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  • Cooldean69
    Member
    • Jul 2021
    • 86

    Ironhead cam bushings

    Tore down the 1972 sportster and one of the cam bushings is loose, loose enough to pull out. It looks like the dowel pin came out and was at some point consumed. What can be used as a dowel pin? Should the bushing be loctited into place? I have read that a bushing that is too tight can cause damage but too loose will simply result in a noisy drive train but I believe they were talking about cam to bushing tolerance (line reaming) not bushing to case tolerance. What should I use for a dowel pin? Is there any hope in re-using these bushings? If not how do I remove and replace them. I appreciate any insight, pictures to follow
  • Cooldean69
    Member
    • Jul 2021
    • 86

    #2
    I believe Dragstews has a thread on this but I am pretty in the dark as to what the hell I was even looking at on there, looks like he heated the case and froze the bushings to drop them into place but I am curious as to how you get the old ones out

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    • Cooldean69
      Member
      • Jul 2021
      • 86

      #3
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      • Dragstews
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 13739

        #4
        This has seen some run time ... When I pulled it off the motor the pinion bushing fell off... Was chromed at one time in it's life. Platers did a poor job of protecting the bushings from flash plating and they got a dose of chrome... I striped the chrome and intend to powdercoat the cover... A few places will need Lab-Metal
        Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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        • Cooldean69
          Member
          • Jul 2021
          • 86

          #5
          How’d U get them out dude

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          • JBinNC
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 2714

            #6
            You need an oversize bushing to replace the loose one. The bushings come in plus .005, and sometimes plus .010. You may need to reduce the OD of the oversize bushing so that the amount of press fit is within limit. .0015 - .0020 press fit is what you want, and yes, you can Loctite the new bushing in place. I always pin the new bushing in the factory manner, and the pin is H-D part # 275. The repair manual covers the pinning procedure. You must align ream any bushing that you replace. Do not make the mistake of thinking that you can reuse the old, loose bushing. If you don't have the tools for this work, have it done by a competent shop.

            Jim

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            • JBinNC
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2018
              • 2714

              #7
              You should use a telescope gauge & micrometer to check the running clearance of the other bushings and their respective cams. Remember that the cam journals wear, too.

              To remove a bushing, you can thread it and screw in a threaded plug attached to a slide hammer and pop them out, or use a blind bearing/ bushing puller if you are so equipped ($$).

              Jim

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              • Dragstews
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 13739

                #8
                Originally posted by Cooldean69
                How’d U get them out dude
                Blind Hole puller ...

                In the thread that I posted shows it in use ...

                Be best to line ream after a replacement bushing has been installed ..
                Will need a donner crankcase to use to pilot the ream ..

                Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                • Cooldean69
                  Member
                  • Jul 2021
                  • 86

                  #9
                  Thank you

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                  • Dragstews
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 13739

                    #10
                    From what I can see from your photos, all the bushings should be replace ...
                    Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                    • confab
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2019
                      • 1337

                      #11
                      It is not a particularly heavy part.. Maybe you could mail it to someone here on them forum with the right tools and pay them to do it for you?

                      Even if you had an old case laying around, specialty reamers are a big investment for one job.

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                      • Dragstews
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 13739

                        #12
                        That's ^^ a good idea ...

                        (Heard that FedEx and UPS are going to merge, renaming the Company to "Fed-Up")
                        Take my 45 and outrun em all ..

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                        • farmall
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 9983

                          #13
                          Originally posted by confab
                          It is not a particularly heavy part.. Maybe you could mail it to someone here on them forum with the right tools and pay them to do it for you?

                          Even if you had an old case laying around, specialty reamers are a big investment for one job.
                          ^^^ That's a VERY good idea. ^^^

                          Much as I love buying new tools (and an excuse to either buy another set of cases or a timing side to use with said tools) I learned it's not cost-effective to DIY everything. Even professional machinists outsource.

                          1972 was a very long time ago so it would be wise to inspect the rest of the bottom end carefully while it's apart, or if the bike is a keeper perhaps rebuild that too. (I tend to do that on keepers since the labor is a bigger asspain than buying parts.)

                          What do the cams and tappets look like? Post plenty of clear pics to help others help you.

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                          • rockman96
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2018
                            • 895

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dragstews
                            That's ^^ a good idea ...

                            (Heard that FedEx and UPS are going to merge, renaming the Company to "Fed-Up")
                            Oh... I thought it was 'Fucked Up'.

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                            • Cooldean69
                              Member
                              • Jul 2021
                              • 86

                              #15
                              Cams are in decent shape haven’t seen any pitting, one of the tappet blocks was cracked and tappet was frozen in there, I got some spare parts with the deal including some rappers and blocks which I’m going to use in place of the cracked one, also came with another basket 72 which is sitting on the bench in parts with no title. I am willing to purchase tools because I want to learn everything I can on this one so when it’s time to rebuild the bench basket I can hopefully do everything “right” from the ground up. I live in Phoenix so I considered going to mmi which is a motorcycle school here but I work over time so I don’t have time and honestly it’s pretty expensive so I would rather invest my money in tools. Maybe once I’m rich and famous I’ll consider going to school for this stuff but right now this forum and these manuals are working ok. Here’s some photos Click image for larger version

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