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PRWIS13
08-07-2017, 10:58 AM
Anyone know whats going one over at the Horse? Have not seen my sub in the mail for about 4-5 months. I went to their web page and there is another cat that started a post on their site that he also no mag sense Feb. Anyone in Detroit do a ride by and see if the place is still there?

RickG61
08-07-2017, 1:16 PM
I got the same issue. I went to their site a few weeks ago, and there was a message there saying they were sorry but they're back on track and the next issue should be hitting the printer soon.

Meanwhile, I notice they are posting updates on facebook from Sturgis, Smoke Out, etc. Hopefully they get their shit together and we don't have a pissin match over when my subscription ends. They should extend all subs ending dates out as many months as they missed printing a mag.

jimboh
08-07-2017, 1:23 PM
April issue was my last one. I am patiently waiting for them to get their shit together.

PRWIS13
08-07-2017, 3:07 PM
Thanks guys, good to know they are not dead. And I agree they better extend my sub. They do not even send out one a month now. You would think as long as they have been doing it they would have a handle on on. I guess I will wait like everyone else.

hound
08-07-2017, 4:42 PM
im still waiting on my free shirt I was suppose to get with the new subscribtion.

47str8leg
08-07-2017, 5:08 PM
Though I haven't upped my sub there in years and think , in general, it hasn't been the same since Ralph gave it over to Englishman. In all fairness I believe they felt they were being financially blackmailed by their printer. Instead of caving in to the extortion they stopped the presses and searched around for another printer rather than passing the cost on to the readership. I believe it's straitened out but it caused an inevitable delay. I'm sure they wil try to make it up to their subscribers. While I'm not big on the content of the magazine, their ethics seem to be in the right place.

RickG61
08-08-2017, 11:32 AM
im still waiting on my free shirt I was suppose to get with the new subscribtion.

Mine only took six months and two e-mails to get. Then it wasn't even a Horse T Shirt. LOL

ChopperDani
08-08-2017, 2:07 PM
The Horse was the only Custom Bike mag in Mid Missouri- I found some Wrench Mags for awhile and those were gnarley.

im seriously contemplating on spending the cash on a subscription to Showclass. I like what ive seen so far from them. No BS

Natehate
08-09-2017, 1:40 AM
the horse is brutal
dice, show class, the wrench if you can find it, greasy kulture and my current favorite the stag mag all are better ways to spend your money

farmall
08-09-2017, 7:30 AM
People still pay for paper?

RickG61
08-09-2017, 7:44 AM
People still pay for paper?
Ran out of corncobs. Gotta wipe with something.

vonhelmet
08-09-2017, 7:52 AM
I love magazines. Got into bikes through Easyrider and Iron Horse in the early '80s. I read all the time, buy used books on Amazon/ebay/thrift stores for cheap. Paper rules, I don't want to have to recharge a battery just to read. Plus when North Korea zapps us with an EMP I'll still be reading when everybody else is staring at their dead phones.

PRWIS13
08-09-2017, 8:14 PM
I love magazines. Plus when North Korea zapps us with an EMP I'll still be reading when everybody else is staring at their dead phones.

Dam, I hate EMP's! But I will be on the same porch with ya brother. I have a big box of old Horse and Cycle Source in the basement next to my MRE's, ammo, and canned water.

tomahawk1976
08-12-2017, 7:02 AM
It sucks, one of my bros has been locked up since 01, only thing he gets, has and loves is the Horse sub i send him every year. Says he has only seen 1 issue all summer. I never had a problem with the Horse guys.....they seem like decent fellas, just a shitty situation

montuckymatt
08-13-2017, 11:57 AM
There are so many other superior options. As far as the staff goes, its terrible business practice to not let your clients know what is going on when a product is not supplied on time. Granted they did eventually, but why such a long delay? I would rather give my money to others than the horse staff anyway.......

OleDirtyDoc
08-13-2017, 4:51 PM
Ran out of corncobs. Gotta wipe with something.

just don't wipe with show class.you'll get a rash ;)

Jeremy24
08-14-2017, 4:39 AM
same issue, ordered a subscription for xmass 2016 and haven't received a single copy. Called, emailed, left voicemails.... no response. So I said fuck em and got a sub to basket case magazine

TravelingBone
08-14-2017, 7:01 PM
I love magazines. Got into bikes through Easyrider and Iron Horse in the early '80s. ...

I'm glad to see this thread and all the confusion and complaints; I was beginning to think that I'd pissed off someone at the Horse and they were withholding my issues until I apologized. It would've been nice if they'd posted something to let their subscribers know what was going on. I wouldn't mind waiting if they were shopping around for a new printer.

On a side note, I was weaned on Easyrider, but hadn't seen one in a couple of decades. About a year ago I happen to see one on a newsstand and decided to pick it up..... wish I hadn't, I think it must've been bought out by Disney. I had to keep looking at the cover to make sure it really said "Easyrider". A sad fate for something that (previously) held a lot of good memories.

47str8leg
08-14-2017, 8:33 PM
Easyriders has totally sucked since the mid 80's. Iron horse was great for its whole run until Snow left. I used to think the early 80's takeover was really shitty until , much to my surprise , I re-read them . As bad as they were , they were still better than anything put out now and they were porn guys ( until David Snow showed up and saved it ) ,how sad is that.

RickG61
08-15-2017, 9:07 AM
Yeah, Easyriders succumbed to the, "I want to sell my mag at Walmart" mentality. Suddenly, there's a "G" rated version. LOL I remember the good old days when my 3 year old daughter asked me why the girls were showing their boobies and my wife said I couldn't read that magazine with our daughter anymore. LOL

jjvass
08-15-2017, 6:08 PM
I called the advertising rep about 3 weeks ago. She told me that the next issue was in the works and should be out "soon", whatever that means. Having withdrawals, 3+ months without George, Arsen Englishman.....tough starting to get the sssshhhhhhaaakkksss.

7and7is
08-20-2017, 7:10 PM
Well looks like their back in biz, saw the new issue in wally world, however hasn't hit my door step, fuckers!

RickG61
08-21-2017, 7:15 AM
Well looks like their back in biz, saw the new issue in wally world, however hasn't hit my door step, fuckers!

That always pisses me off too. I pay for a subscription, and get a preview at the news stand since mine always arrives AFTER its been out for sale at Wally for a week.

RickG61
09-06-2017, 12:54 PM
Ooooh, a new twist.

I just got my "final" issue in the mail with a letter telling me that they would no longer be mailing subscriptions out. I need to call the number on the letter to "discuss refund options" on the number of issues left on my sub. They show zero issues left. They're kinda overlooking the fact they cashed a renewal check back in May before my last sub expired, so I should have a whole years worth to discuss. Oh, and that phone number, no one answers it, it goes to a recorded message that says the mailbox is full, please hang up.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-06-2017, 4:13 PM
My understanding was they only made a little $$$ on newstand sales, and they preferred you subscribed (They keep most of the money)
So this is a weird twist,,,, Dont tell me they want to go to a digital subscription???? Thats totally lame.
My local newspaper (Among many) all try that, and it sucks balls. I hate the internet version, it loads up with advertising
popups, cookies and malware.. Just makes me angry.
I like the old school printed format. SIt there with my coffee and read the paper. Same with Biker mags... I want a hard copy and we all know there is a thriving market for old used magazines.
I dotn agree with all their opinions and stuff,, But I rather LIKE the Horse magazine. They tend to feature real world bikes built by regular people,, I have a collection of vintage Sleazy riders, and the original Horse mags,, Those are just cool stuff.
BUt the Horse also does a lot of tech articles and I really appreciate those,, even for bikes I dont have or work on. Gives me good ideas.
I hope they are not circling the drain, I was planning on ordering a Sub as my finances are turning around and you save $$$ over the newstand price as well as dont have to worry about out of stock.
Hope it turns around..............

78647

RickG61
09-07-2017, 6:59 AM
The letter they sent leads me to believe they've done a 180 on the news stand idea. Now, instead of subs, they want the news stand and they want YOU to order a single issue at a time from their website, which they'll then send to you via the mail?? Kinda like a sub, but probably way more expensive with single purchase price and shipping costs you'll likely have to pay.

Their voice mailbox is still full and not accepting new messages, and they are not answering e-mails it seems.

And yeah, I liked the mag because most of their featured bikes weren't some "themed" bullshit, were built using real available parts and ingenuity. The tech articles for the most part were pretty informative and could be applied to other fabrications or builds.

On a possible related note, I've noticed that Hammer sold his Indian, there's a magazine project bike up for sale, Englishman is talking about selling more bikes and now guitars because he's broke or something. (aren't we all). Doesn't sound like the magazine is a cash cow, or even a calf. LOL I may be out my last subscription money it seems.

KevinN
09-07-2017, 1:11 PM
Ignoring customers and being vague about the status of the missing magazines is bad for business. The staff hasn't really given much information on their own board. Sounds like they are stalling.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-07-2017, 4:05 PM
It DOES sound like they are stalling, Havent hung out there much for a very long time but you would THINK people would be posting about this, Might troll on over tonight and have a look-see.

I used to have David-Englishmans personal email and phone and we used to talk many years ago... but dont know where it is or if valid anymore, But is it possible someone is in their area and stop by Horse HQ? My understanding is most of it is run out of Hammers shop where he sells guns. (An armed society is a polite society)

I hope the best for them, I dont worship the ground they walk on, but they worked hard to put out a quality product and most people dont
have a clue about how hard and time consuming running a business like that is. Everyone wants a cool scene but get annoyed when its hard to deliver consistently.

I read most of their issues and they waxed nostalgic at certain points about all the shit they have gone thru and BS to deal with, they openly said in years past how close they came to shutting the doors, I hope this is not terminal.

So, Hoping for the best for them.

7and7is
09-07-2017, 6:14 PM
They have a responsibility to their (Paying) subscribers, plain and simple.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-07-2017, 8:26 PM
They have a responsibility to their (Paying) subscribers, plain and simple.

Yes, yes they do, no argument here.

But sometimes logistics and reality can come crashing down and you have to make some hard decisions and research your options before you announce to the world you are going out of business.
In this marketplace people value honesty and are loyal (Mostly) and my recommendation is get the word out there is some issues going on, but in the end everything will be okay, but please be patient.
THAT would get a lot of mileage with most people.

But I have documentation here for a failed MC company and they had to have meetings and discuss who would get paid, who would see 50 cents on the dollar and who would be told......."Sorry, we cant pay you and have zero money coming in!" as well as discussions with employees that "We cant pay you anymore but would you accept this amount and these parts and we are good?"

I have another friend who sold off his vacation property, cashed in his retirement, sold of his personal toys all to make payroll and pay his vendors. When he finally went out of business for good he said "At least I can walk away and say I dont owe anyone"

Stuff happens, nobody is perfect, the issue is how you handle it. I am still hopeful this is just a bump in the road,
But it would behoove the Horse to communicate with their customer base that there is some issues but they are working on it.

RickG61
09-08-2017, 8:32 AM
Exactly Doug. (I'm not typing that whole name, too lazy, but at least I'm honest about it. LOL Of course, I just typed more than that in my explanation)

I think it was mentioned earlier that they were behind in issues due to some printing cost thingy. I was cool with that and would gladly wait a while to receive my product knowing the truth of what was going on. But now, seems its something more than that, and new answers are few and far between.

Your friend who sold all his shit to make payments sounds a lot like my current boss. Stand up guy. In slow periods of the past, he was the first to take a pay cut. Took out a loan on his own house to make payroll and pay vendors. When times got really tough, he sat us all down and explained the situation. He didn't want to lose anyone, ASKED us all to take a pay cut so EVERYONE could stay employed. We DID. He also insisted we take off one day a week since our pay was being cut. No one did. I think we all worked a little harder and put in more than 40 each week to make things happen. When business picked up, everyone was made good with back pay no one really expected, plus paid bonuses. But, through it all, we were kept posted. That's what help make the difference. Nothing held back, we new just where we stood at any given moment. Treat people right and they'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you. Deceive them, they may be standing toe to toe with you.

That letter said, "Call to discuss options for your refund" Options? Anyway, if you're gonna put that in a letter, be prepared to discuss things, not hide.

I hope they make it too. Not just so I can get my refund, but because I actually like the mag.

KevinN
09-08-2017, 9:18 AM
Wasn't that long ago Hammer himself was bragging on back talk forum that the Horse was the best selling m/c magazine. I'm sure there is a lot of work to put out a publication like the Horse. Some folks have gotten the latest issue and many are still waiting. Perhaps they had a limited printing. Either way it won't be long before subscribers will know, they will survive or tank. Until then its crickets from the Horse staff.

Hoghead
09-09-2017, 1:50 PM
Every month I couldn't wait to get my hands on the Horse. Then about the time Flynch came back it went back to the self righteous sniping it was full of in the 90's . Fuck that. I got fed up with the semi literate rantings , ugly 'alt' bikes and dodgy looking women. Now it's vanished off Uk newsstands in the last year. Don't get me wrong- I don't want it gone, but they struck me as being a bit too full of themselves to care what the customer thought.

CISO1969
09-09-2017, 5:59 PM
I didn't get issue 171yet I've posted on Fb. Sent messages to them off Fb. Left a message when machine was not full. My renewal is still valid and I received no letter about refunds. Wtf?

CISO1969
09-13-2017, 9:55 PM
Basket case is a great mag

CISO1969
09-13-2017, 9:56 PM
Exactly Doug. (I'm not typing that whole name, too lazy, but at least I'm honest about it. LOL Of course, I just typed more than that in my explanation)

I think it was mentioned earlier that they were behind in issues due to some printing cost thingy. I was cool with that and would gladly wait a while to receive my product knowing the truth of what was going on. But now, seems its something more than that, and new answers are few and far between.

Your friend who sold all his shit to make payments sounds a lot like my current boss. Stand up guy. In slow periods of the past, he was the first to take a pay cut. Took out a loan on his own house to make payroll and pay vendors. When times got really tough, he sat us all down and explained the situation. He didn't want to lose anyone, ASKED us all to take a pay cut so EVERYONE could stay employed. We DID. He also insisted we take off one day a week since our pay was being cut. No one did. I think we all worked a little harder and put in more than 40 each week to make things happen. When business picked up, everyone was made good with back pay no one really expected, plus paid bonuses. But, through it all, we were kept posted. That's what help make the difference. Nothing held back, we new just where we stood at any given moment. Treat people right and they'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you. Deceive them, they may be standing toe to toe with you.

That letter said, "Call to discuss options for your refund" Options? Anyway, if you're gonna put that in a letter, be prepared to discuss things, not hide.

I hope they make it too. Not just so I can get my refund, but because I actually like the mag.

I never got that letter, I cant get through to them, so let me get this staright, I paid for a subscription, there is still life left on it, but now i need to buy each mag at newstand? I would like a prorated refund from these guys, the way they are handling this is really sad

RickG61
09-14-2017, 7:20 AM
They finally replied to me, yesterday. Took a couple of e-mails. My last e-mail was pics of my canceled check showing they did receive my money. They've replied that they will issue a refund now. Lets hope that happens.

CISO1969
09-14-2017, 7:19 PM
Finally replied to me too, saying they are sending out mags now to those due them. Sorry for delay, etc

TravelingBone
09-14-2017, 7:35 PM
Finally replied to me too, saying they are sending out mags now to those due them. Sorry for delay, etc

I hope that means that they will still be honoring subscriptions, it looks like I sent in my renewal at the exact moment that the proverbial shit was hitting the proverbial fan.

DustyDave
09-14-2017, 7:42 PM
Got this reply this afternoon.
"Issue #171 May/June/July is being sent out now. We took over sending out subscriptions because our fulfillment company was making too many mistakes. Now we have over 8000 magazines to send out, so it it taking some time. We apologize for all the delays.
On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:11 AM, The Horse BackStreet Choppers (Shopify)"
It at Least sounds hopeful.
Dusty

RickG61
09-15-2017, 7:49 AM
After I got the reply, which said they were bringing subs back in house since other company was screwing them up, I asked if this meant they WOULD be doing subs. They replied quickly. NO. But I could still buy them on news stand or order single issues at their website store. So, looks like no more subs.

TravelingBone
09-15-2017, 6:01 PM
...I asked if this meant they WOULD be doing subs. They replied quickly. NO. But I could still buy them on news stand ....

Too bad. For me the newsstand is a once or twice a year impulse buy, but that's about it. Newsstand prices are ridiculous.

Guess I'll consider The Horse to be The Dead Horse and start looking around for alternatives.

7and7is
09-16-2017, 5:21 PM
Cafe Racer is a good rag, however they fucked up my subscription also.

TravelingBone
09-17-2017, 7:06 AM
Cafe Racer is a good rag, however they fucked up my subscription also.

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into them. I'm also going to give Cycle Source a whirl and see how I like their content (and reliability).

1954bmw
09-18-2017, 6:33 AM
Bought issue 171 off of ebay, still waiting for it's arrival, Cycle Source has been good so far, cept they use black ink on dark paper and these old eyes can't read it half the time

RickG61
09-18-2017, 9:29 AM
Bought issue 171 off of ebay, still waiting for it's arrival, Cycle Source has been good so far, cept they use black ink on dark paper and these old eyes can't read it half the time

Tell me about it. I'm not sure how many issues I've had where a portion of the article is hard as hell to read since the print blends into their background photo. Otherwise, not a bad magazine.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-18-2017, 3:19 PM
I am bummed about the Subscription issue as I have a sub card stuck to my filing cabinet here in my office. I bought issues for many years at newstands at local stores usually would swing in on my way home from work, But I am disabled and not working and dont leave home much so, had planned to sub.
I am going thru my old issues (Other magazines too) and putting post it notes for tech stuff to save copies of, then I am selling off a lot of my old magazines. (Got a ton of car, airplane and motorcycle mags going back to the 70s),
I have bought cafe racer off and on. The editor Mike Seate i have mixed feelings about. In general I LIKE the magazine and like most of the content. But he used to be involved in some HD fad bike magazines (Think fat tires and lots of bling) So some say he is just riding another fad, but I will give him & his staff a chance. But they DO have some annoying typos and editorial as well as tech errors. Shit happens, but some should be caught in better proof reading and fact checking.
Cycle Source seemed more HD orientated and I like a cross section of bikes, not just the latest HD fad, but they seem to be a little more willing to experiment with content the last few years but for a while it was "Our way or the highway",
But thats why I like the Horse,,, All kinds of bikes and styles and they refused to carry any of the current bagger fad, plus a little cafe racer stuff would sneak in, so thats cool with me. In a perfect world, What I want to see is talented home based builders bikes and maybe 10-20% pro built stuff. Sleazy riders went to shit in my opinion when they just featured checkbook bikes only.
As in "I paid $40,000 for this Indian Billy Bourget OCC bike inspired by a dream catcher Tshirt I bought from WCC".

There used to be a UK based magazine called "Classic motorcycle mechanics" and if you can find old issues they are cover to cover cool tech articles on all kinds of stuff from Carbs & ignitions to Frame repair and engine & Trans rebuilding. Really indepth shop manual grade stuff.Last I checked,, Not nearly so cool. But issues from the 1980s up until early 2000s are pure gold.

See: https://www.classicmechanics.com/

Old vintage Iron Horse, and Easy Riders though are still gold, and I get requests all the time to sell mine. Back in the 1980s We had a big stack of them in some of the places I worked and very inspirational. Seems there would be a market for reprinting them. I still have some cool cartoons from some of the artists too. Miraculus Mutha's recipe for tequila pancakes???

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vonhelmet
09-19-2017, 4:56 AM
^Hal Robinson^ one of the greatest under-rated cartoonists. He had amazing detail. You can stare at his work for hours and still find stuff you missed.

47str8leg
09-19-2017, 1:37 PM
^Hal Robinson^ one of the greatest under-rated cartoonists. He had amazing detail. You can stare at his work for hours and still find stuff you missed.

Been trying to nail that book down for years.
Basically all today's mags suck.
Mike Seate is a turd , the old IH during the Snow
Era proved him to be a fraud back in the 90s.
Old IH's and Easyriders are great.
Only need 2-3 more issues of IH to complete the
Collection. Decent amount of doubles to trade towards old 1985 on down Easyriders , last couple of old IHs I still need and any other interesting books or older chopper mags from the 60's- 70's.

Hoghead
09-19-2017, 2:43 PM
So which Old IH do you need?

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-19-2017, 2:43 PM
Been trying to nail that book down for years.
Basically all today's mags suck.
Mike Seate is a turd , the old IH during the Snow
Era proved him to be a fraud back in the 90s.
Old IH's and Easyriders are great.
Only need 2-3 more issues of IH to complete the
Collection. Decent amount of doubles to trade towards old 1985 on down Easyriders , last couple of old IHs I still need and any other interesting books or older chopper mags from the 60's- 70's.

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Be hapy to do some swapping if I have them, PM me in mid to late October as I will get back into inventorying my magazines. I got a wide range of stuff from vintage Hot rodding, Car craft, circle track and then a big cross section of biker magazines. On the modern IH-BSC I started last winter and got half done. Tagged and started making copies of tech stuff I want to keep and photocopy/scan. But I want to downsize and sell off some of this stuff.
when I find it again Ill post the Miraculas Muthas recipe for Tequila pancakes as well as her relationship advice column.

I had to run some errands in town and tried 4 different stores and seems biker magazines are a dying breed. 2 of them are now run by the Mormons and seems they have no problems with any gun magazines, and a few rat rod car magazines but any of the biker stuff is now gone. Only MC related stuff is dirt bikes. I went to 2 other stores as well. Nada, Zip, Zilch, Nyet, Nein, Nope,, NOTHING! Like I said,,, only dirt bike magazines.
Is it a conspiracy? Jeff Sessions? Trump??

Many of you guys are too young, but back in the 1980s the gummint cracked down on Playboy and Penthouse and prosecuted 7-11 and other retailers for obscenity. Then Tipper Gore and other Politicians wives with their panties in a wad got together and tried to outlaw any music they deemed offensive. Anyone remember 2 live crew? Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Def Leppard. All had years of crap thrown at them. Attorney General Edwin Meese was the head guy at the time.

Maybe the reason we cant get quality chopper mag material is Atty General Jeff Sessions!

Not so far fetched as you might think. (This cost taxpayers millions and millions of dollars) and those of us serving in the military overseas saw all porn go away permanently from any Base BX/PX or Commissary. (Was the high point of the month to go the BX when the new magazines came in)

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/10/23/meese-forms-antipornography-task-force/a4f92688-5d87-4779-8d0a-a0e37277f18f/?utm_term=.82caf64c011a

By Howard Kurtz October 23, 1986
Attorney General Edwin Meese III unveiled a plan yesterday to combat what he called "an explosion of obscenity," announcing the formation of an antipornography task force and proposing laws to restrict obscene material on cable television, telephone messages and computer networks.

Endorsing most of the recommendations made by his commission on pornography in a 1,960-page August report, Meese also called upon "hundreds of thousands of concerned citizens" to "express their understandable intolerance . . . and revulsion for the obscene materials being sold in their neighborhoods."

Meese said the Justice Department had never tried to "intimidate" retailers who sell magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse, but added that consumer boycotts have been "a traditional form of expression" for "moral causes."

Under pressure from antipornography groups to take strong action, Meese went further than had been expected in seeking legislative changes. He also announced creation of an obscenity prosecution center in the department's Criminal Division to train U.S. attorneys and local prosecutors, provide expert witnesses and draft model antipornography statutes.

The center will be augmented by a task force of Criminal Division lawyers, who Meese said would help increase the number of pornography prosecutions at the state and local level.

Several antipornography groups praised Meese's actions yesterday. Morality in Media Inc., a New York group, said, "The attorney general's announcement today has put back the bite in the teeth of the federal obscenity laws which have been sitting on the books almost unused for over a decade."

But Barry W. Lynn of the American Civil Liberties Union said that "the fanfare . . . is designed to frighten producers and retailers out of the business of selling sexually oriented materials."

"He didn't declare nuclear war on this material, but by intimidating or frightening people, you can also do considerable damage," Lynn said. "It does have the feel of FBI agents scrutinizing video stores and monitoring television broadcasts."

Lynn cited a Meese proposal in which retailers and producers would have to keep records showing that the models in sexually explicit films and magazines are over 21. He said it was "preposterous" to suggest that storekeepers "have to know whether the woman in Playboy this month is 21 or 20 1/2."

blah blah,.,,, look this stuff up yourself but you get the idea.

You will get my chopper magazines only when you pry them from my cold dead fingers!

47str8leg
09-19-2017, 5:45 PM
So which Old IH do you need?

#41 August 1984
#54 October 1985
#70 November or December 1987
#76 July or August 1988
#135 August 1995 ( which I had but loaned out , never to be seen again.).

Also issue #71 , which I have but is pretty ratty.
They did not publish every month that's why #70&76 could be either .

KevinN
09-20-2017, 5:44 PM
The Horse must be on life support. The back talk forum members are writing their good byes and the tech and swap boards are gone. Nice of the Horse mgt. to keep their customers in the loop. They took money and haven't been forthright.

TravelingBone
09-20-2017, 6:43 PM
The Horse must be on life support. The back talk forum members are writing their good byes and the tech and swap boards are gone. Nice of the Horse mgt. to keep their customers in the loop. They took money and haven't been forthright.

That sucks. I'm no lawyer ( even though I pretend to be one on the internet ), but I'd think what those folks did is borderline mail fraud.

I guess I'll start collecting old mags from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Too much of the newer stuff has a fashion conscious vibe that rings false to me. I much prefer the "I-locked-myself-in-the-garage-with-a-case-of-beer-and-this-is-what-I-built" genre.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-21-2017, 1:42 AM
The Horse must be on life support. The back talk forum members are writing their good byes and the tech and swap boards are gone. Nice of the Horse mgt. to keep their customers in the loop. They took money and haven't been forthright.

I just went to their page, and I can get the swap meet page to open and its active (Somewhat) but none of the other pages exist <Network 54-404 page not found> Trolled around and back issues are marked SALE and marked down to $2.50 per issue is that normal? I also checked some of the webpages as well and in used bike marketplace Hammer is selling his Indian for $30,000 does he need the money or just time for a change? I thought he was rather fond of it. (But I have not read every issue)

I did not try and sign up for a subscription because of all the negative reports but there is a link to locate magazines at partner retailers near you. I followed it to that webpage (Pretty cool idea really) But all the stores near me in a 30 mile area I have checked most of those stores and none have them in stock. (I checked over the last few days personally) despite the website says they are stocked at those locations

See: http://magfinder.magnetdata.net/magazines/8746/dealers?display=map

BTW, There used to be a UK magazine called "Back Street heroes" and it was very cool, I have some issues from the 1980s thru early 2000? (About 7 copies total) that I picked up at swap meets years back.
I always wondered about the Change from "Iron Horse" to "The Horse Back street choppers". In all the issues I have read I never heard a explanation for the modification of the name from the OG Iron Horse despite many articles talking about the struggles to stay in business and some of the issues they had.

Is the current magazine partnered with the UK Magazine Back Street Heroes? Are they connected at all? This WOULD have been a good topic for the backtalk forum but I cant access it anymore.

78882

KevinN
09-21-2017, 6:23 AM
The name "The Horse" was due to the name "Iron Horse" and intellectual property with that name was owned by somebody else and not for sale at the time hammer fired up with the new magazine. Not sure I would be buying anything from their web store. Their lack of communication with their customers is evidence something is up. The internet has changed the print magazine world. Has to be a tough business to sustain.

RickG61
09-21-2017, 7:01 AM
I also checked some of the webpages as well and in used bike marketplace Hammer is selling his Indian for $30,000 does he need the money or just time for a change? I thought he was rather fond of it. (But I have not read every issue)


I think I saw a facebook page a couple of weeks ago that showed him and the new owners standing around that Indian. So I believe its been sold for a short while now. But yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Why the sell off?


They sent me an e-mail saying I was owed a refund for my never received subscription, but I've yet to see a check in my mailbox.

DoubleDeviate
09-21-2017, 9:33 AM
Sure looks like it's done. Sad, really. I was on there from the beginning, pretty much. Made some good friends through the forum, both online and in person. I think it sucks that no one from the magazine is saying anything, but I'm sure that's on the advice of their lawyers. I'll be posting here from time to time once I figure how to post pictures.
DD

7and7is
09-21-2017, 10:45 AM
Well, they should refund their paying customers the remaining of their balance, even if they have to take out a loan, otherwise, how do you show you face at an event with out getting ridiculed, surely they are not getting out of the bike business all together, come on horse staff chime in, give us something, sob story, what ever, maybe we'll forgive.

Hoghead
09-21-2017, 2:22 PM
#41 August 1984
#54 October 1985
#70 November or December 1987
#76 July or August 1988
#135 August 1995 ( which I had but loaned out , never to be seen again.).

Also issue #71 , which I have but is pretty ratty.
They did not publish every month that's why #70&76 could be either .

Sorry-i've checked and don't have these.

Hoghead
09-21-2017, 2:26 PM
[/QUOTE]
BTW, There used to be a UK magazine called "Back Street heroes" and it was very cool, I have some issues from the 1980s thru early 2000? (About 7 copies total) that I picked up at swap meets years back.
I always wondered about the Change from "Iron Horse" to "The Horse Back street choppers". In all the issues I have read I never heard a explanation for the modification of the name from the OG Iron Horse despite many articles talking about the struggles to stay in business and some of the issues they had.

Is the current magazine partnered with the UK Magazine Back Street Heroes? Are they connected at all? This WOULD have been a good topic for the backtalk forum but I cant access it anymore.

78882[/QUOTE]
No connection i'm sure. As a 21 year old I remember riding home with the first Back Street Heroes edition in Nov 83, on my 69 Triumph.Still read it occasionally.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-21-2017, 3:46 PM
No connection i'm sure. As a 21 year old I remember riding home with the first Back Street Heroes edition in Nov 83, on my 69 Triumph.Still read it occasionally.[/QUOTE]

Okay, thanks you guys that answered my off topic tangent. I just always wondered why they didnt go with the original Iron Horse name, but that all makes sense. I also wondered WHY they used the "Back Street" part and thought it was odd they picked that of all things. David Gregory is FROM the UK and thought maybe he had some input.

Since they were rebranding themselves why not pick something really out there? "Chopper builders and Sheep F**kers" But I suppose that wouldnt play at grocery stores and other retail locations. But, if my area is any indication over the last few days ALL biker magazines except dirt bikes have completely gone away. Not even cycle world is on the shelf.

I still think sumthin's up........... and NO, I wont pay or use a digital version.

RickG61
09-22-2017, 9:15 AM
input.
But, if my area is any indication over the last few days ALL biker magazines except dirt bikes have completely gone away. Not even cycle world is on the shelf.

I still think sumthin's up........... and NO, I wont pay or use a digital version.

Kinda noticed that same thing the other night at Wally World. There's usually 4 or 5 different mags at the least there, sometimes more. The other night all I saw was two copies of Cycle Source. I may ride by the Barnes and Noble tonight on the way home. They usually have 10 or 12 titles on their shelves, see if the numbers are down there too.

TravelingBone
09-22-2017, 4:06 PM
Kinda noticed that same thing the other night at Wally World. There's usually 4 or 5 different mags at the least there, sometimes more. The other night all I saw was two copies of Cycle Source. I may ride by the Barnes and Noble tonight on the way home. They usually have 10 or 12 titles on their shelves, see if the numbers are down there too.

If this means the fad is over I hope we see a corresponding price drop for old bikes as well.

I checked a store that usually stocks The Horse and didn't see it or any of the other "usual suspects". I think there may have been a dirt bike mag, but that was about it.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
09-23-2017, 3:16 AM
If this means the fad is over I hope we see a corresponding price drop for old bikes as well.

I checked a store that usually stocks The Horse and didn't see it or any of the other "usual suspects". I think there may have been a dirt bike mag, but that was about it.

I *THINK* the explanation is quite simple (But I am speculating here but I have a few sources elsewhere that leads me to this conclusion).

Media, news, print, internet is growing smaller number of players and the Corporations and conglomerates getting bigger. Seeing it across the board, from farming to media.
So, to get a magazine INTO a retail location or subscription services requires a broker or printing service. Then those places have to negotiate with retailers and store locations.

Big companies such as Kroger, Walmart, Costco, Barnes & Noble all use complicated metrics to track sales and since retailers margins are small and count on volume, slow movers get the Heave-ho. I used to know many who had old magazines with the covers torn off. The reason was is if was unsold by a certain date, you tore off the covers and returned those to the Wholesaler. This got you a credit. Otherwise you have to pay for each one.
If you returned too many, you stopped carrying that one.

Now, despite all the raunchy stuff on media, tv & internet, Some important players have cracked down on morals and obscenity. Krogers controls local retailers here (They are huge) and some of the womens magazines such as Cosmo whenever they run a cover like "Orgasming enough?" Or, "How does your man measure up?" gets special covers over the magazine racks. But my last couple trips thru the stores I did not see ANY raunchy womens magazines. No Biker magazines, No street racer magazines with the Hoochie girls on the covers or anything that could offend anyone.

With the current political climate, I was not joking about revisiting the 1980s and Atty Gen Meese and the war on smut. Retailers have the same deals, Gone are the small stores and independents. Mormons control 50% of the grocery retailers in my state. They stay very low profile, but its a fact. I know some people who used to be union retail store employees. You wont find playboy, penthouse or Biker magazines with slutty girls on the covers in any of those stores.

The Groceries and retailers got together in the late 1990s in my area and literally decimated the Unions, full time jobs, wages and most importantly Health care. So most everyone I know got out of working those jobs.

Same deal in the Music business. If you want your album/CD in a retail store you have to broker special terms or Walmart, or some of the other major retailers wont cover you. Retailers of ALL kinds are struggling, Hell,,,
ToysRus is going thru bankruptcy. Business magazines and news sources I have read say Amazon is killing retail. Retail cut its own throat, and now Amazon is driving the nail in the coffin.

Same applies to motorcycle shops too btw..

So that may sound convoluted, but look around you and start thinking about WHERE and HOW you spend your money. But while I still think there IS a strong market for motorcycles in general (The fad is NOT dead) and I think there is a strong market for magazines and print media for those interests (Cafe, Restoration, Chopper or those wacky Asian customs) I think it would be REALLY hard to run a large business catering to this.

The bright side to this equation is that people are innovative. I knew Tyler malinky when he had one single product and was working out of his garage and starting to make a line of stickers. LowBrow is huge these days and they deserve all the success they worked hard to earn. But I think, someone with some cash could start up a LOWBROW customs type operation and basically self publish and distribute. But to get really big, you gotta have access to the big retailers like Walmart, Costco Barnes & noble and other ones.

But, Heres how even a well run business can get killed off by these big retailers. True story and its about Christmas trees but I know of a dozen other products/businesses that had the same fate.

My part of the world is the #1 Xmas tree growing/farms in the world. We ship all over, China, Japan, and all over the US. One of the largest farms I know the owners (Big family). They have product shipping all over the world and harvest by helicopters, bar codes and so many shipping containers it takes 4 full time accounting and inventory people to track it all.
So, they were approached by Walmart. They dont need Wallyworld but it was a sweet deal and they could fill the orders. Everyone did a high 5 and expected to be highest grossing year ever.
But the fine print killed them. Walmart wanted them to overship to all their stores so they always had the best selection and inventory. But any trees NOT delivered to retail locations Wally world did not have to pay for.
THAT is an important detail. <NOT DELIVERED> So, nobody thought anything of it. What happened was again they over ordered, staged shipments at dist. centers and trickled the product out to the retail stores as needed.
In the end several MILLION DOLLARS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Of product never made it to the retail stores. Too bad, So sad, sucks to be you! Now,,, a typical farmer in my area would be bankrupted by this. Luckily this local company was so diversified in their farming they were able to stay in business. But that was a hard blow. Wallyworld does this every year to all kinds of suppliers.

""Stack it deep, sell it cheap, stack it high and watch it fly! Hear those downtown merchants cry! .." Now, I dont think its too much to say probably something like this is going on and squeezing The Horse Magazines nuts.

TravelingBone
09-24-2017, 6:30 PM
Interesting, if the retail side of the publishing business is such a drag you would think that magazines would work like crazy to cultivate the subscription side of things. Not to mention, find other revenue streams like merchandising and online opportunities.

Regardless, I guess I'll stop checking my mailbox for the latest issue of The Horse. What a bunch of douches.

DirtySouth
09-24-2017, 8:31 PM
Biketoberfest is around the corner be interesting to see whats up at Tattoo Willies Old School Bike Show

RickG61
09-25-2017, 11:32 AM
Kind of ironic that before they mailed out this last issue ever for subscriptions, one of Hammers editorials was talking about the rise and fall of Easy Riders. He offered them $2000 cash and said they'd never get a better offer. Maybe I could offer Hammer $1.03 for the Horse. LOL He's not gonna get a better offer. LOL

I've seen them posting pics of events on Facebook, and the comments have been brutal about ripping people off and stealing their subscription money. The Horse never seems to reply to those comments for some reason.

horseshoe
09-25-2017, 12:16 PM
Always bought mine off the rack, there was a post on backtalk once that they stated they pocketed more $$$ from rack sales than on subscriptions. So I tried to help out that way. But I agree that when Eman took over the mag it went down hill a bit. It was always full of his type of bike IE Triumphs and Shovels. I love both but I wanna see everything! Been hard to find on the shelf the past year or so. Oh well I hope it doesn't fold but all good things come to an end.

Hoghead
09-25-2017, 3:12 PM
$2000 cash? Yeah, right. Even if Easyriders ain't what it used to be, what the hell is? At least it's still there. Things change - I love rereading my old seventies Easyriders, but still buy the new ones every month. Only damn mag I still buy regular. I'm sure i'm not the only one who got pissed off with all the column inches the Horse wasted slagging off anyone/thing that made them feel insecure (baggers, other rags etc).

CISO1969
09-29-2017, 9:16 PM
Finally replied to me too, saying they are sending out mags now to those due them. Sorry for delay, etc

....and I have still not received issue 171 two weeks later

TravelingBone
09-30-2017, 5:08 AM
....and I have still not received issue 171 two weeks later

Not surprised. I quit expecting mine, but what really pisses me off is that these people basically just stole from me. Hell, I liked the filthy rag and some of the personalities in it, I would've been more than willing to do what I could to help them stay afloat. Instead, they just took the money and ran. I guess if I look at the masthead for the last issue I received I would see that NIGGA Dusty listed at the very top.

Too bad. That is one sad-ass ending.

DirtySouth
10-12-2017, 6:46 PM
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Dougtheinternetannoyance123
10-12-2017, 11:29 PM
" An update...

Last issue we printed was April #170. There were no issues printed in May, June or July. Issue #171 was recently printed and shipped out. For the past 6 months I have personally had to code and build an entire new subscriber database system. We had some terrible problems with subscribers not receiving magazines, subscribers buying from 3rd party companies and and being ripped off, and many other issues. Therefore it is easier for us to manage the subscriptions in-house. During this same timeframe we had some issues with the printer we were using previously. In finding a new printer it does take time and a new print schedule has to be created. I try my best to work as fast as possible, but I am only one person and there are only so many hours in a day.

Yes I hear your complaints that the stores received the magazines before subscribers. There is nothing I can do to change that at all. All the magazines from the order I send to the printer goes out at the same time. The difference is that it goes directly to the stores and subscriptions go to USPS. I can't control how long it takes for them to sort through and deliver all of the magazines for subscribers. If I tell the printer to send the subscribers magazines out first to USPS but hold on to the store shipments, the cost is ridiculous.

Most of the subscribers magazines have been shipped, but there are some that have not shipped. Why? When I created the new database I found that the majority of subscriptions were not correct. Some people paid for a 1 year, was listed as receiving less than the 10 issues or renewed but it was never added. So Ive had to manually verify every single subscription to make sure that all of them are correct for the amount of issues, starting issues, missed issues, last issue, address and amount paid.

So thanks for being patient. I will make sure everyone who paid for a subscription receives every issue they paid for.

And no my only job is not just doing the subscriptions.

For any questions regarding subscriptions we have two numbers to call: 1-844-419-7782 and 1-586-992-9803. Both of these numbers are for subscriptions and for regular orders. The other numbers that you guys call are the staff personal numbers so yes it might not get answered. The 313-414-3955 number is my personal number. I can only do so much in a day and my voicemail fills up everyday. Our office manager, Carla, returns calls regarding orders and subscriptions.

If you prefer to email: askcharlie@thehorsebc.biz

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
10-12-2017, 11:56 PM
9/29....HAVE NEVER SEEN 171 in the mail, now on the Forum it says 172 is printing, call, email, facebook message, even respond to THEIR posts on facebook....NOTHING TOTAL RIP OFF, and so sad as I've had a sub for 6 years....been reading for 7! How many times did he blast other mags for doing this same thing....but to not even respond? They have lost face with this one.....
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They way it went down just reaffirms what ive always thought about hammer...by flatheadmatt

He tore into me when I was 20 years old back when I had my 45flatty in issue 7. I posted something on here that he didnt agree with. He let me have it bad. I can understand disagreeing with someone, but he always came off like a self righteous dick. Looks like his true colors are now on display for all to see. So much for all that honor bullshit. HA! I have checked in from time to time. It was always good to see some familiar faces like Double D, flathead phil....ect. From the days of the FUCK Choppers and punk rock board.

Jockey Journal is a good board still for info as well as chopcult for more conversation ect.....see ya all around! Cheers!
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Responseby Hammer
Owner

If a subscriber just asked, "Hey, where's my mag?" then that would be an easy question to answer, which by the way has been answered on several levels. But when someone comes here and starts talking about sexual fantasies, "those people" and throwing around terms like "respect" when they have no idea what the word means, then my response is going to be a little more callous... There is only one person at the office now, and it's not me; I run the gun shop. Carla comes in on a volunteer basis and really helps a lot, as does Englishman. They are both exceptional friends, doing what they can to keep us going. I appreciate everything they do. I have used my own personal finances to support the magazine and trust me, most of you have more in your wallet than I do in the bank. But we push on and make sacrifices to keep the magazine alive and it is. We just received 172 while 173 is going to the printers in a week or so. My rent is due tomorrow and I have no idea how I am going to pay it. But I will, somehow, someway. I am not going to tell the landlord that I usually have sex a certain way hoping to get kisses from him, or call my landlord "those people" after being friends for years. I have obligations and will meet those obligations, whether to you, the readership, or the plethora of creditors who want their money yesterday. We have sold personal vehicles, personal property and started eating Ramen noodles for dinner to survive the storm. And then to have some clown come here and talk about respect, well, learn what the word means before throwing it around...I invite anyone here to come out and sit with us for a week, walk in our shoes and experience the joys or publishing a magazine. After one week I guarantee you no one would be talking shit... We are up and running. We increased the frequency from 10 to 12 issues a year. In order to do that we had to rethink our structure and operate more smartly. And if you think we are the only ones like this, think again... So go ahead and call the BBB, credit cards companies, Dr Phil and whoever else floats your boat. When times were good I gave a lot to a lot of people. Didn't mention it, broadcast it or publish it; I did it because they needed help and I helped them. I can put together a list of people that benefitted 10 times over what they rated, but they needed help and I helped them. I didn't kick them when they were down, toss around loose terms like respect or call fraud on their asses because they were going through hard times. Now that the tables are turned, I see who were real and who just took everything they could. And there are many in that category. Debo, Ted Arsen, Englishman, Carla, Fab Kevin, Boomer, to name a very few, stood by me and the magazine when others bailed out. But that's ok, no one owes me anything. If I have but one reader left, we will still produce the best magazine we can. Thanks to all of you that have been patient and stuck with us. To the rest, sorry I let you down, the buck stops here.
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Apologies to Pearlyby Boardracer
Horsemen

Well Ralph if you need an apology for questioning your integrity then here it is I`m sorry,Nobody came on here to discuss sexual fantasies but used a metaphor for the treatment they felt they`re getting and you know it. But if you think you`ve treated your subscriber base respectfully and honorably then agree to disagree,I`m not sure that if the distribution part of the magazine is so corrupt then why in your restructure are you not going to a subscriber based release to bypass it.Because subscribers do not pay the bills advertiser do and selling a ad to 10,000 subscribers or to a newsstand release of 150,000 is a no brainer,You say that all that asked about their subscriptions have been answered on many levels then why are there multiple post/threads asking where my mag? The answer given was 171 was to be in mail boxes by mid August but still no mag,Then this email 'The are in the process of being sent out. We had to take over the subscriptions due to errors being made. We have to send out over 8000 magazines, so it is taking some time. Sorry for the delay'.Then in your own post you say all be given equity ,all people want to know which is it.It is a fair question,I do not need a refund of my remaining subscription the money as it will neither make or break me so keep it.You needed it more than me .If your response had come at an earlier date you could have avoided allot of discourse in those that support your magazine.Nobody wants you to fail and I hope you can turn it around ,As far as those who stand beside you when the bottom falls out proves that if you can count your true friends on one hand when you die then you`ve lived a good life,Good Luck in the words of Peter Fonda Clown Out

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by Hammer
Owner
No apology necessary. You, and everyone else, has every right to complain about the service. Please allow us time to regain financial strength. I have met many of you at events or have known you since we started if only by virtue of this board. You are not just an order number; I need to make you feel that way. I rarely come on here because my main source of social media is my personal instagram site, which has nothing to do with motorcycles. So it may take a while before I see the unanswered questions. Spacey is one of my strongest staff member right now and he has been doing an great job of responding to questions and manning events. I hope I never lose him.

TravelingBone
10-13-2017, 4:02 AM
To fill out the form for a refund go here (https://thehorsebc.world/pages/subscriptions) and scroll to the bottom of page; you'll see a place to enter your information.

They've made it clear that the subscription option is dead as a doornail. Last issue I received as part of my subscription was #170. I ordered #171 separately and received it last week. I suppose this is how it's going to be from this point forward; you will have to order each issue individually.

Can't say I'm thrilled about how I found out that subscriptions were no longer an option, but I do hope they find a way to stay afloat.

DirtySouth
10-18-2017, 8:08 PM
Just came from the Walmart and have issue 172 in hand

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
10-19-2017, 12:34 AM
Sucks about the subscriptions, I just dont understand why that is NOT the best money maker for them, Obviously if you have to pay a service to send them out that is expensive, but I would think as a inhouse gig once a month shipping would be a pain but keeps the money in their own pockets.

I was in town today (rare i go anywhere) and stopped by 2 stores and both have had the mags in the past but nothing. Not even much other biker content. No sleazy riders, no cycle source, not even cycle world or dirt bikes,, and looked and all the import car mags are gone too that always had skanky chicas on the covers.

I HATE HATE WALMART both the stores themselves and many of the people inside. (Costco also pisses me off, self absorbed suburbanites, I try to crash my cart into as many as possible when they stop smack dab in the middle of the aisles. No situational awareness) Sad that Walmart is the preferred go-to location,
My buddys trucks got a big sign on the back, "ship your jobs to China and keep shopping at Walmart!" oh well...

CISO1969
10-23-2017, 10:53 PM
I am waiting for issue 172 as a paid subscriber. I renewed when it came due months back. Still waiting for 171 and as was pointed out 172 is now in stores.

I understand you have hardships, but your lack of communication in social media at the very least is not right. People would have been supportive and worked with you at the very least understood if you posted what you just posted here, on Facebook and other places several weeks ago.

Now I'm just annoyed. I like the magazine, but will I wind up getting a 3 pack from you 4 weeks from now? #171,172 and 173?

Is there anything we as the consumer can do to help verify a subscription? I am pretty sure I used a card.

Lee

RickG61
10-24-2017, 2:05 PM
Saw the latest issue on the news stands at Barnes and Noble over the weekend. Honestly, I picked it up, looked at the cover, put it back in the rack and walked away. I'm still waiting on my refund from the subscription I'll never receive. I hate like hell to give them any more of my money until they give me back what they owe me.

I understand there is some problem with mailings/subscriptions. But why in the hell don't they just mail out to those who already paid, but refuse to take anymore NEW subs. Once the existing subs have all been filled/completed, don't allow them to be renewed. People who normally subscribed would be bummed, but not pissed like we are now.

I filed for my refund weeks ago. so far, no new mag and no old money in my mailbox.

TravelingBone
10-30-2017, 10:46 AM
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I filed for my refund weeks ago. so far, no new mag and no old money in my mailbox.

FYI.... my goods (#171 and refund) arrived today so it looks like they are doing what they can to make good.

PRWIS13
10-30-2017, 3:10 PM
Well I'm glad I posted this on Chop Cult. Thanks to all that answered. And thanks for Hammer setting it straight. I will not kick a guy when he is down unless I want him to stay down. Hammer you can consider my last $37.75 a donation to get the Horse back on its feet. But it will be a long time before I buy another copy. Hope you and your staff the best.

johno
10-30-2017, 9:29 PM
I still haven't received anything since April.
A reply to my email inquiry , asks me to be patient.

Six months seems patient to me?

Been a subscriber for 7 or 8 yrs, frankly it's the lack of explanation that pisses me off.
I went out and bought the last 2 issues, not a word about whatever is going on, which just pisses me off more.

7and7is
10-31-2017, 9:39 AM
Well I'm glad I posted this on Chop Cult. Thanks to all that answered. And thanks for Hammer setting it straight. I will not kick a guy when he is down unless I want him to stay down. Hammer you can consider my last $37.75 a donation to get the Horse back on its feet. But it will be a long time before I buy another copy. Hope you and your staff the best.

Please explain (I will not kick a guy when he is down), is the man having some kind of hardship? I have yet to hear an explanation as to why the problems, can you elaborate? If you feel like donating money I could sure use a few bucks.:)

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
10-31-2017, 2:17 PM
Please explain (I will not kick a guy when he is down), is the man having some kind of hardship? I have yet to hear an explanation as to why the problems, can you elaborate? If you feel like donating money I could sure use a few bucks.:)

I could use money too! Reread this thread and while most of the posts dont explain I did cut and paste a bunch of stuff from the Horse forum here that should give you an idea of the problems as well as other posts that people have put up.

Bottom line, the Horse got in a financial pinch with printers and distributors (Allegedly) and had to retool and got rid of subscriptions and only selling retail in Walmart and a few other retailers.
But the point of the thread was to gripe and complain about the lack of info, poor communication, and any info any one had about whats really going on.

BBut you would know that if you read the rest of the thread.

7and7is
11-01-2017, 2:44 PM
BBut you would know that if you read the rest of the thread.

Guilty! But dude some of your post are kind of long winded, my bad, kinda lost interest when ya'll started talking about old rags and such, still I want my fucking money back or at least an email from them to me explaining what happened.

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
11-01-2017, 5:00 PM
BBut you would know that if you read the rest of the thread.

Guilty! But dude some of your post are kind of long winded, my bad, kinda lost interest when ya'll started talking about old rags and such, still I want my fucking money back or at least an email from them to me explaining what happened.

Well I am just a guy offering my own observations and not a spokesperson from the Horse, You need to direct that to them, I AM longwinded and thats challenging for people reading on a crackberry or Ifruit or the ADD/ADHD types.
But good luck getting answers,, The point is, people DO WANT to support the magazine, and are angry about the lack of info which is totally fair. But other than what I posted, and others, not a lot of info so call them or better yet find out when they will be at an event and go ask.

There was a GREAT posting by George the Painter years ago when he strapped a huge chunk of lunch meat to his bike and rode to OCC and got the (at that point) pretty ripe meat signed by Paul Sr, Jr and others. Then stood on his bikes seat and sang "My Baloney has a first name,, its.........." and Security was called and he was escorted off premises. Pictures were taken! Maybe you should do the same!
Let us know if you do and Ill happily donate a Paypal to a gofund me account to help cover fuel to get there. I bet it would be quite popular. (Bail money is on you)

RickG61
11-03-2017, 10:41 AM
FYI.... my goods (#171 and refund) arrived today so it looks like they are doing what they can to make good.

Still waiting. I filed for a refund over a month ago. Sent e-mails, actually received some correspondence, but with zero results. Then I received an e-mail telling me to file for a refund and they'd get me taken care of. I guess they ignored the first request I had filed. So, I filed again, referenced the first filing, because I don't want them to think I'm trying to double dip on them. That's been a couple of weeks now. Thankfully, I'm well past the age of holding my breath to get my way. I'd have been dead weeks ago. LOL

70pelle
11-03-2017, 2:34 PM
I haven't replied to anything about this topic anywhere. Because I stopped getting the Horse 5 years ago, and stopped hanging around the website. The reason I see their demise is a long played out one, over many years. You can't run a business by burning your bridges and walking over people. If you look back through the years of the Horse, and see all the builders who where featured and promoted by the Horse. Then to soon be come blood enemies, or even worse. The list is long, how long could that go on without hurting there core business model. Take away the main source of your material, you become stagnant. And with a whole new readership coming of age, they had nothing to offer. They did it to themselves and can't even see it.

Ken A

tomahawk1976
11-10-2017, 7:44 PM
I don't really give a shit....haven't bought a mag in years, but i sent my homie who is locked down a sub and the Horse and Cycle Source is all the mail he gets every month. Get your fucking shit together

Dougtheinternetannoyance123
11-13-2017, 1:35 AM
I don't really give a shit....haven't bought a mag in years, but i sent my homie who is locked down a sub and the Horse and Cycle Source is all the mail he gets every month. Get your fucking shit together

I doubt they read this stuff over here,,, getting a straight answer on the Horses own pages is an art in itself, This is just a gripe post venting about the lack of info.

But If I was locked up or a remote deployment in the Military and my main entertainment was one of these mags,. I would be seriously upset as well. When I was overseas, No matter what military base I was at, It was a big deal to get mail. (Long before the internet). You would to the base PO and look in the little window and if there was mail in it, Happy day. If it was cool mail from home or something you ordered that was a REALLY Good day,, But even junk mail was better than nothing. Just that piece of paper in that little window gave you a warm fuzzy.

Most would never understand,, it just was that way. So, again long before the internet, snap chat, skype or anything like that.

So, One friend always had armloads of mail most days,,. we asked what the deal was. Simple but crude. He told us... "You know in the back of porn mags there is those ads for $9.99 porn compilation tapes? Order one of those, and they sell your name to every smut mailing list on the planet. Problem solved. Everyday there is mail.!".... So, it did work. Bet it would not in a prison, but for lonely and bored GIs we sure got a lot of enjoyment out of seeing our mailboxs full.

Maybe a stupid comment, but sure beats some lame ass phony tribute to veterans on facebook.

ckamin
11-23-2017, 3:46 PM
Got this email on 09/12 too...

"We are in the process of sending out Issue #171. We have over 8000 to send out, so it will take a little time. Sorry for the inconvenience."

And I'm still waiting for #171 and #172. I recently sent another email inquiry with no reply. I'd just appreciate an answer, you know?

PRWIS13
01-09-2018, 4:21 PM
Today I was in the shop trying to save a part off my latest build. Two hours getting a broke off 1/8 inch drill bit out off a blind hole. Pissed off I came in the house to see The Horse had sent me #171 and #172. After nothing sense April. Made my day a little better!