Ha ha Neodutch you're funny. You're also being an ass. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's another to slam our friends for voicing theirs. Suggesting they are coming to my aid just beacuse Im a woman. That part is offensive. As for your opinion I welcome it. I wouldn't have added this thread if I didn't want to hear a wide variety of opinions. Just like our bikes and the barage of folks on this site I excpect the opinions to vary greatly.Thank God for variety. As for Mike's bike I think he did an amazing job especially when you take into account it was his second chop ever. Furthermore the innovation he executed in this particular scenario may not be your idea of perfect but inventing his process on his own in a field unknown to him resulted in what I feel is a beautiful bike. Ps Mike did not post this I did. mike is not on the cult because he could cate less. And lastly for the record other than the welding I Built my damn bike ha ha. Ps love you guys you know who you are.
I've heard of people doing that with the swingarm.
He knows how he did it, regardless it's a pretty cool bike that he should be happy to ride.
By the way, for Mike, I have heard of people using the stock swingarm to weld up a hardtail and kind of using it as a "jig" of sorts to keep it all straight. He could weld the lower rails on later and use the stock adjusters as axleplates possibly. Just cut out the swingarm once it's all set. But I could see getting it how he has it and saying..."Hell yeah! Let's ride!"
Sweet bike. I'm sure he likes riding with his lady too.
Last edited by Bandersnatch; 04-15-2012 at 11:37 AM.
Reason: w-h-i-t. Oh, E!
Many, many people will add struts or weld a swingarm to save time money instead of a full on hardtail. It's a great idea if you ever want to go back to shocks. The honda rebel forum I'm on for example tons of folks do it there because they don't have the welding skills or want to spend the cash as they don't make a rigid frame for a rebel motor. I think the bike looks great as I said earlier.
Neodick is just being an asshole. It's one thing to have an opinion, yet another to be a condescending prick to Mike and Lindsey. The opinion could have been stated in many other ways. Then to insult the rest of the crowd who disagree by calling them teens is just a real shithead move. Even if it's not your personal flavor one can appreciate the effort of someone elses ingenuity
God I hope you all aren't teens I'm 36 and I'd feel like a perv.
Oh I see, I can have an opinion, but only if it agrees with everyone else.
If you read back, I haven't been a "condescending prick" to Mike and Lindsey, I simply said that I didn't care for the method used to modify that bike. It was the likes of JohnnyBones, poonslammer and you Detale, that have got all defensive about it.
A better option in my opinion, would be to stretch the swingarm a couple of inches and reinstall it. Set the ride height where you want it. Weld in the upper rear legs from the frame to the swingarm, and then the lower rear legs. Cut out the section of the swingarm you don't need now ie everything except the axle area and finish it all off with some nice caps and gussets.
As I said the other day, a tube that appears to bolt to the lower swingarm mount and is then welded onto the backbone is not a great idea. Well, not one I'd stake my life on anyway.
No, what I clearly said was" It's one thing to have an opinion, yet another to be a condescending prick" Maybe you should read back, or up or whatever.
Oh and I read back yesterday, and then again today just to be sure and you were being condescending man. You didn't simply say you didn't care for the method used, you said "Welding a tube between the swingarm and the frame is a less than ideal solution. Not a mod I would take pride in". Who knows maybe you didn't mean it that way after all it is the internet and nuances in language are often lost in script, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. I will say that's how I read it and apparently I'm not alone. To me, it's pretty fucking raw to be worded like that. I read it as You should be embarrassed to post that let alone tell anyone you've done this for it's shameful and not worth of pride.
I for one have seen this done many of times over as a cheap, easy, or temporary solution and seemingly it has worked well assuming that the people who have done it aren't dead from it and that's why I haven't read any horror stories about doing this. Ultimately though this matters for fuck all because Mike obviously likes it so do many people here and isn't that what it's all about anyway?
In short I guess my only point worth a damn here is I think you should be nicer when you post or people will perceive you to be a shithead man. Good luck out there.
I think I saw this Triumph at Mooneyes last year. I walked up to get a closer look and I heard a few guys picking the swing arm mod apart. While I agree it is pretty outta the box thinking, the paint color, 21'' wheel and clip-ons are right on the money, I'm not sure the swing arm mod would be structurally something I would do or trust. Pot holes and rough roads are really gonna put a LOT of stress on those welds, and I'd hate to see this guy take a dumper.
While I'm not defending Neodutch and am surely not trying to shit on anyone's parade, I agree with him. Its obvious this guy has the skills to fab, but the OP stated herself that his experience is limited. Not sure i'd be willing to gamble on it. If this reads as condescending, I apologize.
Perfectly well put opinion. I have heard some debate on the mod and honestly I take the argument that it's not the welds you have to worry about when you crash a crater of a pothole but the swingarm bolt that gets most of the stress. That's the piece not designed for stress in that fashion. However it's basically the same thing as bolting struts on instead of shocks. Which I am still surprised you guys haven't seen too often. I'll post some pics in a few when I get home of some examples I've seen this done for years now and honestly can't remember a horror story coming out of it.
Looking for pics i came across this page (Choppers Australia) and it's pretty informative on the terminology for those that don't know. About half way down in the "Rear ends" section is refers to struts as "Replacing the shock absorbers with short struts of solid bar or tube is a quick, cheap and a simple way of dropping the rear end, losing weight and getting the chopper look"
Come to think of it. Whats the point of bolt on struts if not to replace the shocks? Welding them on is just as strong as bolting no?
Here is Mikes response. For the record He put on the 21" wheel on Thursday night and did the whole chop Friday and finished at 4am and rode the bike to Born Free at 8am on Sat. He slept under a tree at the event all day. It was fun for him and he love's riding it. Watch for his frame up build of the Knuckle he longs for.
"Found some pics of the hard tail fab...from start to finish. I don't know if they are worth sharing, but like I have said from the beginning...I am not that proud of the swing arm method...but I am proud I put it together by taking off a Friday and riding to Born Free the next morning. Plus its just steel...it can always be re-worked. I would rather focus on a different frame all together before spending to much time on the tail."