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    Default Tire change vent

    An observation and rant: WITF is it SO hard to find a biz that will change a tire if you bring one to them. Yeah, I've heard the, "Its an insurance thing", or, "We just cant get to it". Or how bout the classic, "Our policy is we only mount tires bought here"..........

    And IF you can find a place to change a tire, it about 80-90 bone to do it. And that with the wheel OFF the bike

    And before anyone says do it with strap and tire irons, NO thanks. Been there, done it, it sucks, and try it with size of MC tires nowadays. They are pretty big and beefy ........

    Apparently, I'm not the only one: Its so bad there are 2 guys locally that thats the only thing they do out of thier house and they get ALLOT of biz. How does $25 bucks, balanced sound? (You have to bring your tube if thats the case). And they do it right there while you wait.

    So who else has encountered getting tires mounted?

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    There is no upside for a motorcycle shop to mount a carry-in tire, period. I made that mistake when I first got into the business. A couple of old guys would bring in new tires, and I mounted them. They never as much as bought a spark plug from me. I finally said to myself, screw them, let them buy their own tire machine. And that's the point, you gotta pay for the tools somehow, tire machine ain't free.

    What I did offer is free mount & balance of a new tire bought from me, if the customer brought in the rim. Had several takers on that deal.

    Just a perspective from the shop side.

    Jim

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    My guess is: Amazon.

    Which would be fine with me? I'd just up the price for mounting and balancing and do it anyway!

    But here, there aren't many places that have a MC changer, anyway. And they never had the size or type you wanted in stock. (Last time they were close - They had a whitewall to fit it.) And their tire prices were totally outrageous to begin with.

    I just got sick of dicking around with them, so I bought a bead breaker/hand changer and a balancer, and I do it myself.

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    My experience was before Amazon even existed, but there have been mail-order tire companies around forever.

    And c, you have the right idea, tool up and do it yourself. That's how I got into this trouble to start with. 32 years & counting.

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBinNC View Post
    And c, you have the right idea, tool up and do it yourself. That's how I got into this trouble to start with. 32 years & counting.

    Jim
    lol.. It's a sickness.

    I'm looking at lathes and mills now..

    And Farmall's container machine shop set up. (Which would actually work pretty good. Some of the containers even have side doors.)

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    Machine tools need concrete floors to do decent work. Six inches is a good minimum for a machine shop floor. My big ol' Tarnow lathe specifies 18" pillars for the headstock and way column (foot).

    Jim

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    I did the same as Confab.
    Bought Weaver tire machine and balancer machine.
    Also purchased the adapters for motorcycle tires.
    I've changing tires by hand since a teen, started on split rims with a hand held tire wedge, anyway...
    Kept on spooning my own off & on, you get old, and the wrastlin' does too.
    I'm a happy camper and don't advertise myself out, but have helped out some close friends.
    Not everyone has the cash, or space to invest in them, I get it.

    added edit: Mine are air powered, I built my own shop with a huge compressor within its own building (compressor house), I knew what all I wanted before retiring, tried to complete that goal, still no lathe though...
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    Totally out of room in my shop.. Literally nowhere to go with them, or I'd probably have bought both already.

    FB is loaded with stuff right now.

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    You have to remember that shops get fined/charged/taxed/whatever you call it, to dispose of old tires. It's not exactly cheap, and its just one more thing they have to deal with on top of the other BS. It actually doesn't make any sense to do it, from a business standpoint, except if offered as a perk for business. It's a gray area even then, and I know tire sales wouldn't mean shit to me if'n I were a for-profit business.

    Here's what you do... Buy a set of these, Ebay# 194202999067, Find yourself one fine-ass 64 yr old wife, and put 'em on with your own 250lb ass.

    Seriously, at least you won't feel nearly as screwed after you do it yourself once (because they really aren't screwing you to begin with), and it will bring you and your wife closer. Family moments and all that good shit, ya know.

    ETA: $25 for a mount/balance sounds like a fucking DEAL!!! Do it.
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    As a shop owner for 38 years I see it as taking a steak to a steak house and wanting them to cook it for you! Try it sometime and report back how it went, Thanks

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    if ya trying to save money,. fit ya own tires, it is piss easy once you know how,
    you do NOT need to force or struggle or break a sweat to get a bike tire on,
    all you need are 3 x 18'' tire irons, an air pump. Nylon Rim Protectors & a ratchet strap (if ya have problems seating a tubeless) & some dish washing soap to ease it all on with or tire lube if you can get some,
    if you get the tire bead in the center of the rim as you feed it on they as good as fit themselves, if ya struggle, ya doing it wrong,
    I don't blame shops not wanting to fit a tire if ya didn't buy from them, they make fuck all out of it,
    most shops I know don't charge to fit if you buy the tire from them unless the wheel is still in the bike, (some people can't even get their wheel off !!) plus they balance it for ya as well, so the cost does even it'self out,
    if ya wanna save money by buying from a discount tire suppliers, ya really should learn to change them yaself
    one place I know will not fit your tires unless they are a special that they cannot supply, like some of the big mud tyres I fit to my Land Rover but always by giving prior notice & get the thumbs up,
    but bike tyres I fit myself, seems to be newbe's go to shops & us old fucks do them ourselves

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    No problems here in San Diego.

    For over a decade I brought just my wheels, and tires bought off the internet, to a dealership shop (Vey's Powersports). They charged me $25 to remove the old tire, mount the new one, and balance, while I wait (about 20 minutes). And never a complaint or a word said about me not buying a tire from them. I even brought my own valve stems bought off the internet.

    And when I wanted a "rear" tire mounted on a front rim (same exact size) they did it without issue. All I had to do is sign a waiver. I'll also mention that I've never purchased a bike from them.

    Then I moved (still in San Diego), and there is a small, independent bike repair shop literally right next door to my apartment complex. The guy who runs the place is super cool and very friendly. I've been taking my wheels to him for my last 2 tire changes. He charges $25 for the tire change/balance, $4 fee for disposing of the old tire (my choice, I can take the tire if I want), and I throw in an extra $5 as a gratuity just because I'm happy to have him so close and I want to do what I can to keep him in business.

    Takes him about 20-30 minutes to do the job. I don't even have to sit around waiting. I just walk back to my appartment.

    He has never said a word about where I buy my tires, and no waiver for mounting a rear tire on a front rim. And he appreciates the extra $5.

    Cheap and easy tire changes, and great all-year riding weather. Life is good in San Diego.
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    Learn how to DIY. and 1) You'll never have to look for someone to do it for you cheaply, and
    2) If you want you could be the guy charging to change tires.

    A tire changing "station" makes all the difference in the world (for my gimpy ass anyway)

    This article gives a pretty good description to "build" one. http://www.clarity.net/~adam/tire-changing.html
    A bead breaking tool is very handy also but I just use a couple of C-clamps to break the bead.
    One of those overpriced No-Mar or No-Scuff tools really makes it easy but some regular tire spoons work just fine.
    Good luck either way you decide to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivermark View Post
    A tire changing "station" makes all the difference in the world (for my gimpy ass anyway)
    That's a good idea! A fellow could weld a 2.5" 'receiver' tube to the bench to accept a 2" mount welded to the wheel for easy break down when not in use.

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    I just mount mine to the top of my work table w/ some 5/8 all thread and a couple blocks of plywood and 5/8 nuts. I use the all thread and a couple more blocks and nuts to clamp down the wheel/tire combo to work on it.

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    I use this:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    This...
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    And this...
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Then it becomes an easy job, and they're not radically expensive. The bead breaker is expecially great to have.

    (Not advertising Amazon, but the links are the simplest ones to grab.)


    TIP: Put some foam pipe insulation around the top and it protects mag wheels better. U bolt the thing to your workbench when you need it and hang it on the wall when you do not.

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    TIP:
    After the bead is broke loose, remove the tire starting at the valve stem, one bead at a time.
    The bead needs to drop into the rim's recess, it can cut, or ruin a valve stem by not starting at the stem.
    It's just the opposite when mounting, end up at the valve stem.
    Yes, lube makes it easier, I use a thin amount of vaseline, never an issue so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzienlee View Post
    if ya trying to save money,. fit ya own tires, it is piss easy once you know how,
    you do NOT need to force or struggle or break a sweat to get a bike tire on,
    all you need are 3 x 18'' tire irons, an air pump. Nylon Rim Protectors & a ratchet strap (if ya have problems seating a tubeless) & some dish washing soap to ease it all on with or tire lube if you can get some,
    if you get the tire bead in the center of the rim as you feed it on they as good as fit themselves, if ya struggle, ya doing it wrong,
    I don't blame shops not wanting to fit a tire if ya didn't buy from them, they make fuck all out of it,
    most shops I know don't charge to fit if you buy the tire from them unless the wheel is still in the bike, (some people can't even get their wheel off !!) plus they balance it for ya as well, so the cost does even it'self out,
    if ya wanna save money by buying from a discount tire suppliers, ya really should learn to change them yaself
    one place I know will not fit your tires unless they are a special that they cannot supply, like some of the big mud tyres I fit to my Land Rover but always by giving prior notice & get the thumbs up,
    but bike tyres I fit myself, seems to be newbe's go to shops & us old fucks do them ourselves
    Well, let's see: With two Purple Hearts , one earned on Iraq, the other in Somalia, it's just a little difficult to mount my own tires. Its physically hard enough just to remove the rear wheel in the first place. And I've been riding probably longer than you have been alive (45 years of riding and wrenching).

    Are you picking up on my sarcasm? I hope so, because I picked up on yours.......... But I still ride AND wrench

    My post wasn't to get a lecture of how I should do it myself. It was to get a view of others that have experienced what I have, and to get the backside view of shop owners.

    Look, there are of riders of ALL agesand sex that don't have the luxury of space or tools, or the money to but them. Living in an apartment, or other places where space, income, HOA's, time or experience at this time in thier life, really limits how a person may be able to get the right tools. That comes with time

    At least you gave some recommendations on how to change one, which is what this site is about. But sarcasm, I'm not sure it gets the job done

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    You can find used tire machines on craigslist pretty cheap sometimes. Then you can get the motorcycle tire adapter on ebay. You can do a pretty decent static balance with a truing stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmel View Post
    Well, let's see: With two Purple Hearts , one earned on Iraq, the other in Somalia, it's just a little difficult to mount my own tires. Its physically hard enough just to remove the rear wheel in the first place. And I've been riding probably longer than you have been alive (45 years of riding and wrenching).

    Are you picking up on my sarcasm? I hope so, because I picked up on yours.......... But I still ride AND wrench

    My post wasn't to get a lecture of how I should do it myself. It was to get a view of others that have experienced what I have, and to get the backside view of shop owners.

    Look, there are of riders of ALL agesand sex that don't have the luxury of space or tools, or the money to but them. Living in an apartment, or other places where space, income, HOA's, time or experience at this time in thier life, really limits how a person may be able to get the right tools. That comes with time

    At least you gave some recommendations on how to change one, which is what this site is about. But sarcasm, I'm not sure it gets the job done
    I've been building & riding for 45 years myself, you didn't say you were disabled, just as I also didn't say I was also disabled & unable to walk, I can still throw a tire iron & change a tire, ...just explaining that if ya want cheap you have to do things yaself, if ya cant do them yaself, you have to get the shop to get & fit ya tires & open ya wallet, ya cant have it both ways.............

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