harley in high school. I had my mom's '88 powder blue Jetta that I wrapped around a fire hydrant while doing donuts in the snow, which consequently had a dent the size human in the front quarter panel, that I tried to fix with bondo myself and ended up looking worse. And it didn't have reverse.
Actually, I'm glad I didn't have a MC until I was out of college. I'd be dead now.
"just look out for all the dipshit know it all's on campus who think that because they're of voting age and can go to bars, that they're adults. it'll get irritating after a while."
Really? Dude, your 22.
exactly. i'm 22 and acknowledge with complete humbleness that i'm still a dumb kid with a ton of shit to learn. what's worse is being surrounded by people who don't realize anything. who the fuck was it? socrates or plato who said "the only thing i know, is that i know nothing"? whatever.
People embrace ignorance like it's some sort of blood earned street cred.
"I don't know who John Quincy Adams is and I don't care. But I bet I could beat his ass."
As a country, we fucking suck in all things academic. You ever see a 12th grade Highschool final exam from the late 1800's/early 1900's? I guarantee 90% of us(myself included) couldn't pass that thing clean. We are dumbing down our country and giving everyone participation medals.
Learn everything you can because it makes you a better person, no matter what you do with your life. Plus it makes you more interesting. You'll know about all kinds of shit. Like how the Titanic was a real ship and not just a movie from 1997.
Can you believe that?! Fucking teens/young adults thought it was just a super lame movie with no historical bearing!! I wanted to barf when I heard that.
who the fuck told either of you two that you LEARN things in college? you know what i learned in college? how much i fucking hate college. that's what i learned. and i'm graduating highest honors with an almost perfect GPA.
So it's not like I tried it and couldn't do it.. i tried it, succeeded, and learned nothing.
pardon all the famous quotes, but Zappa said it best: if you want to get laid, go to college... if you want to learn, read a book. it's that fuckin simple.
and talking all this shit about dumbing down our country... who do you think actively contributes to the dumbing down of american youth? institutions of higher education..
i go to Rutgers university. tuition's being raised this year - not to help clean up the campuses or fund new buildings, but because we're 40 million dollars in debt with our football program, because we decided to build a football stadium that we literally can't fill with asses. the average professor makes anywhere between 60-85 grand a year, which isn't bad... but the university president makes 650,000 a year. for what?
college is the next .com bubble. everyone is throwing all this money at it, all these kids are buying into it, but no one, except the people at the top, is getting anything from it.
and i've said it once, and i'll say it a million times - we've upset a very sensitive ecosystem in this country. we've taken a very sensitive balance between blue collar and white collar people, and we've tried to mix it all together. in my area, our vocational schools don't have the enrollment to fill their two brand new tig welding classes. the few enrolled students they DO have aren't looking to pick up a trade, but are rather looking for college preparatory classes to help them make it through school.
our blue collar industries are starving (I, myself, have been witness to it), while our white collar industries are being flooded. a simple (and probably inaccurate, but you get the point) example is that in 1950, there were 5000 teaching jobs, and 4600 people trying to become teachers. in 2012, there are 3000 teaching jobs, and 30,000 people trying to become teachers.
if anyone thinks kids are going to college to learn anything, they're a jaded old fool. they all want the same thing at the end of four years - that little piece of paper that says "i did this, and now you can hire me, because i'm 'qualified.'"
Its all up to you, if I could turn back the clock there's literally a thousand things I could have done differently. I'm a member of 2 unions both of which do me no good now because I don't work in either industry any longer. I've gone to college and didn't finish, ended up changing majors a couple times. Thats one thing I wish I'd finished up. I know several trades really well but they have nothing to do with what I do now. I can say one thing and since neither of you have brought it up I don't think its going to be a problem but the military can be a bit like running on a treadmill. Lots of benefits but you can end up working your ass off for them, or worse losing it. I'm going to be 41 in a month and I don't regret anything I've done it all ads up to life experience. Whats important is that at the end of the day you're still happy with what you're doing with your life.
college is the next .com bubble. everyone is throwing all this money at it, all these kids are buying into it, but no one, except the people at the top, is getting anything from it.
if anyone thinks kids are going to college to learn anything, they're a jaded old fool. they all want the same thing at the end of four years - that little piece of paper that says "i did this, and now you can hire me, because i'm 'qualified.'"
interesting. So if one doesnt learn anything in college, would you fly in a plane that was built by people who didnt have any education further than highschool?
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