Can we talk about Donald Trump for a second please

BTW semi-skilled and unskilled jobs are what you do while working toward an actual career doing something else. Construction was always a bucket-of-crabs field vulnerable to housing swings (and inevitable Recessions since housing is driven by economic bubbles) and if you are working in a warehouse for any length of time that's a warning to compete for something with a future.

Warehouse labor is vulnerable to robotic replacement. The future is lights-out manufacturing and lights-out logistics with the pieces now falling into place. Note the humans in the video below are only useful because current robotic vision and package manipulation is not quite up to meat worker levels so the robots are tasked where their mature technologies are most effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBa9yVZBJM

Since this is a gearhead community I suggest learning everything you can about technology, NOT just a stovepiped vulnerable specialty. (For example it will remain difficult to find good industrial maintenance techs because that requires a gearhead outlook and multiple skills and because experience is key noobs can't easily catch you once you begin.)

If your hobbies and career are all about technology you can lead a skilled life, smash your overhead costs for everything from housing on down and be less vulnerable to loss of a particular job.

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Originally Posted by farmall

BTW semi-skilled and unskilled jobs are what you do while working toward an actual career doing something else. Construction was always a bucket-of-crabs field vulnerable to housing swings (and inevitable Recessions since housing is driven by economic bubbles) and if you are working in a warehouse for any length of time that's a warning to compete for something with a future.

Warehouse labor is vulnerable to robotic replacement. The future is lights-out manufacturing and lights-out logistics with the pieces now falling into place. Note the humans in the video below are only useful because current robotic vision and package manipulation is not quite up to meat worker levels so the robots are tasked where their mature technologies are most effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBa9yVZBJM

Since this is a gearhead community I suggest learning everything you can about technology, NOT just a stovepiped vulnerable specialty. (For example it will remain difficult to find good industrial maintenance techs because that requires a gearhead outlook and multiple skills and because experience is key noobs can't easily catch you once you begin.)

If your hobbies and career are all about technology you can lead a skilled life, smash your overhead costs for everything from housing on down and be less vulnerable to loss of a particular job.

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Even with all the robotic advances, humans are still required for many different jobs. I applied for a supervisor position at a major chain stores distribution center and was offered a position on the condition I could pass the Spanish Language Comprehension Test. Why the fuck should I have to read write and speak Spanish for a job in the United States? So I could explain the benefits to new employees that do not speak English. It's Southern California and "undocumented" just means they haven't got a paycheck to buy fake docs yet. I didn't get the job. 20 years experience in Logistics covering every aspect of a warehouse from hand unloading loose freight (robots don't do that yet either) all the way up to General Manager of a distribution center, where I was let go because they needed someone "bilingual" as the work force became more and more Hispanic. Those who have not worked in a warehouse more than as a summer job or so do not understand how many jobs cannot be done except by human hands. Loading a UPS belly trailer will probably not be done by robots in my lifetime. Just because a job may be eventually done by a robot is no reason to just give up and have illegals do hard work for minimum (or sub-minimum) wage. If companies were shut down for hiring illegals and the minimum wage laws were repealed, warehouse jobs would probably pay a lot more. Many people would not do the work for anything near the current minimum wage. Same thing with concrete work, masonry, painting, framing, or just about any construction job. Think about it. If there were no laws regarding what you had to pay for labor would anyone do concrete work for $1 an hour? Fuck no, that's hard work. The free market would eventually set the rate for different jobs. Would any place pay $15 an hour to flip burgers? Nope, too easy to hire someone else for $5 an hour. Minimum wage just creates a false floor for the price on labor. Allowing illegals into the workforce upsets the supply side of the supply and demand for labor. Both thing the government has tried to control for their own purposes and have totally screwed native born Americans.

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Originally Posted by farmall

BTW semi-skilled and unskilled jobs are what you do while working toward an actual career doing something else. Construction was always a bucket-of-crabs field vulnerable to housing swings (and inevitable Recessions since housing is driven by economic bubbles) and if you are working in a warehouse for any length of time that's a warning to compete for something with a future.

Warehouse labor is vulnerable to robotic replacement. The future is lights-out manufacturing and lights-out logistics with the pieces now falling into place. Note the humans in the video below are only useful because current robotic vision and package manipulation is not quite up to meat worker levels so the robots are tasked where their mature technologies are most effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBa9yVZBJM

Since this is a gearhead community I suggest learning everything you can about technology, NOT just a stovepiped vulnerable specialty. (For example it will remain difficult to find good industrial maintenance techs because that requires a gearhead outlook and multiple skills and because experience is key noobs can't easily catch you once you begin.)

If your hobbies and career are all about technology you can lead a skilled life, smash your overhead costs for everything from housing on down and be less vulnerable to loss of a particular job.

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Sounds good on paper but your obviously not living in the areas heavily affected by the issues at the forefront of this discussion...

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Originally Posted by Grantman

I would be suspicious of any place that welcomed me...........

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Some Marxist philosophy to lighten up the discussion?

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Originally Posted by krb

Some Marxist philosophy to lighten up the discussion?

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"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

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Originally Posted by Grantman

Even with all the robotic advances, humans are still required for many different jobs. I applied for a supervisor position at a major chain stores distribution center and was offered a position on the condition I could pass the Spanish Language Comprehension Test. Why the fuck should I have to read write and speak Spanish for a job in the United States? So I could explain the benefits to new employees that do not speak English. It's Southern California and "undocumented" just means they haven't got a paycheck to buy fake docs yet. I didn't get the job. 20 years experience in Logistics covering every aspect of a warehouse from hand unloading loose freight (robots don't do that yet either) all the way up to General Manager of a distribution center, where I was let go because they needed someone "bilingual" as the work force became more and more Hispanic. Those who have not worked in a warehouse more than as a summer job or so do not understand how many jobs cannot be done except by human hands. Loading a UPS belly trailer will probably not be done by robots in my lifetime. Just because a job may be eventually done by a robot is no reason to just give up and have illegals do hard work for minimum (or sub-minimum) wage. If companies were shut down for hiring illegals and the minimum wage laws were repealed, warehouse jobs would probably pay a lot more. Many people would not do the work for anything near the current minimum wage. Same thing with concrete work, masonry, painting, framing, or just about any construction job. Think about it. If there were no laws regarding what you had to pay for labor would anyone do concrete work for $1 an hour? Fuck no, that's hard work. The free market would eventually set the rate for different jobs. Would any place pay $15 an hour to flip burgers? Nope, too easy to hire someone else for $5 an hour. Minimum wage just creates a false floor for the price on labor. Allowing illegals into the workforce upsets the supply side of the supply and demand for labor. Both thing the government has tried to control for their own purposes and have totally screwed native born Americans.

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I think you're discounting the fact that as soon as it becomes economically feasible, companies will start adjusting their process to favor the robutts. For example, if UPS determines that it's financially in their best interest to stop using belly trailers, and instead replace them with a type of trailer that's conducive to robotics then they'll do it. Moores Law holds true, and automation is getting better, cheaper, and more ubiquitous by the day.

I don't think you or I will ever see the day that robutts entirely replace any labor force, but if you think your life won't be affected by robotics and/or automation, you're gonna have a bad time.

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I think you're discounting the fact that as soon as it becomes economically feasible, companies will start adjusting their process to favor the robutts. For example, if UPS determines that it's financially in their best interest to stop using belly trailers, and instead replace them with a type of trailer that's conducive to robotics then they'll do it. Moores Law holds true, and automation is getting better, cheaper, and more ubiquitous by the day.

I don't think you or I will ever see the day that robutts entirely replace any labor force, but if you think your life won't be affected by robotics and/or automation, you're gonna have a bad time.

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Just SOME of the reasons I left logistics for the oil patch. Money was the biggest factor though.

At one time the US had German and English as major languages. Times change and with it the labor market, which means move (the US is huge), adapt, or combinations thereof. This may suck locally but the trends are not reversible. In countries with non-shit primary education systems many students are bilingual. For example when I was stationed in West Germany the Luftwaffe officers we worked with typically spoke better English than many G.I.s.

The 1950s are not coming back and logistics for example will only get more efficient. Before the ISO shipping container was invented cargo was normally unloaded by many more dock workers than exist today. Intermodal freight replaced them with efficient container handling. Air freight was once break-bulk too.

The oil industry will be particularly difficult to automate economically because so many operations are complex and demanding. Stick welding for example survives not least because MIG machines don't hold up well well on pipeline work and their gun length limits their distance from a power source. Not an option for everyone but there is no option for everyone and there will be no mass fixes because the need for mass labor is shrinking.

Eventually efficient production will require resource redistribution but we don't know what that social model will look like yet and with political discussion in the US purely an ideology war it will happen slowly, badly and without much overall planning.

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I don't think you or I will ever see the day that robutts entirely replace any labor force, but if you think your life won't be affected by robotics and/or automation, you're gonna have a bad time.

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Transformers...More than Meets the Eye!
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Is it just me or have other people noticed that news anchors/reporters act suspiciously robotic???
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I take issue with the idea that illegals only pick crops or "take jobs Americans" don't want. Wages in logistics (warehouses in particular) are not only stagnant, but have declined greatly when adjusted for inflation over the last couple of decades. Same thing in construction. A lot of dudes on this forum work in both those industries and have been directly affected by illegal immigrants. Every tax payer has been robbed to pay benefits to those that do not qualify, but states in their PC idiocy refuse to question the legal status of those applying for benefits. I'm not against immigration, it needs to be legal. My family emigrated here a very long time ago (mid 1700's) my wife's family came in 1957. We don't need minimum wage unskilled labor, we have welfare roles filled with them. We need highly skilled immigrants that will contribute to more than the population and the welfare office's workload.

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The problem is NOT with illegal aliens taking jobs. It's red blooded greedy Murican' fucks who hire them. If illegals couldn't get jobs here they wouldn't come her so we need to stop blaming the poor bastards who are just trying to survive and start slamming the greedy fucks who are getting rich off them.

Corporate raiders and Shills all of them; except one that's been in Congress forever fighting against this fucking nonsense the whole fucking time... compare political records; this shit isn't a circus or an arena... like they are using Trump to make it into... it is a fucking fight and a very fucking serious one, not a game.

I am personally appalled; that anyone in this country, is even giving people like Trmp a second look... much less any concideration... pomp & pander; and in my mind? There's only one dde that's even running for the post ;that will take the job seriously and work for all of us... though he'll probably be filibustered and blocked by both parties; at every fucking turn, to prevent real democracy and mch needed reform from actually happening...



Anyone wanna know why 3rd parties do not have a snowballs chance in hell? Becase it is a fucking POLL not a VOTE... if anyone doesn't trust me on that?.. I'll be more than happy to TLDNR some shit on the topic.

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Is it just me or have other people noticed that news anchors/reporters act suspiciously robotic???
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LOL!!! Holy shit that's funny.

The US does deserve The Donald because its voters are fools. His amusing effect on the rest of the clowns is great fun.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...n-car-20150812

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Originally Posted by JetBlackII

Corporate raiders and Shills all of them; except one that's been in Congress forever fighting against this fucking nonsense the whole fucking time... compare political records; this shit isn't a circus or an arena... like they are using Trump to make it into... it is a fucking fight and a very fucking serious one, not a game.

I am personally appalled; that anyone in this country, is even giving people like Trmp a second look... much less any concideration... pomp & pander; and in my mind? There's only one dde that's even running for the post ;that will take the job seriously and work for all of us... though he'll probably be filibustered and blocked by both parties; at every fucking turn, to prevent real democracy and mch needed reform from actually happening...



Anyone wanna know why 3rd parties do not have a snowballs chance in hell? Becase it is a fucking POLL not a VOTE... if anyone doesn't trust me on that?.. I'll be more than happy to TLDNR some shit on the topic.

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And that man is?

Bernie Sanders is the only ethical player but because if you have no Party you have no power he is irrelevant and would remain so if elected.

You have ONLY the choice between Democrat and Republican Parties on a national level and that means it doesn't matter what a candidate from either says because they cannot act on their own.

A vote for Trump is just a vote for the GOP. The President cannot give orders to the House and Senate.

What I find hilarious is that people believe what candidates say. That's as naive as believing a used car salesman.

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Originally Posted by farmall

The US does deserve The Donald because its voters are fools. His amusing effect on the rest of the clowns is great fun.

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Well my friend; this is the crux of the problem, and why I've chided you about bias before... a man can be an island unto himself; but in society and especially one that is to function properly? It takes a village.

Making one unto an island or hiding in the personally constructed bubble; is simply a safe spot on a hill to view the battle point and condemn with daming fingers while feeling superior and above those on the ground gnashing their teeth and testing their metal.

Real kings and leaders of men; did not sit at such paleful heights upon a well groomed steed, giddy at the "pawns" that live, fight and die for them below. They led the charge with a fierce proud banner to clash against those that wished to destroy such peace and prosperity that all constantly worked for, in their kingdom out of greed and desire to have what they had... instead of hold court and learn how to acheive it with peace and understanding.

Those kings and leaders of men; were not concerned about their personal loss of life, they knew that even if they were to fall... those left victorious would return and embrace those that fell as their very own families and be taken care of. No matter the station in life? This is the heart of true society, from king to vagrant pauper lingering outside the gate wishing entry... both and all in between; prided themselves of their station, in the service of one family (each other).

Those sitting on horses; in arrogant bias; or born to a station of such... no matter what it is they have obtained; has been by selfish means as the fruits and labors of others wash up bloody and bruised onto their shores... but with a station of selfish greed in their hearts... all they do is spread bias and corruption to maintain their unworthy station above other men.

Tell me; which pie tastes better? The one purchased from the faceless and nameless... to be enjoyed hidden in a hedge like Johnny Cash with his infamous cake? Or the one, where you know who and were the apples were picked, the fields that grew and the people that threshed the grain for the dough, knowing the traveling trader that brings in the salt and sugar and news from afar? The baker that procured and fired those ingredients in their ovens... either shop, or loved one at home?

One pie is enjoyed to the fullest knowing it took a village from the one that tended the tree for it to bear fruit; all the way to the one harnessing fire in the oven in which it baked? or the one on the outside ignorant and uncaring of all of this community, snatching them from windowsills?

There is a choice of either mode in a free society; the shameful part has been being led into ruin by people pointing from hilltop horses where to live fight and die and the station is always under hoof... instead of leading the charge. This is why the imagery of Bush junior in a flight suit doing cos-play was so powerful an image and why so many embraced him...

False idol of truth none the less; but an image powerful enough; to touch on a long forgotten ideal... that he and those like him are leading to a better future instead of the reality of that they are really trying to create and perpetuate; from positions of privy and bias... instead of the very equality that knows and respects that it takes a village.

If someone is not a voice of the village; for whom is it they speak? Tis certainly not you or I... laying down our arms or guffing a huff of discontent; is simply yet another bubble of separation growing fruit of bias ignorant of the chain that feeds them... just the same as those in our contempt. So how are we... when holding bias any different in the reflection of their deeds; if the castle walls are not our bodies? The rivers, streams, and moats not our blood, the trees, grass, and crops not the hair on our bodies? and the people that make all of this happen together... not our very heart, and the proper care and maintenance thereof not our very mind?

Want to be an island unto oneself in a village? Pirates have a special place to walk in order to get there rather easily... it's called the fucking plank, and well it's up to that island of man to either; start floating and be an island unto himself... or learn to fucking swim and hope communing with the fishes means: them listening with their scaly ears with pity to his plea; that one so ill equipt... has decided to dwell in the water with them... and not instead pluck him with their jagged mouths, as he has done to others.

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Well my friend; this is the crux of the problem, and why I've chided you about bias before... a man can be an island unto himself; but in society and especially one that is to function properly? It takes a village.

Making one unto an island or hiding in the personally constructed bubble; is simply a safe spot on a hill to view the battle point and condemn with daming fingers while feeling superior and above those on the ground gnashing their teeth and testing their metal.

Real kings and leaders of men; did not sit at such paleful heights upon a well groomed steed, giddy at the "pawns" that live, fight and die for them below. They led the charge with a fierce proud banner to clash against those that wished to destroy such peace and prosperity that all constantly worked for, in their kingdom out of greed and desire to have what they had... instead of hold court and learn how to acheive it with peace and understanding.

Those kings and leaders of men; were not concerned about their personal loss of life, they knew that even if they were to fall... those left victorious would return and embrace those that fell as their very own families and be taken care of. No matter the station in life? This is the heart of true society, from king to vagrant pauper lingering outside the gate wishing entry... both and all in between; prided themselves of their station, in the service of one family (each other).

Those sitting on horses; in arrogant bias; or born to a station of such... no matter what it is they have obtained; has been by selfish means as the fruits and labors of others wash up bloody and bruised onto their shores... but with a station of selfish greed in their hearts... all they do is spread bias and corruption to maintain their unworthy station above other men.

Tell me; which pie tastes better? The one purchased from the faceless and nameless... to be enjoyed hidden in a hedge like Johnny Cash with his infamous cake? Or the one, where you know who and were the apples were picked, the fields that grew and the people that threshed the grain for the dough, knowing the traveling trader that brings in the salt and sugar and news from afar? The baker that procured and fired those ingredients in their ovens... either shop, or loved one at home?

One pie is enjoyed to the fullest knowing it took a village from the one that tended the tree for it to bear fruit; all the way to the one harnessing fire in the oven in which it baked? or the one on the outside ignorant and uncaring of all of this community, snatching them from windowsills?

There is a choice of either mode in a free society; the shameful part has been being led into ruin by people pointing from hilltop horses where to live fight and die and the station is always under hoof... instead of leading the charge. This is why the imagery of Bush junior in a flight suit doing cos-play was so powerful an image and why so many embraced him...

False idol of truth none the less; but an image powerful enough; to touch on a long forgotten ideal... that he and those like him are leading to a better future instead of the reality of that they are really trying to create and perpetuate; from positions of privy and bias... instead of the very equality that knows and respects that it takes a village.

If someone is not a voice of the village; for whom is it they speak? Tis certainly not you or I... laying down our arms or guffing a huff of discontent; is simply yet another bubble of separation growing fruit of bias ignorant of the chain that feeds them... just the same as those in our contempt. So how are we... when holding bias any different in the reflection of their deeds; if the castle walls are not our bodies? The rivers, streams, and moats not our blood, the trees, grass, and crops not the hair on our bodies? and the people that make all of this happen together... not our very heart, and the proper care and maintenance thereof not our very mind?

Want to be an island unto oneself in a village? Pirates have a special place to walk in order to get there rather easily... it's called the fucking plank, and well it's up to that island of man to either; start floating and be an island unto himself... or learn to fucking swim and hope communing with the fishes means: them listening with their scaly ears with pity to his plea; that one so ill equipt... has decided to dwell in the water with them... and not instead pluck him with their jagged mouths, as he has done to others.

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so do you use medical pot or homegrown ? that shit's too deep for mexican ;)

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Originally Posted by farmall

Bernie Sanders is the only ethical player but because if you have no Party you have no power he is irrelevant and would remain so if elected.

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He's also Anti-gun/2A. So he's rubbish in my book. I hate when people get to be in their twilight years and think only of creating a gun-free utopia.

Lol there's a lot of wannabe cunts right here ❗️

JetblackIII quote: " If someone is not a voice of the village; for whom is it they speak? "
They speak for the sheeple....and if a lie is repeated enough times it becomes the truth. Sheeple have neither the means; ability; balls to go after an elite who controls the media and talks BS. The Bush Jr. in the flight suit example you gave is a rather good one. Sheeple also believe what they want to believe. Advertising to adults is designed along grade 4 education level for good reason. Sheeple , on issues that they don't see affecting them, make selections based on emotion. Like in Grade 4 it's all a popularity contest.