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Hooligans
01-21-2011, 8:09 PM
Ok so this has been eating away at me for a while... now it may just be me, or it may not.

My frame has a TC Bros hardtail welded on... I'm running a 18" rear with a 450/18 Firestone. Now in my opinion... the bike has too much clearance under the rails. If you look at this pic there is a 4x4 and a 2" block under there. I would like to bring it down at least 2"... looking for 4" of ground clearance.

I thought about running a 16" rear... to be honest I dont want to buy a new fender plus I have some dough in these damn wheels. I have thought about chopping off the hardtail and buying a new one with more drop.

This is where you guys come in... Im looking for pics of 18" rears and how much stretch and drop is in the hardtail. Opinions too are welcome.... maybe the stance is fine and its just me

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Free89BroncoII/IMG_0808.jpg

jamesgs4
01-21-2011, 8:42 PM
got a side shot? It looks pretty good as it is.

Hooligans
01-21-2011, 8:46 PM
Unfortunately I don't.... I just noticed every shot I take is from an angle

Hooligans
01-21-2011, 11:29 PM
Here's another question.... if the TC Bros hardtail gives you 3" of stretch, and 5" of ground clearance.... what would that be considered for amount of drop?

JBGore
01-22-2011, 7:15 AM
5" of clearance would be approximately 1" drop. Of course it depends a bit on which rear tire you run. For example, a 16" rear is typically less than 1/2" smaller in diameter than an 18" rear. For what it's worth, after looking through your build thread, I think your bike looks fantastic.

Punkskalar
01-22-2011, 9:56 AM
I'm not a very big fan of the TCBros stance myself, Always thought it was too tall.

My bike has 3.5" of ground clearance and I still ride the crap out of it on the Mtn Roads. Proper pipes help, since they are under the center of the bike, not hanging off the side and dragging...

Forks are also lowered 3.25", so this thing is down in the weeds...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w264/punkskalar/BMR%202009/FH000010-1.jpg

You could always cut the top rails of the tail loose, shorten them a bit and heat bend the lower rails until the top met back up. It would be some work, but not the end of the world...

Hooligans
01-22-2011, 12:28 PM
I agree with you Hugh... I like the stance of your bike. I was tempted to just leave it but I know at some point I would be tearing it back down. I think I am just going to cut the TC Bros off and go with another tail section. Now I just need to decide which one.

SMChewy
01-22-2011, 12:41 PM
I agree with you Hugh... I like the stance of your bike. I was tempted to just leave it but I know at some point I would be tearing it back down. I think I am just going to cut the TC Bros off and go with another tail section. Now I just need to decide which one.

Call David Bird. He is such a great guy, and full of knowledge. Doesn't know me from shit, and when I called him we wound up shootin the shit for almost an hour. He will take the time and listen to what you want, and if his manufactured tail isn't low enough for you, I'm sure he can make you one that is. Plus his loop tails are super sexy!

Hooligans
01-22-2011, 1:04 PM
Call David Bird. He is such a great guy, and full of knowledge. Doesn't know me from shit, and when I called him we wound up shootin the shit for almost an hour. He will take the time and listen to what you want, and if his manufactured tail isn't low enough for you, I'm sure he can make you one that is. Plus his loop tails are super sexy!

I appreciate the info.... that is the tail I am leaning towards. I would have to modify the lower rails due to where my frame is cut but not too worried about that

Rich
01-22-2011, 1:26 PM
What is the hight of the springer. TCB hard Tails are a little taller but if you are using pipes that go under its cool. David Birds are lower i just did one and i liked the stance but they were high pipes. You have a 21" on front and that doesn't look like a 2 under springer and a 18 in back
Here is a bike i did a while back with a G&L ass and 18 on back and 19 on fromt and it draged in turns. You may end up with the same hight if springer is stock lenth or over not under.
I would cut off both lower tubes on ass end heat top bent it even and weld back but now front is going to be higher. JUST put a 16 on it and see first.

Hooligans
01-22-2011, 1:34 PM
21" in the front, 18" in the rear... high pipes so clearance there isnt a problem. Springer is cut down to stock height as it sits.... rockers can be flipped for an additional 2" of drop

calicruiser
01-22-2011, 3:47 PM
What is the hight of the springer. TCB hard Tails are a little taller but if you are using pipes that go under its cool. David Birds are lower i just did one and i liked the stance but they were high pipes. You have a 21" on front and that doesn't look like a 2 under springer and a 18 in back
Here is a bike i did a while back with a G&L ass and 18 on back and 19 on fromt and it draged in turns. You may end up with the same hight if springer is stock lenth or over not under.
I would cut off both lower tubes on ass end heat top bent it even and weld back but now front is going to be higher. JUST put a 16 on it and see first.


This tail is NOT a G&L tail.

Josh
Formerly of G&L Choppers!

Hooligans
01-22-2011, 4:07 PM
ok, so does anyone have a pic of a 4" drop hardtail with a 18" wheel?

Rich
01-22-2011, 4:19 PM
The tail on my bike i built for customer your saying is not G&L
Thats were the guy bought it from and the BATTERY BOX with the spade add ons
That bike was build like 5 years ago and i think you guys were the only ones offering that OIL TANK BATTERY BOX and hard tail for XS 650 at the time. Was there someone else offering that battery box combo?????

rusjack
01-22-2011, 4:37 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DFItX9noMJk/S6urTh0H4MI/AAAAAAAAAdc/MbpAGDEOLUw/s1600/789.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DFItX9noMJk/S6urhqzIpLI/AAAAAAAAAdk/vLRkpDDKtdQ/s1600/790.JPG

I love this one. I had an XS I was working on and the first thing I did was get the TC Bros hardtail. I never really liked the shape of it, though.
The ones above are from Garage Co. Customs
http://www.garagecompanycustoms.com/chopper/garage-co-diy-weld-on-hardtail-for-xs650s/#


The david bird loops are wicked, too.
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/captureandrelease/New%20xs%20build/xs4.jpg

sure
01-22-2011, 8:15 PM
The tail on my bike i built for customer your saying is not G&L
Thats were the guy bought it from and the BATTERY BOX with the spade add ons
That bike was build like 5 years ago and i think you guys were the only ones offering that OIL TANK BATTERY BOX and hard tail for XS 650 at the time. Was there someone else offering that battery box combo?????

That hardtail looks like it came from the now defunct Black Widow Choppers. We've replaced many of the at the shop..

Now to get back on topic,How much drop are you looking for? There are a few other variables to check out such as tire height..

bigdaddy
01-22-2011, 8:27 PM
ardcore choppers in indianapolis makes some.

www.ardcorechoppers.com

garagegnome
01-29-2011, 5:05 PM
ok, so does anyone have a pic of a 4" drop hardtail with a 18" wheel?

Here is my bike with TC Bros tail , 4 under springer , with 18 and 21 wheels. It sets at about 4 1/2"

calicruiser
01-29-2011, 5:18 PM
The tail on my bike i built for customer your saying is not G&L
Thats were the guy bought it from and the BATTERY BOX with the spade add ons
That bike was build like 5 years ago and i think you guys were the only ones offering that OIL TANK BATTERY BOX and hard tail for XS 650 at the time. Was there someone else offering that battery box combo?????

no it is not a G&L tail or electric box, Rich did not offer anything that looked like that tail or box.

I dont like the TC bros tail either. Just dont like the stance and the seat rails dropping off real quick. personal opinion.

Hooligans
01-29-2011, 5:32 PM
Here is my bike with TC Bros tail , 4 under springer , with 18 and 21 wheels. It sets at about 4 1/2"

Nice lookin bike... any more pics?

ROLLO
01-29-2011, 5:37 PM
My Ardcore weld on tail .11270

garagegnome
01-29-2011, 5:48 PM
Nice lookin bike... any more pics?

Thanks, tryin to get it finished here befor summer.

convergecult
01-29-2011, 6:00 PM
Hmmmmmm, I'm running a david bird 4 inch stretch 4 inch drop on mine with 2'' under springer and 16 x 5.1 rear tire and it give 2.5 inches ground clearance. Pretty low. Pretty low as in some issues if I'm not careful but I love the look. <a href="http://s465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/captureandrelease/New%20xs%20build/?action=view&amp;current=xs40.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr20/captureandrelease/New%20xs%20build/xs40.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Hooligans, your bike looks amazing the way it is. It's more usable at the height you've got it at in my opinion. Your build is one of my personal favorites.

Hooligans
01-29-2011, 6:05 PM
Convergecult... I appreciate it. I think after alot of digging around that I am going to leave mine the way it is. I have another 650 roller that I am going to build in the future and I will go a different route on that one.

Garagegnome - I definitely like your build. Can't wait to see the outcome. I'm diggin the kick pedal... I'm using BMX pegs for my mids and have been looking at a similar kicker

ROLLO - Another nice build... these things are popping out of the wood work

YOURADHERE
01-29-2011, 8:30 PM
What is the hight of the springer. TCB hard Tails are a little taller but if you are using pipes that go under its cool. David Birds are lower i just did one and i liked the stance but they were high pipes. You have a 21" on front and that doesn't look like a 2 under springer and a 18 in back
Here is a bike i did a while back with a G&L ass and 18 on back and 19 on fromt and it draged in turns. You may end up with the same hight if springer is stock lenth or over not under.
I would cut off both lower tubes on ass end heat top bent it even and weld back but now front is going to be higher. JUST put a 16 on it and see first.


That tail looks similar to the one on the project I bought. When I bought it the guy told me it was a G&L hardtail but it never looked like any G&L I had seen so I dismissed it as something else.


Excuse the rattle can job....it's since been powdercoated.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/YOUR-AD-HERE/XS650/DSC00984.jpg


Here's the stance with a 16" rear. This was before I torn it down...it looked wack as hell like this.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/YOUR-AD-HERE/XS650/100_0500.jpg

calicruiser
01-29-2011, 8:52 PM
green bike is my bike, I built it while working at G&L and this is the standard tail. Notice the axle plates. They have always been built like this, not pointed. Other bike is another G&L build.

I THINK people might have said that those were G&L tails because Black Widow had/has a BAD reputation and I don't think anyone would willingly buy one of their frames!!

sorry to stray from the topic but I wanted to clear that up! My bike has 3.5-4" of ground clearance. 21" up front 16" rear.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/the_dude76/IMG_1105.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/the_dude76/jscottC.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/the_dude76/FL1.jpg

Hooligans
01-29-2011, 9:16 PM
no biggie.... I agree with Cali. The pointed tail was made by Black Widow... I have seen them a bit and people always seem to say its a different tail.

YOURADHERE
01-29-2011, 9:43 PM
It's no biggie. I suppose it's good to finally know who made the hardtail, sucks to find out the company was shit.

Hooligans
01-30-2011, 12:28 AM
regardless of how the company was run... as long as the tail was done correct, solid, and welded good then who it came from really doesn't matter

ROLLO
01-30-2011, 1:46 AM
G&L , Ardcore . David Bird all have beautiful welds nice heavy dropouts top quality . I would use any of the three . Just my choice though . All three will work with you on what you want .

Rich
01-30-2011, 6:31 AM
You may be right just wish i had all my old pictures from 5 years ago. Dumb computer ate them. Yeah i do remember that hard tail that they built. Didn't they make the same type battery box fake oil tank too. When did G&L go into business. All i know is that point on the end cut you up mad everytime you worked with that frame. Cool for the time and thats what the guy wanted. That bike is over in PUERTO RICO running around on those tough streets.
Thanks for the info

calicruiser
01-30-2011, 9:20 AM
You may be right just wish i had all my old pictures from 5 years ago. Dumb computer ate them. Yeah i do remember that hard tail that they built. Didn't they make the same type battery box fake oil tank too. When did G&L go into business. All i know is that point on the end cut you up mad everytime you worked with that frame. Cool for the time and thats what the guy wanted. That bike is over in PUERTO RICO running around on those tough streets.
Thanks for the info

Rich @ G&L has been building bikes since 1998 I think. Only part time for the first years but I have seen every bike he has built and none have pointed axle plates like that. And yes, he makes a combined electric/batt. box.

Josh

tuttyc
05-04-2012, 11:37 AM
this is a zero stretch zero drop Dave at tanks by Tigman did for me a while back, felt great around the city Dave did a nice job and his prices are real reasonable,

swinewerx
05-05-2012, 12:57 AM
On all of my hardtails that i have made, I make them to where they sit upon a 4by4 block of wood, I actually have one that sits better on a 3by3 block of wood, that would be my orange framed short chop, my longest chop does the 4by4 wood, and the rest are up there too high, although, my wife's chopper, if not using it's side stand, the foot pegs are like the last stop, before it would tip over, which it will only do so, if i keep pushing it over after it is resting upon the foot peg, either side, when it comes to my chops and her chop, the foot pegs which are the forwards also, do not fold up like stock foot pegs do, because they are not stock, as a matter of fact, they are fabricated up my me, using tubing, one inch tubing is the base of my forwards, then some thin plate as well as rod is all within my forwards which i make to what I want, then cvovered by my tooled leather creations to make the pegs more attractive to the eye, you see, my forwards are semi industrial, the leather coverings, make it more appealing to the eye, thus making it a more artsy finish! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/024-10.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/013-9.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/002-16.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/282-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/014-8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/033-7.jpg as you can see with the red chopper, it sits rather high, I did not build this frame, for if I had, it would be very low to the ground, it is very different to ride each one, some you can not worry about speed bumps, as i9n, getting stuck on a speed bump, and having to ask people near by to help you get off the speed bump I am stuck on! I am very disabled, and can only push and pull so much, I still cannot kick start any of my choppers, or bikes due to my right leg being very brittle, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/swinewerx/028-11.jpg my red bug tends to just drag over the speed bumps, I am glad for that, otherwise i would have to go way around parking lots to get through without getting stuck!