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SMRcalidiv
09-21-2017, 12:54 PM
Hey everyone, this is my first post to this site, but I couldn't help but see that this seems to be the place for people discussing the use of 2k clear over Duplicolor. My question is, what is the standard timing of this process? Do I need to wait a week for the Duplicolor to cure? Will it need to be sanded before spraying the clear...or will the solvent in the 2k allow for chemical adhesion to still occur?

Natehate
09-21-2017, 5:57 PM
spray over the duplicolor as fast as 30 minutes if you want
as to wet sanding thats all up to you and how smoooooooooooth you want it
do you want it smooth or do you want it smoooooooooth
can you dig it?

bobscogin
09-21-2017, 6:56 PM
Lacquer cures by evaporation of solvent. Overcoating it with anything before it dries completely could result in "solvent pops"--- small bubbles that form in the top coat as the solvents try to escape from the lacquer underneath. Just something to be aware of.

Bob

SMRcalidiv
09-22-2017, 9:26 AM
spray over the duplicolor as fast as 30 minutes if you want
as to wet sanding thats all up to you and how smoooooooooooth you want it
do you want it smooth or do you want it smoooooooooth
can you dig it?

I dig...I dig.

I'm going for glass

Tattooo
09-23-2017, 7:16 AM
I dig...I dig.

I'm going for glass

You'll never get it with a spray can..... But I think it's great your trying....

ac72rat
09-24-2017, 12:26 PM
you can achieve GLASS if you put enough clear on and have good hands and common sense, and can get youtube at least 100 videos available

Tattooo
09-24-2017, 5:48 PM
you can achieve GLASS if you put enough clear on and have good hands and common sense,


And if the moon is full over your left shoulder, and a toad in your right front pocket.........

ac72rat
09-24-2017, 5:57 PM
And if the moon is full over your left shoulder, and a toad in your right front pocket.........

thats r-can on the sprint body shop swears its ditzler ,guess you dont have the hands

Tattooo
09-24-2017, 6:07 PM
thats r-can on the sprint body shop swears its ditzler ,guess you dont have the hands

LOL Ditlzer is great paint...... It's the rattle can that's the problem......... I've painted for 40 years plus, Painted many award winning show cars. With a rattle can you can't get enough product to buff it to look like glass...... Just being honest..........

Tattooo
09-24-2017, 6:14 PM
This is slick as glass......... Now who has the hands???????????

Those are trees and me reflecting in the paint.............

SMRcalidiv
09-25-2017, 1:16 PM
It's all good...I know what I can get out of a can. I did a deck lid on my old Mustang with Spraymax and cut/buffed it to a super smooth finish. Not really looking to debate what can be achieved or anything...I have just never done Duplicolor under a 2k and wanted to button down the timing.

Tattooo
09-25-2017, 1:21 PM
It's all good...I know what I can get out of a can. I did a deck lid on my old Mustang with Spraymax and cut/buffed it to a super smooth finish. Not really looking to debate what can be achieved or anything...I have just never done Duplicolor under a 2k and wanted to button down the timing.

I would just make sure it is dry before you cover it up with 2K so it won't lift..... Good luck

ac72rat
09-26-2017, 12:04 PM
watthefuckever Tattoo soo 30 coates of lacquer is better than spray can DUHHHHHH! howevea you can get AMAZING results from a can do a search on here ,,, are you fuking kidding me??????????

Tattooo
09-26-2017, 2:13 PM
watthefuckever Tattoo soo 30 coates of lacquer is better than spray can DUHHHHHH! howevea you can get AMAZING results from a can do a search on here ,,, are you fuking kidding me??????????

Nope not kidding at all, Like I said above I was just being honest...... You were making it sound like there was no difference..... Now you are saying there is a difference make up your mind..... Looks like glass with a rattle can????? I guess it can be done but it would be tough..... Just my opinion..........

Also you said...

guess you dont have the hands

I posted a pic to show you I do have the hands....... And I know what I'm talking about not just hear say.........

ac72rat
10-15-2017, 1:48 PM
well you win CONGRATULATIONS DIP SHIT

Tattooo
10-15-2017, 5:16 PM
well you win CONGRATULATIONS DIP SHIT

LOL I might be a dip shit but your a loser........... LOL

LOL It's all good I just wanted to show pics........

Have a good one...

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
10-17-2017, 12:51 PM
Never actually thought I would agree with Trampstamp Tattooo but even a stopped clock is right 2x a day. (He annoys the shit outta me as well. I look at him like a Hemorrhoid, Some say he grows on you but most folks just want to cut it-him off, You can use substances for temporary relief, but in the end removal is the real deal, or at least other forums came to that conclusion).

The ONLY rattle can paint that is worth a Sh*t is the stuff you can get mixed (Or do yourself) with REAL autobody paint such as PPG, RM, Diamont, Glasurit, or DuPont etc etc.. there are special loadable cans you mix the REAL paint up, add to the rattle can and spray away. Its for touch up,emergencies, or PO' folk who dont have access to a body shop setup. But its a damn site better than store bought rattle cans but its STILL a half ass way of doing the job. Talk to your local jobber to get the situ on these loadable paint can setups.

I have used REAL clear (Not rattle can) over a rattle can base for a few people but I wont warranty it and I get paid up front to roll the dice on it. Paint is only as good as the elements and using crap materials yields crap results.

I dont know anyone using lacquer anymore. Its illegal to sell these days in most places and went away in my area back in late 1990s. Base coat clear coat using catalyzed enamels or Polyurethanes is where its at these days.

To answer the question is basic paint tech 101 though regardless of garbage rattle cans or real paint. ANY paint can solvent pop or peel, blister or crackle if you dont follow a formula. When clear coating over another base color you have 2 options, Clear within a specific window based on temp, hardeners and solvents used. With a Ambient or shop temp of 70 deg F that is often 15-20 min flash time. Follow with some initially light piss coats, let them rock up with a good flash between. Follow with a medium coat if no issues. Allow it to all cure fully. Then block sand with 400-600 wash, then clear again with multiple coats and again allow to cure. Cut & Buff as normal.

**IF** The magic window is passed then you have 2 choices. Allow it to fully cure (Days) and then carefully wetsand with 400-600 but nothing finer than that. (Clear wont stick to stuff too smooth). Then wipe it down with a compatible solvent and watch it flash off, then follow with clear.

OR... roll the dice with either reducer or adhesion promoter. (Often marketed as "Jam It") and then follow with clear and SLOW cure the puppy. What you do is any paint thats fully cured more paint will NOT stick unless you open the surface (IE: Sanding) or wake it up with reducer. Wiping it in is dangerous and scary. Likely it will just melt the finish (Fukked) but you can do piss
coats and watch it flash off and then clear coat. But thats a very dangerous way to roll.

Get educated on REAL paint systems, Spies Hecker, Glasurit, RM and BASF ALL have excellent product data and application guides and outline exactly how to use the products, how to do repairs, blends, spot touch ups, how to cure, what ratios and guidelines for HOW to use their products successfully. (Germans got their sht together) Dupont and PPG also have their product guides or even systems manuals.

I been painting since the '70s,,,

Rattle can?? Show me any rattle can that doesnt fade away to embarrassment out in prolonged sunlight, or can tolerate Gas, oil, brake fluids without turning into a gooey mess. Sure real paint doesnt like those things either but 100x more durable.
I had an old shop customer who spent weeks and weeks doing an elaborate 70s style custom job on his tins with rattle cans and first time he stopped for fuel when the bike was done it all went horribly wrong.
I had another customer whos bike sat in my front of my shop waiting for wrench time, Sometimes out in front and sometimes just in the window over a 2 week period. I was embarrassed and he was seriously angry about how bad the tank and front fender had faded just from the sunlight. Not my fault but he and his son had invested a LOT of time painting it with rattle cans.

I totally get some guy in certain circumstances rattle canning his ride just temporarily just so it doesnt look like crap,, but there is NO SUBSTITUTE for real paint. Quality materials are not cheap, but there is ways to make it affordable. And I started doing it because I couldnt afford to pay others. I got good at it and its been putting coin in my pocket for many years. But barter works as well. If you cant do real paint, make friends with those who do.

(House of Kolors is my fav)

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Dougtheinternetannoyance123
10-17-2017, 1:09 PM
I've read it all, it's black and white
The spectrum made a shade I like.
The crimson rays are ruby bright
Technicolor light.
Red! I want red, there's no substitute for red.
Red! Paint it red, green ain't mean compared to red.
You don't know what it does to me,
My crimson intensity
I'm haunted by the mystery,
The mystery of red.
Red knocks 'em dead,
Some like it hot, I like it red.
Red is my lover, got it covered
Red is my number, sure as a coma
Red is my drummer, and I hear red thunder
Move over brother,
Red's a motherfucker)
(Red! Red!)
that's' what I said...
(Red! Red!)
Come on to bed
(Red! Red!)
Gimme' that expensive spread..

I got photo albums filled with airplanes (Both military and civilian but was never allowed to paint a flame job on an acft, a dream I have yet to realize) Cars, trucks and more motorcycles than I can count that I have squirted my pearly jizz all over. But when it comes to a bike I am gonna flip, I got my go to color,, I call it Resale red, knocks em dead every time. House of Kolor is the shit and I took classes with the grand master Jon Kosmoski,. Cool guy who has forgotten more than I ever will know.

Here's a pix after a grueling couple days on a time crunch, It was beer thirty after delivering that job. I rarely paint cars anymore, Bikes are more manageable. (Thats one of my custom painted Datsun 510s in the background)

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Tattooo
10-17-2017, 4:25 PM
Never actually thought I would agree with Trampstamp Tattooo but even a stopped clock is right 2x a day. (He annoys the shit outta me as well. I look at him like a Hemorrhoid, Some say he grows on you but most folks just want to cut it-him off, You can use substances for temporary relief, but in the end removal is the real deal, or at least other forums came to that conclusion).


See I knew you would agree with me sooner or later... We are more alike than you would agree....

Now finally a post of yours I think is a good one and it doesn't just ramble on about other things that has nothing to do with the thread....... Nice one..

By the way to set the record straight yet again...... I was banned 30 min after they banned Jesse/Dragstews on JJ.... Now that's from 1 forum that's singular not plural...I've never been banned anywhere else..... I consider that a badge of courage....

I understand you have been banned from several forums but I could care less...That's you not me..... Your the one that keeps bringing it up about me like it matters....I was banned for taking up for a friend... Have you ever stood up for anyone that you thought was being done wrong???? I wonder.........

Glad we agreed on something....