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beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:06 PM
thats jus what i herd...

number1son
06-01-2010, 9:07 PM
I think we'll see our first cultist banned if true.

KrOwN
06-01-2010, 9:07 PM
:facepalm:

dalebfast
06-01-2010, 9:11 PM
So? My 1st gen Keystones are holding up well, and my Biltwell helmet makes my head sweat, just like any other helmet. All the while i'm enjoying the exceptional savings and awesome styling!!!

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:13 PM
no seriously thats what i heard today. not trying to be a dick

number1son
06-01-2010, 9:15 PM
This is going to end like that dudes Nash rant,mee thinks.

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:17 PM
This is going to end like that dudes Nash rant,mee thinks.

im not ranting im just sayin thats what i herd

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:18 PM
wait hold on , let me say again. thats what i heard. i could give a shit less

Frankenfab
06-01-2010, 9:26 PM
The biltwell items that I have had customers bring in for install - seats and seat brackets- are of exceptional quality in comparison to other shit I see.... Made in the US or not.

YOUR FORD IS MADE 99% OVER SEAS.


Live in the fucking now dude.

number1son
06-01-2010, 9:27 PM
Not trying to imply that your ranting. Just saying parts will be deleated and moved perhaps with a bunch of people bitchin you are going to ruined that company.

How did you hear such a thing are you part of the A-Team ?Not the shitty movie one the real A-Team that I spent a glourious weekend marathon watching.My favorite one is the one where Rick James guest stars and the team help's save Issac Hayes(Black Moses).

Frankenfab
06-01-2010, 9:30 PM
I REALLY fucking hate that they are making an A-Team movie. Hollywood is slowly destroying my childhood one piece at a time.
I bet that fucking movie was made in Taiwan.

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:31 PM
all i said is thats what i heard. i ride a harley and that fucker is made in tiawan. but assembled here. i still ride it.

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:32 PM
fuck a-team i wanna see a fall guy movie

number1son
06-01-2010, 9:36 PM
YOUR FORD IS MADE 99% OVER SEAS.


Live in the fucking now dude.[/QUOTE]

That's the whole fucking problem with this country these day's to many people living in the now and not looking at the future of where shit's heading and it's sadly already there, in the shitnami.I am no less to blame than anyone. I am just sore I am not making any money off it and can barely afford the "cheap product's".You could interchange the Ford with any popular American brand.Suck's is all.

kingdeadbeat
06-01-2010, 9:38 PM
To answer your question, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's made over seas.....I'm sure you and most people don't care, even though everyone got all huffy about it. I'll bet there won't be a banning spree either.

WarGhost
06-01-2010, 9:44 PM
I was made in the USA, but every thing I ride was made in Japan. I think Asian chicks are hot, too. Wait, what're we talking about?

justin666
06-01-2010, 9:46 PM
im asian, please dont ban me

number1son
06-01-2010, 9:47 PM
The banning line was a joke, like most of mine. They can't ban BH anyway's we'd tear this mother down like the biker gang in one of the episodes of the A-Team I watched. Sid Haig was the leader of said gang and they were going to break him out of jail.Only in reallity there will be no A-Team to string up our choppers on a crane to slow us down and ultimately stop us.By the way did you know when sweet choppers are strung up they look like a bunch of shitty small displacement jap bikes.

L7Josh
06-01-2010, 9:48 PM
Yes Biltwell is manufactured in taiwan but the company is ran by Americans

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 9:51 PM
Yes Biltwell is manufactured in taiwan but the company is ran by Americans

ha! i was right. i rule! yall can kiss my butt.

NITRO
06-01-2010, 9:52 PM
Bottom line....Biltwell is run by the most stand up, real guys I know and their products are top notch. 'Nuff said

billdozer
06-01-2010, 9:53 PM
For those who don't know me, I work at both Biltwell and Chop Cult.

Biltwell stuff is made in Taiwan. It's printed on every piece of packaging we make. Our manufacturing roots were in the BMX (bicycles) and motocross industries. When we started getting into custom bikes, choppers, whatever you want to call them, we looked at a lot of aftermarket parts and thought, "These things are dogshit no matter where they are made, and they cost way too much." So we cooked up a plan, designed some stuff, had some factories that we trust make the parts and we've been proud to stand behind them ever since. This is how we get $109 .120 wall 4130 Chromoly bars made, with dealer and distributor margins in there. Believe me, it's a pain in the ass but the end result is that it employs quite a few Americans and riders have access to quality parts at affordable prices.

Not trying to imply that your ranting. Just saying parts will be deleated and moved perhaps with a bunch of people bitchin you are going to ruined that company.

I don't understand what this means. If this thread derails and gets shitty it'll get moved to the Junk Pile eventually, but it's a legitimate topic. I think we've deleted one thread in the history of Chop Cult, so not sure what you are getting after there, maybe I'm just reading this wrong. As for A-Team, I'm going just to watch them jump the van.

number1son
06-01-2010, 9:57 PM
Yes at least they didn't fuck the van up as far as I know.

NITRO
06-01-2010, 9:58 PM
It would be nice if hollywood started coming up with some original ideas and stopped just remaking movies and tv shows....and fucking them up

84bobber
06-01-2010, 10:07 PM
thats jus what i herd...

No way man. Last week I got a set of the Keystones in black from Lowbrow and they are very very well made.

ETA:

Just read billdozer's post and I guess they are. It's a hell of a good product though.

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 10:11 PM
No way man. Last week I got a set of the Keystones in black from Lowbrow and they are very very well made.

ETA:

Just read billdozer's post and I guess they are. It's a hell of a good product though.

youd be amazed what kind of beed those 8 yr old taiwanees girls can lay down. that was a joke i kid i kid

kingdeadbeat
06-01-2010, 10:12 PM
"These things are dogshit no matter where they are made, and they cost way too much."

Great point!!!!

badmojo
06-01-2010, 10:20 PM
All good points,but i wanna see Colt Severs on the big screen!!!

84bobber
06-01-2010, 10:20 PM
youd be amazed what kind of beed those 8 yr old taiwanees girls can lay down. that was a joke i kid i kid

Ha ha good one. But seriously I'm loving them, they are way better than the buckhorns my bike originally had.

Jason

brandondubya
06-01-2010, 10:22 PM
youd be amazed what kind of beed those 8 yr old taiwanees girls can lay down. that was a joke i kid i kid

I've heard labor conditions in Taiwan are pretty decent, but I think its a fair question to ask about the conditions of these factories.

beanhead78
06-01-2010, 10:25 PM
The biltwell items that I have had customers bring in for install - seats and seat brackets- are of exceptional quality in comparison to other shit I see.... Made in the US or not.

YOUR FORD IS MADE 99% OVER SEAS.


Live in the fucking now dude.
i drive a chevy. and its made in canada you asshole!

billdozer
06-01-2010, 10:35 PM
I've heard labor conditions in Taiwan are pretty decent, but I think its a fair question to ask about the conditions of these factories.

That is a fair question. I haven't inspected every single one of them, we have a trading agent/partner that deals with the day to day with each factory but I've been to a few. OSHA would have a field day in some of them I'm sure. We joke about the kid thing too, but just because we are crass. I've never seen a kid in any of them, but I have had my kids work for us in the US shop, drilling holes that were done too small, sorting, warehouse duties, loading mom's truck for the weekly trip to the post office, etc if that counts. It's a different culture there, you should see the scaffolding made out of bamboo on construction sites, etc. The only thing I would consider a gross violation was barefoot dudes working in a carbon fiber factory that I swear I got lung cancer from in about an hour long visit. (We don't make anything out of carbon fiber, BTW.)

MIKE47
06-01-2010, 10:41 PM
I can make up any handlebar that Biltwell sells right here in the good old USA for just 2x their cost before paint and chrome. 3x the cost with paint or chrome. I lose money on every pair and you wait 2 months for them. The quality is the same. Who's bars are you gonna buy?

The Biltwell guys are demanding a great product from their suppliers and stand behind every product they sell. There is a lot of cheap shit bike parts out there but Biltwell is not one of them. Hell, some of that shit IS made here and it sucks.

And let's not forget all the great events these guys bring to us and all the events they kick gear to as sponsors of damn near every decent bike event in the country.

84bobber
06-01-2010, 11:13 PM
Exactly, and I agree. I really don't care that their stuff is made in Taiwan as long as it's quality is good. By the way big thanks to Lowbrow for the run of 7/8's Biltwell bars, it's hard to find bars for a older metric bike.

Jason

CHEN
06-01-2010, 11:19 PM
What is the benefit of having something made in the USA....can someone please explain this to me b/c I really don't get it.

brandondubya
06-01-2010, 11:29 PM
What is the benefit of having something made in the USA....can someone please explain this to me b/c I really don't get it.

It is a "Helping your fellow countrymen" sort of thing.

willythepirate
06-01-2010, 11:32 PM
What is the benefit of having something made in the USA....can someone please explain this to me b/c I really don't get it.

The idea is we keep "our" money in "our" country and keep "our" people working

CHEN
06-01-2010, 11:34 PM
But without being able to outsource labor, a lot of AMERICAN companies wouldn't be able to exist; or in the case of Biltwell, may not have been able to get off the ground. Despite having manufacturing being outsourced to Taiwan, the existence of these companies creates a countless number of jobs in America (as Bill touched on earlier).

We live in a pretty global economy now. When a French companies buys out an American company, America isn't losing anything....in fact those Frenchies are probably dumping more money into the dying companies and creating more jobs here in the US. I just use the French as an example, b/c this is exactly what happened to the company I am currently working at.

convergecult
06-01-2010, 11:37 PM
It's really sad to see how things have shifted on a manufacturing level over the last decade but it's almost impossible to keep competitive otherwise. I have worked in the skate / snow industry for the last 15 years and it's terrifying to see how much of the product is actually made in North America anymore. Literally almost nothing. Great answer by Billdozer. I don't give a rip where the Biltwell product is made, it's great product and they stand behind it. Warranty support and customer service is a huge selling pont in this day and age.

travasesino
06-01-2010, 11:51 PM
All good points,but i wanna see Colt Severs on the big screen!!!

fuck that - i'm tired of sean william scott movies. you know damn well he'd be in it!



on the other hand - i am a huge colt seavers fan!

84bobber
06-02-2010, 12:19 AM
The idea is we keep "our" money in "our" country and keep "our" people working

It's a great ideal but it's kind of pointless when so many other countries have stashes of our currency or own a lionshare of our debt etc. Case in point: China

Jason

Frankenfab
06-02-2010, 12:29 AM
It seems to me that yes the US Government was all about that the buy American slogans when it benefited them along with major US companies... then when the same major companies had the chance to sell out all those workers that supported them through those times THEY DID.

EG clinging to that is just a reflection of the scam they pulled over on all of us. I feel basically betrayed.. because in the fall out of it... all those years of wearing Ford shirts and buy american shirts etc...Ford sold us out. Etc Etc Etc
Ford moved those jobs over seas because they are just another greedy corporation. Period. Insert most any other large companies name in Ford's place and it's the same deal. Sad but true. Do I like that? No... it's just the fucked reality of the times.
But none the less, I have seen this same argument over and over and over... and most the time it's from dudes that don't want to accept that by continuing to buy from those companies you are supporting their further FUCKING YOU OVER.

Buying shit made over seas is simply an unavoidable reality.

Biltwell shit is made fucking WELL. I love it... I will continue to use it. I don't ask my pot dealer where the weed is grown, I just want to smoke the shit.

erikweste
06-02-2010, 12:59 AM
wait hold on , let me say again. thats what i heard. i could give a shit less

Who brought the new guy?


beanhead - imagine sitting passenger in a car ripping down a single lane road that is elevated with rice paddies on both sides. There is oncoming traffic and your side of the car goes off into the dirt at times as you pass the other cars and you look out the window wondering how deep the water is so you know what to expect when you DO eventually end up in it. You then pull up to a shithole barn-looking building with no identifying markings and are invited inside by the owner to discuss business. As you enter, you see CNC machines producing some of the nicest billet pieces you have ever seen and wonder what the hell just happened as if you walked through a time warp. I have seen many factories over there and most of them would rival ANY shop I have seen here in the US.

Bottom line is, there is some good work coming out of Taiwan and unfortunately for the US it is at a cheaper rate because they dont get paid nearly the amount that we do here. People call out Ford and other American companies saying they moved manufacturing overseas because of greed. NO, they did it out of necessity, because we are not willing to pay $65,000 for a Ford Focus and they want to sell cars.


btw: I think you meant to say "I couldn't give a shit less". (but then again... you did bring up the whole topic)

RockinRyan
06-02-2010, 1:04 AM
Capitalism - Simultaneously the greatest and worst economic system on the planet.

I think that just about sums it up.

In any case, it's just about impossible to buy only American made products. In today's global market economy it just isn't going to happen. When a company can have a virtually identical product built overseas for half the price they would spend to make it here, what would you expect them to do? It's just a downside to free-market capitalism.

What we as consumers can do is support the companies that provide better quality products and services (Insert Biltwell, ect.) and keep things competitive.

DanK
06-02-2010, 1:19 AM
What is the benefit of having something made in the USA....can someone please explain this to me b/c I really don't get it.

There are 3 ways nations build wealth: Mining/drilling, farming, and manufacturing. You must create something that did not exist before and sell it. You either dig it out of the earth, grow it, or make it. That is how 3rd world countries rise out of poverty. That's how the US went from colony to superpower in about 3 or 4 generations. The trade deficit is the measure of how much wealth is leaving the country on an annual basis. When you buy more things from other countries than you sell to them, you might get rich, but the country as a whole loses wealth. The US became a superpower by mining, farming, and manufacturing things that the world bought. That's the only benefit.

American companies can compete with anybody. You just have to make it smarter. If you try to compete using the same process as the low cost labor country, they will eat your lunch. That's where ingenuity comes in.

Frankenfab
06-02-2010, 1:24 AM
and that also by happen stance is about to hit the coast in a week or two. FUCKING AWESOME!

There's no winning this shit.

REV
06-02-2010, 1:32 AM
if you could "give a shit less" and werent trying to start shit then you wouldnt have said anything about it in the first place! i mean obama's black, but im just saying thats what i heard...
this topic was covered in the made in the USA thread, which is a greatest hit (to address the moving/edditing issue that was mentioned)
my guess is 90% of the regular readers here knew this, the others never ordered/read that thread yet. would you like them to put up top of the page a huge banner that says


ChopCult*

*Made in Taiwan ?

MB
06-02-2010, 4:05 AM
All sorts of stuff is made all over the place.... - the best thing I've heard in realation to manufacturing is that - whether it be India/China/Taiwan/America/Australia - if they take pride in there process and produce a good product then? Why not buy it. I've allways tried to support local - but by the same token... if a products crap - it's crap. Irrelevant of origin.
Quality rules!

Allen
06-02-2010, 4:47 AM
This country (U.S.A.) is pretty fucked right now. Not that I don't have a hard on for Biltwell products, I do. But with the unemployment rate over 10% were cutting off our dicks to feed our stomachs by exporting every imaginable manufacturing job. Not to mention a host of other jobs. Don't know if it's communist or socialist, but I'd readily put my vote to a freeze plug in the "import" industry if enough Americans cared about putting america back to work and it brought jobs back, sadly, that's not a case. Your precious Vans are probably American in name but made somewhere else, like my Mexican Levi's, Honduran Dickies Long Shorts, Vietnam Old Navy Beer Logo shirts, I wonder if i'm wearing an american product on my black ass? Capitalism is good but at fuck, I'd like to hold something up that is American in NAME and ORIGIN. It dates back too, it's nothing new, I remember every lousy punk album I ever bought had the album cover printed in Canada (fucking oi!). I have a damn chinese American Flag pin on my leather vest.

Allen
06-02-2010, 4:49 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4595522565_4d8b0dc3bb_o.jpg

ridemore16
06-02-2010, 5:53 AM
^^^^ pretty much sums it up right there. There have been some great responses to this thread that go beyond the original question. I'd add my point of the last few years "economic stimulus" package (where every tax payer received $600/$1200 if married) did more good for the Chinese economy than ours. They bankrolled the package, then reaped the benefits when a vast majority spent their $$$ on flat screen tv's at Best Buy. Great deal for them!!!

Bozi
06-02-2010, 6:59 AM
This has turned into a very good thread. Its cool to see all the points of view, with no flame jobs.The problems are so extensive on the reasons why things are the ways they are its hard to grasp.

But yes, to make a product, that Biltwell can sell to a shop, & leave them room to mark up & make money selling that product is how they have prospered so well. People want to to stock & sell it. They, Biltwell put a TON of effort into marketing, shows, this forum, research, etc etc, to make a great line that presented well. Now 20 different shops sell their stuff (more Im sure) & those 20 guy are happy they have a popular product with the correct pricing structure built in.

Im sure Biltwell would give a nut NOT to have to flyover seas just to look at factories. But guess what, our health insurance cost over a grand a month for family, my electric bill has tripled in last year, my kids wanted to go to collage but since they are 500 percent higher then a few years ago.......WE have to make assloads of money to pay for basic stuff that insurance companies & lawsuits have driven shyhigh because nothing put in check here. We, here have to make a lot of money to pay for the basic BS. Labor rate at dealer is over 100 dollars any hour, union guys at detriot made a very high wage, etc etc etc.

To make a good product, & have if fit into our world here, a company has to make it & sell it to a store for 30-40 percent profit, that store has to be able to sell it for the same profit hopefully......not to fuck you, but to pay for the high rent, the electric, the insurance, the state & county bs, the bla bla bla. & hopefully sell enough of it to make few dollars doing at night since their 9-5 job doesmt pay enough.

Biltwell is an exellent company that CARES alot abouyt its customer, wholesale & end user. They research, & dont go for cheapest.

Independennt, Tracker, levi, dickie, etc etc.....all sourced out. The Fucking phone call help lines, sourced out.

Lots o people to blame for this shit, but a company trying to startup & live NOW is not who to blame, they are just doing what is needed to start up. They can do it well, reasearch, & care, or do it badly, no research & jump on cheapest price, crap product, etc.

Rocks Chops, Mike47, 7 Metal west, they make the killer stuff. Can they cut their price in 1/2 to sell to a shop, so a shop can resell at list & make money, not, they pee them selfs laughing if you ask them. But that is what saves us just a little here & there, guys making stuff that they make, & market, & sell. Of course if they ever do want to expand to sell there line for real ......theyd have to source manufactuering.

Sorry to drag out........being noob and all. Good thread & discussion.

BlueCollarMoto
06-02-2010, 7:49 AM
fuck a-team i wanna see a fall guy movie

Good one. What about a movie about Benny Hill?

StoneHead
06-02-2010, 7:52 AM
"Buy American" was a marketing campaign developed by the unions, to try to justify and continue their outrageous salaries and keep folks on the lines paying their union dues.

That being said, Biltwell is doing exactly what they need to do to stay competitive, bring us great products at fair and even damn good prices. And facilitate the sharing of an art form that had started to die out in this country until relatively recently.

I've worked for mom and pop shops that imported Taiwanese and Chinese crap to sell just to profit. I've been to the dock manufacturers, watching them assemble junk bikes to ship over here. I've seen the literal crap that can come out of those countries going to the unscrupulous dealers who just want your money. I've had to build and repair the same crap when it gets here and fails. Even V-Twin MFG, who used to be straight up hard core American back in the day is selling junk from these shops.

For me, it's as simple as price versus quality and who you are. Folks like Biltwell and Low Brow live the life, practice what they preach and use what they sell. They also have a public face that you can smack around if your unsatisfied. That goes a long way in the days when you have to work twice as hard and long to make that same buck your about to spend.

TuffLuckTom
06-02-2010, 7:53 AM
Well said Bozi! I was all pissed off about the fact that I can't build my self a pair of z-bars or Ape Hangers and send them to chrome for even the same price as some of the new shit going for sale on ebay. Never mind offer them to the public for a price that is competitive. To some degree super low prices just straight kill small local fab shops because there is no chance to compete. So as one of the cats that turns out some amazing work said you have to do something different.

That is part of what I was fuming about when I came up with the Made In The USA thread. It was a sad day for me when I found out Biltwell was made in Taiwan. But I respect those guys and their product. First as every one agrees it is a very quality product! Second as has been mentioned the major players in Biltwell are part of our community and giving back! Not just along for the ride. It is very important to be part of the industry and not attempt to be the industry such as some other companys that rose and fell in the 90's. Oh and I think we may have them to thank for this forum... Along with some others.

So there I just rehashed every thing every one else said. But there is my basic take. Im glad this thread rose above a burn session. Lots of very intelligent points have been made. Bunch of great cats around here Im proud to be part of this forum!

Oh and a touch of irony for you. My cutters I use on my lathe I use to produce parts and product here in the USA are imports!

Markee
06-02-2010, 8:46 AM
I'm more surpised that folks think you could buy the material, cut, weld, prep powder or chrome, buy the box packing materials etc. and offer a set of bars for around 100 bucks in the US?. Most US works don't do that much work in a day and expect more money in their personal job.

I'm actually amazed that the tiwainesse can do it and make money, then it gets marked up 2 more times, before it gets mounted on your machine.

NHMike
06-02-2010, 8:56 AM
My 1978 Cougar is 100% made in the US, by Americans. 100% of the profits made when it was bought new (not by me, hahaha) stayed in this country.

Now, I dodn't read completely through this thread but cruised it.

I think the important thing to remember when buying merchandise, for me anyhow, is that I want the profits that are made, to go to Americans and stay in America. When you buy a new Ford, yeah alot of it is made elsewhere. BUT the bulk of profits is staying right here. On the other hand, when you buy a Honda, yeah, it might be assembled here, but the profits are going right back to China (or where-ever-the-hell they make those things).

The Biltwell guys make some good stuff and the best part of it is the money stays right here, in the US of A. Who gives a fuck if some Chinamen is making 5 cents an hour building it.

Revelator
06-02-2010, 9:50 AM
It's common knowledge that manufacturing inside the USA almost always will cost much more than
products made abroad, or even Mexico for that matter. Why is this? Well for one, American workers
require more pay than foriegn workers to offset the rediculously high taxes that the liberals & neocons
have imposed on them. Add to that the high cost of everything else in America & it becomes a timebomb.

US Factories themselves get taxed hard, & also subjected to high insurance rates for employees, Add to
that the high costs of other overhead expenses & You have a blueprint for disaster.

If & when big Government in America is changed to a more conservative approach with reduced spending,
reduced taxation, & reduced bullshit, It may be possible for US products to be made at reasonable prices.
until then, the majority of heavily taxed Americans will continue to purchase low cost goods
without regard to where these products are made.

IMO US made products, Overall, are still supreme in quality, But there are exceptions, & Biltwell is one of those.

LosDerelictos
06-02-2010, 9:55 AM
Who gives a fuck if some Chinamen is making 5 cents an hour building it.

hehe
"…also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, Asian-American, please."



ha! i was right. i rule! yall can kiss my butt.

Is this dude for real? Is he a six year old?

ridemore16
06-02-2010, 9:59 AM
hehe
"…also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, Asian-American, please."




Is this dude for real? Is he a six year old?

Sweet...I'm firing up the movie player and watching The Big Lebowski tonight for sure!!!

superflysnow
06-02-2010, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=DanK;66545]There are 3 ways nations build wealth: Mining/drilling, farming, and manufacturing. You must create something that did not exist before and sell it. You either dig it out of the earth, grow it, or make it. That is how 3rd world countries rise out of poverty. That's how the US went from colony to superpower in about 3 or 4 generations. The trade deficit is the measure of how much wealth is leaving the country on an annual basis. When you buy more things from other countries than you sell to them, you might get rich, but the country as a whole loses wealth. The US became a superpower by mining, farming, and manufacturing things that the world bought. That's the only benefit./QUOTE]

Exactly right. The Unions pushed up labor cost, so that part is out. If you want to support the American economy, try this;

Food service develops over 10 billion annually and employs close to 20 million people. support local. buy local. keep your money not only in your country but in your community. everyone has to eat, so eat something you believe in and "put your money where your mouth is.

I know everyone is sick of hearing about the whole organic whatever crap, but realistically Americans spend more money on food than almost any other expense, so, keep that money here. then with your clear conscience you can give biltwell your money for Taiwanese products, or K2/Ride snowboards for their Chinese products and so on...

hallkb
06-02-2010, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=DanK;66545]There are 3 ways nations build wealth: Mining/drilling, farming, and manufacturing. You must create something that did not exist before and sell it. You either dig it out of the earth, grow it, or make it. That is how 3rd world countries rise out of poverty. That's how the US went from colony to superpower in about 3 or 4 generations. The trade deficit is the measure of how much wealth is leaving the country on an annual basis. When you buy more things from other countries than you sell to them, you might get rich, but the country as a whole loses wealth. The US became a superpower by mining, farming, and manufacturing things that the world bought. That's the only benefit./QUOTE]

Exactly right. The Unions pushed up labor cost, so that part is out. If you want to support the American economy, try this;

Food service develops over 10 billion annually and employs close to 20 million people. support local. buy local. keep your money not only in your country but in your community. everyone has to eat, so eat something you believe in and "put your money where your mouth is.

I know everyone is sick of hearing about the whole organic whatever crap, but realistically Americans spend more money on food than almost any other expense, so, keep that money here. then with your clear conscience you can give biltwell your money for Taiwanese products, or K2/Ride snowboards for their Chinese products and so on...

+1 on the food.

i maybe biased. I grew up in a family that grew their own vegetables and got there meat from a local farmer friend.

also my hometown is full of Mennonites doing the more organic route and selling local. It really works for them.

ARBY
06-02-2010, 10:47 AM
Yes Biltwell is manufactured in taiwan but the company is ran by Americans

Out sourcing. We're headed for wreckage and ruin! :)

REV
06-02-2010, 10:51 AM
if i may say so, biltwel is a great company. when ive had the chance to get their parts, im impressed. unlike huge companies or even regular stores that import, everything is done "over there" and without USA standards for quality control. scratch that, without real WORKING standards. shits designed to break after X uses to hopefully keep you buying.

Biltwel takes obvious pride in their products. things are R&D'd buy guys who know their shit, know who to sell to and whats needed. quality is top notch on everything ive had (investment cast risers, keystones and 3 helmets) and it'd be a rarity if something got shipped if it wasnt up to par.

not something you can say about a lot f companies, or importers. the caring, the "give-a-shit" isnt there. just go buy something from v-twin.

Coco
06-02-2010, 11:08 AM
It would be nice if hollywood started coming up with some original ideas and stopped just remaking movies and tv shows....and fucking them up

Yes.

Dear Hollywood,

Stop ruining everything you touch.

Parrot76
06-02-2010, 11:26 AM
my Toyota isnt even made in Japan, im pissed.

Frankenfab
06-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Where are condoms made anyway?

KidArsenal
06-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Look, in the 40's and 50's people bitched about the quality from Japan. Japan got better and the price went up so people bitched about the price. Enter Korean. Korea provided lower quality than Japan but also had lower prices. Korea's quality increased along with the price, enter Taiwan. Taiwan's quality improvement and subsequent price increase begat the Chinese manufacturing empire and now even their quality is improving, provided you get in with the right suppliers.

Make your own, buy the cheapest low quality shit you can find and risk your ass, overpay for domestic parts that still might be of inferior quality, or suck it up and buy the product with the best value (read: combination of affordability and durability) regardless of country of origin. Those are your choices.

redasphalt3
06-02-2010, 12:46 PM
Blame it on Reagan!!!

redasphalt3
06-02-2010, 12:48 PM
P.S. The A-Team movie is going to be off the hook!!! If it sucks lynch me!

ScramTracker
06-02-2010, 1:02 PM
Blame it on Reagan!!!
haha...still getting blamed after all these years

Frankenfab
06-02-2010, 1:04 PM
Dude! I thought you were dead!

jwhite
06-02-2010, 1:08 PM
This Chop Cult forum is hosted from an Al Qaida cave in Afghanistan. I'm just saying what I heard as truth.

Beanhead is an Al Qaida loyalist who started this thread to get everyone preoccupied with a false sense of patriotism so while we're all bitching about these Taiwan handlebars, stash tubes for their pots and the stickers that you all can't get enough of, they're going to zap our brains through the computer and then bomb us by dropping kamikaze Taiwanese 6 year old out of WWII era Nazi aircraft to personally execute our families and whoever's left.

Fuck this anyway, man. I'm canceling my subscription and spending my time with Dragon, Ryan and the whole gang. They banned Japanese shit a long time ago. Just saying.

I'm out, nice day outside, gonna wash the wife's Daewoo Leganza (look it up) and ride up to Sonic for a half price slushie.

And how about Sean William Scott in the Dukes of Hazzard movie?

lvvato
06-02-2010, 1:36 PM
Why is this a thread?

number1son
06-02-2010, 2:10 PM
Why is this a thread?

Oh I don't know ,why are boobs good, why is grass good, why is air good.............

Sorry forgot where I was going with that one.

Frankenfab
06-02-2010, 2:27 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/Fallen187/web/loveyou.jpg

RockinRyan
06-02-2010, 2:54 PM
That is easily the funniest and also most disturbing picture I've seen in a long time......

KrOwN
06-02-2010, 3:23 PM
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-10/1236658535884.jpg

84bobber
06-02-2010, 3:51 PM
My 1978 Cougar is 100% made in the US, by Americans. 100% of the profits made when it was bought new (not by me, hahaha) stayed in this country.

Now, I dodn't read completely through this thread but cruised it.

I think the important thing to remember when buying merchandise, for me anyhow, is that I want the profits that are made, to go to Americans and stay in America. When you buy a new Ford, yeah alot of it is made elsewhere. BUT the bulk of profits is staying right here. On the other hand, when you buy a Honda, yeah, it might be assembled here, but the profits are going right back to China (or where-ever-the-hell they make those things).

The Biltwell guys make some good stuff and the best part of it is the money stays right here, in the US of A. Who gives a fuck if some Chinamen is making 5 cents an hour building it.

Man I hate to burst your bubble but your Cougar is not a 100% American. Oh it may have been put together here but alot of parts were made in Mexico or elsewhere. Plastic components, gauges, interior clips etc. There has not been a 100% American made car since before and just after World War 2

Jason

brandondubya
06-02-2010, 6:02 PM
Where are condoms made anyway?

Durex is made in Thailand.

CHEN
06-02-2010, 9:54 PM
Here's some pics of a Honda factory

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/88088955.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0F49507715ED9347C CAAA5CC30B5386107918DE72DBCA623CE30A760B0D811297

http://media.al.com/businessnews/photo/honda-year-downjpg-3af7bbef6cdf9f84_large.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01495/honda1_1495233c.jpg


...no chinese people to be found in any of these pics. "Global Economy" is the keyword here. Honda employs thousands of people all over the world, and that goes for a lot of other companies.

A company like Goya, mexican food manufacturer, has roots based in mexico but a lot of American farmers see paychecks from them too.

KrOwN
06-02-2010, 10:14 PM
great point CHEN!

SMChewy
06-02-2010, 10:21 PM
...still wanna see a Fall Guy movie....

KrOwN
06-02-2010, 10:26 PM
http://www.iluvpress-start.com/comu/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/retard.jpg

Frankenfab
06-02-2010, 11:52 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/Fallen187/web/daterape_card.jpg

REV
06-02-2010, 11:57 PM
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/dmk_132003/random/screamineaglead.jpg

Frankenfab
06-03-2010, 12:06 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/Fallen187/web/Blimpin20Aint20Easy.jpg

selectedgrub
06-03-2010, 12:34 AM
I wonder how many here would actually scorn and flame Biltwell stuff if Billdozer owner wasn't running this place.? I don't think they have to justify or explain why how and when when it says it on their packaging like mentioned.
It's not like they are trying to hide it.

ridemore16
06-03-2010, 6:24 AM
I wonder how many here would actually scorn and flame Biltwell stuff if Billdozer owner wasn't running this place.? I don't think they have to justify or explain why how and when when it says it on their packaging like mentioned.
It's not like they are trying to hide it.

I'm not sure I understand your post. The great thing about the Cult is that opinions (even on Biltwell products) are welcome. Do you have a reason to "flame" their products? I've never had an issue and I've used just about everything in their product lineup.

NHMike
06-03-2010, 6:41 AM
Man I hate to burst your bubble but your Cougar is not a 100% American. Oh it may have been put together here but alot of parts were made in Mexico or elsewhere. Plastic components, gauges, interior clips etc. There has not been a 100% American made car since before and just after World War 2

Jason


It's not a new , chic Cougar, it's a 1978. It's 100% made in the USA. Sorry to burst your bubble.

KidArsenal
06-03-2010, 10:23 AM
NHMike- I wouldn't be so bold there. Lots of parts from a '78 domestic car (Ford/Lincol?Mercury/Chevrolet- you name it) are made outside of the US, and I've got a fistful of nickels that says I'm right. 84bobber is right and not just 'cuz his name is Jason.

themaninblack
06-03-2010, 10:52 AM
I have an old UAW distributed "BUY AMERICAN" bumper sticker on the back of my cavalier just to piss sensitive pussies off.

... and I've got a hook up on them so that sticker will appear on every daily driver I have for life. Now if I could just get someone to reprint the '70s classic "Hungry? Eat your foreign car." bumper sticker.

NHMike
06-03-2010, 10:56 AM
NHMike- I wouldn't be so bold there. Lots of parts from a '78 domestic car (Ford/Lincol?Mercury/Chevrolet- you name it) are made outside of the US, and I've got a fistful of nickels that says I'm right. 84bobber is right and not just 'cuz his name is Jason.

The great thing about living in America is that we're all entitled to our opinions. I'll stick with mine that my car is 100% made in the USA.

NHMike
06-03-2010, 10:57 AM
I have an old UAW distributed "BUY AMERICAN" bumper sticker on the back of my cavalier just to piss sensitive pussies off.

... and I've got a hook up on them so that sticker will appear on every daily driver I have for life. Now if I could just get someone to reprint the '70s classic "Hungry? Eat your foreign car." bumper sticker.

No doubt, gotta get me one of those.

People need to realize that when they buy a HONDA or whatever the fuck import car they get. They might be supporting SOME Americans but not the amount if they would just pony up and buy an AMERICAN car. People like to live in thier false realities and be happy with thier assumptions.

LosDerelictos
06-03-2010, 11:49 AM
The great thing about living in America is that we're all entitled to our opinions.

And ignorance is conducive to a blissful feeling of contentment. Liberalism, everybody is a winner!!! Hurray!!!

Brandon
06-03-2010, 12:16 PM
No doubt, gotta get me one of those.

People need to realize that when they buy a HONDA or whatever the fuck import car they get. They might be supporting SOME Americans but not the amount if they would just pony up and buy an AMERICAN car. People like to live in thier false realities and be happy with thier assumptions.

Not to call you out or start any shit, but didnt you ride a jap chop before your ironhead?

jwhite
06-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Not to call you out or start any shit, but didnt you ride a jap chop before your ironhead?


A VULCAN???????

Fuck me runnin'! :-) smiles :-) and :-) sparkles :-)

NHMike
06-03-2010, 12:41 PM
Not to call you out or start any shit, but didnt you ride a jap chop before your ironhead?


Indeed I did.

And as a matter of fact I've got a KZ on the burner.

NHMike
06-03-2010, 12:43 PM
And ignorance is conducive to a blissful feeling of contentment. Liberalism, everybody is a winner!!! Hurray!!!

Um, Yeah? I guess. wow.

hanshan29
06-03-2010, 1:29 PM
No doubt, gotta get me one of those.

People need to realize that when they buy a HONDA or whatever the fuck import car they get. They might be supporting SOME Americans but not the amount if they would just pony up and buy an AMERICAN car. People like to live in thier false realities and be happy with thier assumptions.


I'd take a look and see how many of your "American" cars are built in Canada. The:
Chrysler 300,
Dodge Charger,
Dodge Challenger,
Ford Crown Victoria,
Lincoln Town Car ,
Mercury Grand Marquis
Chevrolet Impala,
Camaro
Buick Allure/LaCrosse
Dodge Caravan
Ford Edge
Lincoln MKX
Ford Flex
Chevrolet Silverado
GMC Sierra
And that's from a quick search, from CarBuyersGuide.ca. When I restored my 1950 Chevy a pile of the parts were manufactured in Canada but I bought them out of the states. Now I have part numbers for them I can find them here way cheaper.
Bottom line is that it's sad that new companies have to resort to dealing with countries with poor working conditions and labor laws in order to keep prices down and be competitive. But it's a catch-22 really. It's hard not to buy imported products because the average person can;t afford to buy alot of the things that are considered "must have" items if they're manufactured in the U.S.A or Canada because the labor and healthcare costs are so high. Labor costs are high because people's expectation of the quality of their life keeps going up. Inflated insurance claims and ridiculous lawsuits account for alot of the rest of it. Of course Republicrats and well...we don't have any neat nicknames to lump the guys up here together but rest assured it's the same thing. It's all about the next election now and votes and who gets in, not about helping anybody. they just pander to whoever whines the loudest and pat us on the head and tell us to go about our business. Liberal and conservative really has nothing to do with it, they're just labels for two sides of the same coin. Labels to give us something to argue about and keep us divided rather than supporting each other and actually discussing instead of hating. The easiest and cheapest route to take is blaming the other guy for everything. We're all to blame for the state we're in. Not just governments and corporations, but all the people that were to apathetic or lazy or comfortable or whatever to stand up and do something about htis when it began. We all have a responsibility to stay informed and try to make the best decision for ourselves and our families. And maybe that's by trying to split our spending between foreign and domestic products carefully and thoughtfully. Go for companies that insist on proper quality their products and working conditions for they're employees. Hold them accountable and they have no choice but to improve. But, saying that, I'm quite impressed that this thread turned into a discussion rather than a useless flame session. Cool. And I'd buy Biltwell stuff any time. Good quality and honest about they're business model. What else can you ask? Very sorry for the huge post, but it's hard not to do it with a topic like this.

erikweste
06-03-2010, 1:32 PM
... But it's a catch-22 really. It's hard not to buy imported products because the average person can;t afford to buy alot of the things that are considered "must have" items if they're manufactured in the U.S.A or Canada because the labor and healthcare costs are so high. Labor costs are high because people's expectation of the quality of their life keeps going up. Inflated insurance claims and ridiculous lawsuits account for alot of the rest of it. Of course Republicrats and well...we don't have any neat nicknames to lump the guys up here together but rest assured it's the same thing. It's all about the next election now and votes and who gets in, not about helping anybody. they just pander to whoever whines the loudest and pat us on the head and tell us to go about our business. Liberal and conservative really has nothing to do with it, they're just labels for two sides of the same coin. Labels to give us something to argue about and keep us divided rather than supporting each other and actually discussing instead of hating. The easiest and cheapest route to take is blaming the other guy for everything. We're all to blame for the state we're in. Not just governments and corporations, but all the people that were to apathetic or lazy or comfortable or whatever to stand up and do something about htis when it began. We all have a responsibility to stay informed and try to make the best decision for ourselves and our families. And maybe that's by trying to split our spending between foreign and domestic products carefully and thoughtfully. Go for companies that insist on proper quality their products and working conditions for they're employees. Hold them accountable and they have no choice but to improve. But, saying that, I'm quite impressed that this thread turned into a discussion rather than a useless flame session. Cool. And I'd buy Biltwell stuff any time. Good quality and honest about they're business model. What else can you ask? Very sorry for the huge post, but it's hard not to do it with a topic like this.

well put.

LosDerelictos
06-03-2010, 1:47 PM
well put.

You mean you read it all??? I took one look and gave up. This subject is being beaten to death.

NHMike
06-03-2010, 1:55 PM
I'd take a look and see how many of your "American" cars are built in Canada. The:
Chrysler 300,
Dodge Charger,
Dodge Challenger,
Ford Crown Victoria,
Lincoln Town Car ,
Mercury Grand Marquis
Chevrolet Impala,
Camaro
Buick Allure/LaCrosse
Dodge Caravan
Ford Edge
Lincoln MKX
Ford Flex
Chevrolet Silverado
GMC Sierra
And that's from a quick search, from CarBuyersGuide.ca. When I restored my 1950 Chevy a pile of the parts were manufactured in Canada but I bought them out of the states. Now I have part numbers for them I can find them here way cheaper.
Bottom line is that it's sad that new companies have to resort to dealing with countries with poor working conditions and labor laws in order to keep prices down and be competitive. But it's a catch-22 really. It's hard not to buy imported products because the average person can;t afford to buy alot of the things that are considered "must have" items if they're manufactured in the U.S.A or Canada because the labor and healthcare costs are so high. Labor costs are high because people's expectation of the quality of their life keeps going up. Inflated insurance claims and ridiculous lawsuits account for alot of the rest of it. Of course Republicrats and well...we don't have any neat nicknames to lump the guys up here together but rest assured it's the same thing. It's all about the next election now and votes and who gets in, not about helping anybody. they just pander to whoever whines the loudest and pat us on the head and tell us to go about our business. Liberal and conservative really has nothing to do with it, they're just labels for two sides of the same coin. Labels to give us something to argue about and keep us divided rather than supporting each other and actually discussing instead of hating. The easiest and cheapest route to take is blaming the other guy for everything. We're all to blame for the state we're in. Not just governments and corporations, but all the people that were to apathetic or lazy or comfortable or whatever to stand up and do something about htis when it began. We all have a responsibility to stay informed and try to make the best decision for ourselves and our families. And maybe that's by trying to split our spending between foreign and domestic products carefully and thoughtfully. Go for companies that insist on proper quality their products and working conditions for they're employees. Hold them accountable and they have no choice but to improve. But, saying that, I'm quite impressed that this thread turned into a discussion rather than a useless flame session. Cool. And I'd buy Biltwell stuff any time. Good quality and honest about they're business model. What else can you ask? Very sorry for the huge post, but it's hard not to do it with a topic like this.

I'm not talking new cars.

No DOUBT alot of them, if not ALL are made elsewhere. My point, however, was that if you buy a foreign car the profits go overseas. Buying American ensures American jobs and it keeps the money here. I think it sucks that greed has forced companies to have things made overseas to make a buck off of cheap labor.

And DAMN you can typoe. My fingers would have been killing!! hahahaha

hanshan29
06-03-2010, 2:20 PM
I'm not talking new cars.

No DOUBT alot of them, if not ALL are made elsewhere. My point, however, was that if you buy a foreign car the profits go overseas. Buying American ensures American jobs and it keeps the money here. I think it sucks that greed has forced companies to have things made overseas to make a buck off of cheap labor.

And DAMN you can typoe. My fingers would have been killing!! hahahaha

The worst is I typed it all with two fingers and my thumbs.lol It's the problem with unemployment and a rainy day, i have way too much time right now. I have to disagree with your last statement but I'm not going to rehash what was already too long a post. Have a good one dude.
And I appreciate any comments or corrections, I'm just a bored newbie trying to contribute.lol

hugodv01
06-03-2010, 2:32 PM
Now a days everything is manufactured overseas.

Cloths, shoes, lighbulbs, computers, cell phones.

Not even my favorite stripper was made in America.

NoeyesDen
06-03-2010, 3:21 PM
My wifes mexican, she drys her hair with a leaf blower.

Allen
06-03-2010, 4:15 PM
Not even my favorite stripper was made in America.

And that right there is it ladies and gentlemen.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1287/4667010553_89d385206b_o.jpg

BGRYN
06-03-2010, 5:29 PM
What is this?

beanhead78
06-03-2010, 8:45 PM
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StoneHead
06-03-2010, 8:50 PM
Dunno why, but this had to be posted.


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BGRYN
06-03-2010, 8:52 PM
Airwolf was made in Taiwan.

beanhead78
06-03-2010, 8:53 PM
my theme song. havent heard that shit in years.

DeathMarch
06-03-2010, 9:15 PM
youd be amazed what kind of beed those 8 yr old taiwanees girls can lay down. that was a joke i kid i kid

I had to get back up in my chair, after falling out of it, reading this.......

TemeculaTerry
06-03-2010, 9:47 PM
F U U UU U U UU UUU U C K !

12 pages - 12 pages...

Markee
06-04-2010, 1:42 PM
my theme song. havent heard that shit in years.

The casio is smoking

justinspace
06-04-2010, 2:58 PM
I don't ask my pot dealer where the weed is grown, I just want to smoke the shit.


i know where mine is grow. shame on you..

primer
06-04-2010, 6:09 PM
Now a days everything is manufactured overseas.

Cloths, shoes, lighbulbs, computers, cell phones.

Not even my favorite stripper was made in America.

mine either,she was made in Canada,great product,they should export more

primer
06-04-2010, 6:17 PM
This also,beanhead,brother,what the fuck is it with you ?You have a gift for starting some
wild ass threads,surely your headed for the Chop Cult hall of fame.Keep em coming dude.

reverendpk9
06-04-2010, 7:35 PM
My parents neighbor is a highschool dropout who if brains were dynamite couldn't blow his fucking nose. He works for anheiser bush at the local plant ,he makes sure that the bottles have caps on them. He makes 23 bucks an hour has a months paid vacation full medical and all paid hollidays. Tripple overtime if he chooses to work. Now his union tells him he needs more and A&B is screwing him so he should hold out. I blame unions for my not buying American. Unions had their place durring the industrial revolution, and everyone is entitled to the persuit of happiness, but to make double what a college educator makes to perform a job a monkey could do is a little over the top.

hugodv01
06-04-2010, 8:10 PM
My parents neighbor is a highschool dropout who if brains were dynamite couldn't blow his fucking nose. He works for anheiser bush at the local plant ,he makes sure that the bottles have caps on them. He makes 23 bucks an hour has a months paid vacation full medical and all paid hollidays. Tripple overtime if he chooses to work. Now his union tells him he needs more and A&B is screwing him so he should hold out. I blame unions for my not buying American. Unions had their place durring the industrial revolution, and everyone is entitled to the persuit of happiness, but to make double what a college educator makes to perform a job a monkey could do is a little over the top.

I 80% agree with you.

BGRYN
06-04-2010, 9:17 PM
My parents neighbor is a highschool dropout who if brains were dynamite couldn't blow his fucking nose. He works for anheiser bush at the local plant ,he makes sure that the bottles have caps on them. He makes 23 bucks an hour has a months paid vacation full medical and all paid hollidays. Tripple overtime if he chooses to work. Now his union tells him he needs more and A&B is screwing him so he should hold out. I blame unions for my not buying American. Unions had their place durring the industrial revolution, and everyone is entitled to the persuit of happiness, but to make double what a college educator makes to perform a job a monkey could do is a little over the top.

Easy on the Unions homie.

reverendpk9
06-04-2010, 9:44 PM
Used to be in one just paid a lot of dues so that someone less qualified for the job could get what would be my promotion because he had been there a few weeks more than me. I agree there is a need for unions, they do some good when it comes to workers rights. But at the same time it really does not warant 6 figures to check the hood clearance on a new car. I know there are a few union guys here, and I mean no harm. Look at your own union and ask yourself if the custodian wasn't making better than a teacher's wage, would the company you work for have a reason to go over seas for labor.

Gardener1
06-08-2010, 10:56 PM
Yeah... Asian chicks are hot!

EnglandStGarage
06-10-2010, 4:51 PM
Yeah... Asian chicks are hot!


especially ones that can weld...and work a lathe...at the same time...for sixteen hours.

REV
06-10-2010, 5:14 PM
hells yeah. especially pierced ones...

jason43
06-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Half of you guys sound like a bunch of hippies. This idealism about what 'America' needs to do to get back on track. Fuck that, you do what you have to do to get by and take care of your friends and family and have a good time doing it. Thats what its about. This country is just a place where a lot of individuals live, the whole flag country pride thing is just a bunch of horseshit. And yeah, I'm a ex-military too so I'm not some commie liberal. When the individuals do well, either by importing high quality parts from Taiwan or laying killer paint jobs, or fabing their own parts or whatever you are good at, thats when 'America' prospers because the individuals are set free to gain the fruits of their efforts.

Stop electing these corporate whore politicians and start throwing a fit when the gov't oversteps its bounds, and this country will be better because the individuals will have the boot off their necks and actually be able to succeed without OSHA, trade unions, the EPA, high taxes, etc etc kicking them in the ass and being protected by the duopoly rule (Repubs and Dems) when they are trying to come up and make something of themselves...

This is the reverse argument to "the Japs buy all the good stuff" and all that BS. Guess what? They pay for it at market price, and my kids need food, so I'm happy to send it along.

superflysnow
06-12-2010, 11:57 PM
Half of you guys sound like a bunch of hippies. This idealism about what 'America' needs to do to get back on track. Fuck that, you do what you have to do to get by and take care of your friends and family and have a good time doing it. Thats what its about. This country is just a place where a lot of individuals live, the whole flag country pride thing is just a bunch of horseshit. And yeah, I'm a ex-military too so I'm not some commie liberal. When the individuals do well, either by importing high quality parts from Taiwan or laying killer paint jobs, or fabing their own parts or whatever you are good at, thats when 'America' prospers because the individuals are set free to gain the fruits of their efforts.

Stop electing these corporate whore politicians and start throwing a fit when the gov't oversteps its bounds, and this country will be better because the individuals will have the boot off their necks and actually be able to succeed without OSHA, trade unions, the EPA, high taxes, etc etc kicking them in the ass and being protected by the duopoly rule (Repubs and Dems) when they are trying to come up and make something of themselves...

This is the reverse argument to "the Japs buy all the good stuff" and all that BS. Guess what? They pay for it at market price, and my kids need food, so I'm happy to send it along.


coming from a "liberal hippy", well said and amen!

me
06-13-2010, 7:28 AM
are the chopcult stickers and shirts made overseas??

primer
06-13-2010, 9:29 AM
coming from a "liberal hippy", well said and amen!
This country is a fuckin' mess and likely to be that way for a period of time,
do what ya gotta do to keep the lights on and deal with it.Sure we can make
a change and swap one set of lying money grubbing whores for another
and what'll happen,nothing.The guy's at Biltwell did what they had to do
and if I needed a lid I'd buy one of their's.Aw fuck I'm gonna stop this rant
and go get on my shovel,go take some of those non-American parts for
a ride.Have a good what's left of your weekend boy's.My.02

66triumph
06-13-2010, 11:29 AM
Easy on the Unions homie.

you don't see something wrong with the scenario he posted? I know unions were made to "govern" and help with workers rights, but seems to me most have gotten real greedy. so now we pay union workers astronomical wages to put 6 lug nuts on a new Tahoe (X4 WHEELS), and wonder why the fuck it costs 45k to buy a vehicle that obviously isn't worth much over 20k. Definitely something wrong with this picture... I work at a body shop, one of my co-workers said all the body men should start some sort of a union. you cant make me believe that if something like that were to ever materialize, repair cost would go right on up, along with our salary/pay rates, which the insurance Co's would pass right on along to all you premium paying consumers. it's really no different.

-A.

jason43
06-13-2010, 11:40 AM
Union businesses like the American auto makers are also paying 50% of their wages to retirees who got sweet union backed retirement deals back when things were good. Work 30 years and collect your wage for another 30 afterwards. No business can sustain that business model, as you can see from their current trouble. Its nothing against the union guys personally, and if things were booming, it wouldn't be an issue, but they arent booming anymore. Combine that with poor management and design since the late 70's when the oil crisis and the emissions standards went on the cars and you have a sinking ship with a big ass anchor pulling it down.

spoolen
06-14-2010, 12:30 PM
I wiseman once said:

<b> Fuck Chinese motorcycle parts</b>, Fuck Chinese toxic toys, Fuck Chinese Car Parts, Fuck Chinese poisonous dog food, Fuck Chinese toothpaste, Fuck Chinese tools, Fuck Chinese condoms, Fuck Chinese drivers, Fuck Chinese sheet rock, Fuck Chinese whores, Fuck Chinese Sushi Chef's, Fuck Chinese tires, Fuck Chinese pocket knives, Fuck Chinese Politics, and Fuck Chinese Fucken Shit!!

http://img.banjig.net/d/bb/user_uploads/361051/fuck_china_560ff927.jpg

Poppy
06-14-2010, 12:44 PM
There's a number of things going on here.
1) Taiwan is not China
2) I believe that quality counts and some of the stuff being sold as American is shit
3 I think we need to renew our manufacturing base and go back to teaching the trades in school. College can be a waste of time and money for some people.

BGRYN
06-14-2010, 1:21 PM
Just buy the Biltwell shit and ride your fuckin motorbike!!!!!!!!!!!

BGRYN
06-14-2010, 1:27 PM
you don't see something wrong with the scenario he posted? I know unions were made to "govern" and help with workers rights, but seems to me most have gotten real greedy. so now we pay union workers astronomical wages to put 6 lug nuts on a new Tahoe (X4 WHEELS), and wonder why the fuck it costs 45k to buy a vehicle that obviously isn't worth much over 20k. Definitely something wrong with this picture... I work at a body shop, one of my co-workers said all the body men should start some sort of a union. you cant make me believe that if something like that were to ever materialize, repair cost would go right on up, along with our salary/pay rates, which the insurance Co's would pass right on along to all you premium paying consumers. it's really no different.

-A.

So you want everybody to make a living on 20k a year so you can afford shit, think again. This thread is gay.

Tikipunx
06-14-2010, 1:39 PM
There's a number of things going on here.
1) Taiwan is not China
2) I believe that quality counts and some of the stuff being sold as American is shit
3 I think we need to renew our manufacturing base and go back to teaching the trades in school. College can be a waste of time and money for some people.

Speaking of going back to teaching the art of the trades, my wife picked up this great book for me. It's call Shop Class as Soulcraft. I won't get into details...I know I hate reading things twice. To put it in simply, it's an inquiry into the value of work through the words of a vintage motorcycle mechaninc with a Ph.D. It's really inspiring!!!! Here's a link:http://www.slate.com/id/2218650/pagenum/all/


Enjoy!

spoolen
06-14-2010, 3:44 PM
There's a number of things going on here.
1) Taiwan is not China
2) I believe that quality counts and some of the stuff being sold as American is shit
3 I think we need to renew our manufacturing base and go back to teaching the trades in school. College can be a waste of time and money for some people.

Your right it's actually "The Republic of China" and not Taiwan.. either way they are ALL volume/cash driven period. I will ALWAYS do my best to support a US based fabricator/builder/mechanic to include local MC shops. Even if I gotta save a little more and wait a little longer for my part / service. Seems like the fricken McDonald's attitude is going to be the downfall of my amazing country, everybody wants everything right this second and for as cheap as they can get it, that's led to the explosion of offshoreing everything.

There is something amazing and irreplaceable about a part you put on your scooter that has a soul that you can see, feel, and touch the pride of craft and hard work that went into it, or the miles that it has under it. You will never get that on fucking piece of formed tin that was built by hands or machines that don't give a fuck just want the day to be over and to pick up there paycheck!

"Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction and skillful execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives." (William A. Foster)

primer
06-14-2010, 7:08 PM
So you want everybody to make a living on 20k a year so you can afford shit, think again. This thread is gay.
to quote Temecula Terry,Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck 14 pages,14 pages

Fuck man,I just heard Triumph's are made in England,not that I
give a flyin' fuck cause I'm into Harleys,but I jus heard that there
really made in Jamotherfuckinpan,I'm gonna call my congressman
and demand this shit come to a halt,think it'll work,huh,do ya?

L7Josh
06-14-2010, 10:09 PM
This has gone on long enough if you want to discuss this further were not going to clutter up the main page with it.

66triumph
06-14-2010, 10:11 PM
So you want everybody to make a living on 20k a year so you can afford shit, think again. This thread is gay.

yep, thats exactly what I said... wtf... your obviously a union man, and I wasn't trying to step on your toes, but don't get all bent when someone else has an opinion other than yours.

-A.

P.S., I don't have a problem affording a damn thing. people always wreck shit, and want it fixed. it pays like a motherfucker too. union not required.

jason43
06-15-2010, 7:54 AM
There is always a way to get paid, you just have to have a skill for doing something that others, and be willing to work your ass off. No one ever got rich making a wage from someone else, all you're doing is getting a little cut of the real money, union or not... unless you are an executive....

Fredo
06-15-2010, 8:15 AM
Well now this fucked up thread is in the JUNK PILE where it belongs.

GO FUCKIN RIDE ALREADY.

edward
06-16-2010, 6:04 AM
I can make up any handlebar that Biltwell sells right here in the good old USA for just 2x their cost before paint and chrome. 3x the cost with paint or chrome. I lose money on every pair and you wait 2 months for them. The quality is the same. Who's bars are you gonna buy?

The Biltwell guys are demanding a great product from their suppliers and stand behind every product they sell. There is a lot of cheap shit bike parts out there but Biltwell is not one of them. Hell, some of that shit IS made here and it sucks.

And let's not forget all the great events these guys bring to us and all the events they kick gear to as sponsors of damn near every decent bike event in the country.

what she said :)

fozz
06-16-2010, 11:55 PM
I dont live in the u s of a , never bought a biltwell product , infact never seen a biltwell product in my life . but i ride a harley . is that built in taiwan ?????

nick5
06-17-2010, 4:18 AM
I dont live in the u s of a , never bought a biltwell product , infact never seen a biltwell product in my life . but i ride a harley . is that built in taiwan ?????



yes

spoolen
06-17-2010, 8:07 AM
To me this is NOTHING to do with the quality of biltwell products as they are good pieces, the reason for that is they have higher production standards than most crap that comes of the little island and that fat check they SEND to said Island to support their economy. It pains me to watch our rich history being eaten away by lazy, self serving motherfuckers..

To me it has EVERYTHING to with doing what I can do try and preserve one of the last forms for American pride of Craftmenship out there (Motorcycle/Hot Rods) these fucked up companies and those that support them do nothing but steal designs, and money from the REAL inventors/craftsmen forcing these men and woman out of business by sending manufacturing overseas for cheap labor cause most of you all want to save a buck. So now there is no way in hell the guy that came up with the design can compete.....thus we lose what makes our hobby so fucking cool.

Just sad that many of you don't give a fuck that pretty soon you'll buying your fucking shit ass motorcycle parts at Walmart, and true Craftsmen and pioneers of our industry will be a thing of the past. I have known so many amazing builders that just can't compete with mass production and cant pay the bills and provide for their families so we have lost them forever...

LRChops
06-21-2010, 12:47 AM
The biltwell items that I have had customers bring in for install - seats and seat brackets- are of exceptional quality in comparison to other shit I see.... Made in the US or not.

YOUR FORD IS MADE 99% OVER SEAS.


Live in the fucking now dude.

All the other shit you see is made in China or Taiwan. It is nice to use 100% U.S.A. made parts! There is a lot to be said for supporting small American farbricators and small American shops rather than send our cash overseas. Why empower other countries who are dictatorship or socialist? Live in fucking reality dude!

scouperacer
06-30-2013, 12:21 AM
I just bought a pair of Biltwell H-bars and found out on the tag that they are made in Taiwan. I was very disappointed. I thought I was buying an American product made in America. They should most definitely disclose that their products are made in Taiwan in their parts description. This is the first an last Biltwell product I will ever buy.

Grantman
06-30-2013, 1:11 AM
I just bought a pair of Biltwell H-bars and found out on the tag that they are made in Taiwan. I was very disappointed. I thought I was buying an American product made in America. They should most definitely disclose that their products are made in Taiwan in their parts description. This is the first an last Biltwell product I will ever buy.

There are a shitload of American fabricators, hell a LOT of them sell their stuff on CC. Just look in the classifieds!

Arisaka
06-30-2013, 12:02 PM
Taiwan is the good stuff, China is the crap. Yes I know that Taiwan is part of China, but they are much more capitalist and run their own shit. I like scooters as well as motorcycles, and all the kick ass scooter parts are from Taiwan. My 80 year old machinist also digs Taiwanese pistons. Good alloys tight specs. If these unions would chill out you might get some good stuff at an affordable price thats made in America. Why do Volkswagen, Kia, Mercedes Benz, etc. have plants in the south, while American manufacturers are building cars in Mexico and China? Because VW and Kia dont have union shops here. American automakers got fucked over on the deal and have to move their shit to foreign countries so that non union people can build them at a reasonable price.

bwesky
06-30-2013, 12:29 PM
What the fucks the big deal? Everything anymore is made overseas. Biltwell supporter and customer here and idgaf where its made.

sent from my galaxy s3 via tapatalk

JMFNC
06-30-2013, 1:03 PM
Taiwan is the good stuff, China is the crap. Yes I know that Taiwan is part of China, but they are much more capitalist and run their own shit. I like scooters as well as motorcycles, and all the kick ass scooter parts are from Taiwan. My 80 year old machinist also digs Taiwanese pistons. Good alloys tight specs. If these unions would chill out you might get some good stuff at an affordable price thats made in America. Why do Volkswagen, Kia, Mercedes Benz, etc. have plants in the south, while American manufacturers are building cars in Mexico and China? Because VW and Kia dont have union shops here. American automakers got fucked over on the deal and have to move their shit to foreign countries so that non union people can build them at a reasonable price.

In order to sell cars here, there's a minimum percentage that has to be built here so don't get too excited about how much smarter those foreign manufacturers are

kresentwrench
06-30-2013, 2:50 PM
I didn't know that. that's really disappointing

good thing there's a lot of sources for American-made bars at around the same price. I guess the extra profit from getting them made overseas is worth losing the customers that care

Fozzy
06-30-2013, 4:08 PM
My Biltwell Taiwani bars have some good welds on them and are sweet and they support a lot of cool shit. I'll support them.

MadRiverMotorCo
06-30-2013, 4:59 PM
Dumbest tucking thread ever...

Seriously...

Are you people that fucking stupid?

Dictatorships or socialist?
Yes everywhere outside the US hates freedom...

Biltwell makes high quality parts in a supply chain they know from years of doing business overseas...
If you think they're selling low quality parts, take pics and show the lack of quality, otherwise shut the fuck up and figure out a way to compete...

YOURADHERE
06-30-2013, 5:04 PM
Nice bump on a 3 year old thread

choadpanther
06-30-2013, 5:49 PM
Completely useless fucking thread that's unfortunately been bumped up. I fully support Biltwell, have purchased some of their products, total quality and class company. I will continue to support them.

13clicks
06-30-2013, 7:10 PM
How many people here drink Budweiser... It's owned by STELLA.... Yes we sold out our own merican beer to some euros... At least they make great beer.

pTc
06-30-2013, 8:51 PM
How many people here drink Budweiser... It's owned by STELLA.... Yes we sold out our own merican beer to some euros... At least they make great beer.

I thought they were both owned by InBev, or some name like that.

13clicks
06-30-2013, 9:00 PM
I thought they were both owned by InBev, or some name like that.

You are correct but i was just making a point... Same thing... Belgian/Brazilian company.

Hooligan80
07-01-2013, 12:22 AM
Way to bring up a dead thread started 3 years ago, and the last post before being resurrected was 2 years ago.

BingTheBarber
07-01-2013, 3:30 PM
Its alive!!!!!!!!! Its aliiiiivvvvveeee!!!!!!

Jetblack
07-01-2013, 3:51 PM
Biltwell has never claimed to be made in the USA, reviving a dead thread to show you're good at making bad assumptions and bad at research... if made in the USA really matters to you that much is all your accomplishing.

Feeling the need to slam a company, that puts quality and you the customer first and does a shit ton for the diy builder community... yeah that's you and me, because of your own assumptions and lack of research is pretty lame my friend.

doubt you have a issue with the quality of the bars or service they rendered you. If you do then everyone knows the folks at Biltwell will make shit right... even if it is your fault. Not many at all anywhere will do this USA made or not.

I stand behind Biltwell because I know from experience; Biltwell will stand behind me... it's the ethic not the manufacturing location.

Perhaps reading through the whole thread before just adding to it; would have helped you understand this?

Upnrunning
07-01-2013, 4:17 PM
Interesting read. As a dude that's manufactured parts myself, from pattern to machining to sales, I would like to make one point that I didn't see made. I get there is less manufacturing here because its cheaper elsewhere. But with that there is also far less talent here anymore in the manufacturing biz. I went thru plenty of machine shops and eventually gave up. The financial loss to the blue collar worker is one thing but the loss of skilled american laborers is a whole other and equal downside. If nothing is made here there is no reason for craftsman here. Which is scary.

CRFyou
07-01-2013, 4:51 PM
.... as we all type this shit from Internet capable devices made from various Asian countries. And often brag about our own diverse lineage and what countries our ancestors hail from...


I used a solvent on biltwell grips once. It destroyed them. I emailed Bill and he asked about the brand and tested various solvents in grips to try and replicate it. All the while mailing me immediately another couple sets of grips for my troubles. This story isn't unique, these guys are rock and roll and take care of everyone this way, while supporting this chopper scene with sponsorships and events.

Sometimes we just have to realize politicians killed our manufacturing industry 70 years ago and Biltwell does the best with our current socio-economic situation.

It's price and terms, guys. You can't dictate both. If broke ass chopper guys could afford made in the USA everything, biltwell would likely make everything here. You don't want to pay $200 for custom bars so they provide quality stuff that's affordable, it's just made elsewhere.

Anyone that accidentally eavesdropped on a business 101 class might understand things a bit more.

Capino
07-01-2013, 5:33 PM
I try to buy shit made in the USA or Europe but
I actually like Taiwan, they are a thousand times better than China. China Hates Taiwan!!!
But Taiwan has the ROC Marines and you dont fuck with them.
I try my best not to buy anything made in China .

Fozzy
07-01-2013, 6:28 PM
The fact that the guys from Biltwell never locked or deleted this thread speaks volumes about them too. They know their customers will have their backs and they know they have given us ample reasons to.



(A free shirt would help me ignore the Biltwell dick taste in my mouth, just sayin')

kresentwrench
07-01-2013, 7:10 PM
They make a good product, no doubt. Actually the only thing I've had an issue with was my vest. Snap button pulled out. It's made in the USA:(

They seem like good motherfuckers, and their parts are top notch. That's why it bums me out cause I really try hard to keep my money here... but I won't condemn or preach about it. Do what you want.


on the other hand, fuck taiwan in the neck

MIKE47
07-01-2013, 7:40 PM
Oh christ again?I really wish someone would have killed this off or at least closed it.

You like your affordable/do-it-yourself/low key/grass roots chopper thing? Thank Biltwell.

You like going to FREE events like EDR, The Gypsy Run, etc? Thank Biltwell.

You like the over crowded streets of Daytona or Sturgis? Thank Arlen Ness and the Tuttles.

The guys at Biltwell are the reason we don't have to go those shit holes anymore. They get credit from me for getting all these events kicked off and starting a whole new movement of riders getting back to riding instead of parking in black top lots with $75K bikes that suck. They have also supported about every event anyone on this site has ever started or goes to and they continue to do so to this day. They also are the ones that gave us the ChopCult board! They are the reason there's a ton of Indy fab shops out there making cool stuff-here in the USA and abroad that are supplying you with those parts. That company and those owners have done business overseas for years. They have weeded out the shit factories and found a way to bring you affordable top quality parts for you to use on you freedom machine. And don't go calling it all in the name of profit. Biltwell Inc. employees a bunch of guess what? That's right American employees. There are no less than a dozen people that make a honest living from working at that company and they all live here in the USA. How would one know that? I asked. And I was introduced to some of them and I got a lesson in global economy myself. They give people a chance to have a hand in this thing and encourage them to ride and to spread the gospel of being good to other people. I have known the Biltwell guys for a few years now and I have never met nicer more genuine people than them. They will literally give you the shirts off their backs or their last beer without hesitation. I have never seen any company or individual stand behind their product like they do. They returned a seat for one of my customers because he didn't like the way it fit once. It didn't fit cause it was an XS650 and a big twin seat! They still returned it-even though the sizes were clearly shown on the website when the guy bought it. Who the hell would do that? Nobody-except Biltwell. I have seen or heard countless stories like that, some are downright unreal but they are true.

Now let's close this thread and get back to the cool end of this shit. Build on and ride like the wind bitches. :cheersmate:

poser
07-01-2013, 7:56 PM
half the shit that is made in America is made by people that dont speak english anyway.

MIKE47
07-01-2013, 8:33 PM
half the shit that is made in america is made by people that dont speak english anyway.

haha

Jesse13
07-01-2013, 9:09 PM
Oh christ again?I really wish someone would have killed this off or at least closed it.

You like your affordable/do-it-yourself/low key/grass roots chopper thing? Thank Biltwell.

You like going to FREE events like EDR, The Gypsy Run, etc? Thank Biltwell.

You like the over crowded streets of Daytona or Sturgis? Thank Arlen Ness and the Tuttles.

The guys at Biltwell are the reason we don't have to go those shit holes anymore. They get credit from me for getting all these events kicked off and starting a whole new movement of riders getting back to riding instead of parking in black top lots with $75K bikes that suck. They have also supported about every event anyone on this site has ever started or goes to and they continue to do so to this day. They also are the ones that gave us the ChopCult board! They are the reason there's a ton of Indy fab shops out there making cool stuff-here in the USA and abroad that are supplying you with those parts. That company and those owners have done business overseas for years. They have weeded out the shit factories and found a way to bring you affordable top quality parts for you to use on you freedom machine. And don't go calling it all in the name of profit. Biltwell Inc. employees a bunch of guess what? That's right American employees. There are no less than a dozen people that make a honest living from working at that company and they all live here in the USA. How would one know that? I asked. And I was introduced to some of them and I got a lesson in global economy myself. They give people a chance to have a hand in this thing and encourage them to ride and to spread the gospel of being good to other people. I have known the Biltwell guys for a few years now and I have never met nicer more genuine people than them. They will literally give you the shirts off their backs or their last beer without hesitation. I have never seen any company or individual stand behind their product like they do. They returned a seat for one of my customers because he didn't like the way it fit once. It didn't fit cause it was an XS650 and a big twin seat! They still returned it-even though the sizes were clearly shown on the website when the guy bought it. Who the hell would do that? Nobody-except Biltwell. I have seen or heard countless stories like that, some are downright unreal but they are true.

Now let's close this thread and get back to the cool end of this shit. Build on and ride like the wind bitches. :cheersmate:

:clap for you::clap for you::clap for you:

MadRiverMotorCo
07-01-2013, 9:37 PM
Oh christ again?I really wish someone would have killed this off or at least closed it.

You like your affordable/do-it-yourself/low key/grass roots chopper thing? Thank Biltwell.

You like going to FREE events like EDR, The Gypsy Run, etc? Thank Biltwell.

You like the over crowded streets of Daytona or Sturgis? Thank Arlen Ness and the Tuttles.

The guys at Biltwell are the reason we don't have to go those shit holes anymore. They get credit from me for getting all these events kicked off and starting a whole new movement of riders getting back to riding instead of parking in black top lots with $75K bikes that suck. They have also supported about every event anyone on this site has ever started or goes to and they continue to do so to this day. They also are the ones that gave us the ChopCult board! They are the reason there's a ton of Indy fab shops out there making cool stuff-here in the USA and abroad that are supplying you with those parts. That company and those owners have done business overseas for years. They have weeded out the shit factories and found a way to bring you affordable top quality parts for you to use on you freedom machine. And don't go calling it all in the name of profit. Biltwell Inc. employees a bunch of guess what? That's right American employees. There are no less than a dozen people that make a honest living from working at that company and they all live here in the USA. How would one know that? I asked. And I was introduced to some of them and I got a lesson in global economy myself. They give people a chance to have a hand in this thing and encourage them to ride and to spread the gospel of being good to other people. I have known the Biltwell guys for a few years now and I have never met nicer more genuine people than them. They will literally give you the shirts off their backs or their last beer without hesitation. I have never seen any company or individual stand behind their product like they do. They returned a seat for one of my customers because he didn't like the way it fit once. It didn't fit cause it was an XS650 and a big twin seat! They still returned it-even though the sizes were clearly shown on the website when the guy bought it. Who the hell would do that? Nobody-except Biltwell. I have seen or heard countless stories like that, some are downright unreal but they are true.

Now let's close this thread and get back to the cool end of this shit. Build on and ride like the wind bitches. :cheersmate:


Bravo

Capino
07-02-2013, 2:57 AM
They make a good product, no doubt. Actually the only thing I've had an issue with was my vest. Snap button pulled out. It's made in the USA:(

They seem like good motherfuckers, and their parts are top notch. That's why it bums me out cause I really try hard to keep my money here... but I won't condemn or preach about it. Do what you want.


on the other hand, fuck taiwan in the neck

Taiwan is not China, I hate everybody but I can tell you for the most part they are good people. If I have to spend my money for a Non-USA or European made item , I would rather my money go to Taiwan than any other country.

Capino
07-02-2013, 2:58 AM
half the shit that is made in America is made by people that dont speak english anyway.

Half you motherfuckers on here can't speak fucking English anyway, bunch of overbite lazy eyed MOFO's

Hooligan80
07-02-2013, 4:01 AM
Taiwan is not China, I hate everybody but I can tell you for the most part they are good people. If I have to spend my money for a Non-USA or European made item , I would rather my money go to Taiwan than any other country.

You need to brush up on your geographical history
"Taiwan, officially the Republic of China, is a state in East Asia. Originally based in mainland China, the Republic of China now governs the island of Taiwan."

Their official languages are Mandarin Chinese (official), Taiwanese, Hakka. So yes, Taiwan is Chinese, considering many of the residents are Han-Chinese and they are governed by the ROC.

Hooligan80
07-02-2013, 4:02 AM
half the shit that is made in America is made by people that dont speak english anyway.

Truth

MadRiverMotorCo
07-02-2013, 4:41 AM
You need to brush up on your geographical history
"Taiwan, officially the Republic of China, is a state in East Asia. Originally based in mainland China, the Republic of China now governs the island of Taiwan."

Their official languages are Mandarin Chinese (official), Taiwanese, Hakka. So yes, Taiwan is Chinese, considering many of the residents are Han-Chinese and they are governed by the ROC.

Woah

Methinks he meant the Island of Formosa isn't communist china...

Hooligan80
07-02-2013, 4:53 AM
Woah

Methinks he meant the Island of Formosa isn't communist china...

They are Nationalist

MadRiverMotorCo
07-02-2013, 6:34 AM
They are Nationalist

and the first constitutional republic in Asia...

Hooligan80
07-02-2013, 7:15 AM
and the first constitutional republic in Asia...

Actually, there government is very confused and split up.

MadRiverMotorCo
07-02-2013, 8:41 AM
Actually, there government is very confused and split up.

Taiwan is not kissing cousins!

If you want to have a long discussion about the rebirth of Ma Ying-jeou or the corruption trials and political ostracisation of Chen Shui-bian, I'm your huckleberry...

This "very confused" and "split up"

no

poser
07-02-2013, 8:55 AM
Half you motherfuckers on here can't speak fucking English anyway, bunch of overbite lazy eyed MOFO's

you should start Capinos eloquence school...... where you'll learn to speak properly, or ill kick your fucking bike over lol

Allen
07-02-2013, 9:07 AM
Oh christ again?I really wish someone would have killed this off or at least closed it.

You like your affordable/do-it-yourself/low key/grass roots chopper thing? Thank Biltwell.

You like going to FREE events like EDR, The Gypsy Run, etc? Thank Biltwell.

You like the over crowded streets of Daytona or Sturgis? Thank Arlen Ness and the Tuttles.

The guys at Biltwell are the reason we don't have to go those shit holes anymore. They get credit from me for getting all these events kicked off and starting a whole new movement of riders getting back to riding instead of parking in black top lots with $75K bikes that suck. They have also supported about every event anyone on this site has ever started or goes to and they continue to do so to this day. They also are the ones that gave us the ChopCult board! They are the reason there's a ton of Indy fab shops out there making cool stuff-here in the USA and abroad that are supplying you with those parts. That company and those owners have done business overseas for years. They have weeded out the shit factories and found a way to bring you affordable top quality parts for you to use on you freedom machine. And don't go calling it all in the name of profit. Biltwell Inc. employees a bunch of guess what? That's right American employees. There are no less than a dozen people that make a honest living from working at that company and they all live here in the USA. How would one know that? I asked. And I was introduced to some of them and I got a lesson in global economy myself. They give people a chance to have a hand in this thing and encourage them to ride and to spread the gospel of being good to other people. I have known the Biltwell guys for a few years now and I have never met nicer more genuine people than them. They will literally give you the shirts off their backs or their last beer without hesitation. I have never seen any company or individual stand behind their product like they do. They returned a seat for one of my customers because he didn't like the way it fit once. It didn't fit cause it was an XS650 and a big twin seat! They still returned it-even though the sizes were clearly shown on the website when the guy bought it. Who the hell would do that? Nobody-except Biltwell. I have seen or heard countless stories like that, some are downright unreal but they are true.

Now let's close this thread and get back to the cool end of this shit. Build on and ride like the wind bitches. :cheersmate:

I think it's actually better to keep it open to send newbs to school (especially during this summer vacation)...

Capino
07-02-2013, 10:27 AM
ROC or Taiwan is NOT The People's Republic of China.
They are Enemies. You recruits need to brush up on your knowledge.

Is MadRiverMoco the only new guy whos not a knuckle dragging moron in here , cause he and CRFyou are the only ones who seem to have a clue

Capino
07-02-2013, 10:31 AM
I think it's actually better to keep it open to send newbs to school (especially during this summer vacation)...

Good Call!

Brendden
07-02-2013, 10:44 AM
Madriver's been around since I can remember I think he deleted his old account and made a new one.

MadRiverMotorCo
07-02-2013, 10:46 AM
Madriver's been around since I can remember I think he deleted his old account and made a new one.

Been here since the beginning...
my old account was closed
I did it in honor of the sale and because of the prevalence of certain trolls...

Rubman
07-02-2013, 10:53 AM
Capino, MY FEELINGS ARE HURT. Now I'm gonna go kill a Taiwanese person and call them a slanty-eyed Chink. You did this!

Evidence
07-02-2013, 11:03 AM
Capino, MY FEELINGS ARE HURT. Now I'm gonna go kill a Taiwanese person and call them a slanty-eyed Chink. You did this!

Grab me a set of factory fresh Zed's while you are over there.

CRFyou
07-02-2013, 11:09 AM
Capino, MY FEELINGS ARE HURT. Now I'm gonna go kill a Taiwanese person and call them a slanty-eyed Chink. You did this!

You think you have a clue because any hastily compiled conspiracy theory has you riveted to them like a deck plate on the Titanic...?

Fozzy
07-02-2013, 11:21 AM
ROC or Taiwan is NOT The People's Republic of China.
They are Enemies. You recruits need to brush up on your knowledge.

Is MadRiverMoco the only new guy whos not a knuckle dragging moron in here , cause he and CRFyou are the only ones who seem to have a clue

Do you mean Hooligan had the rug pulled out from under him by flawed Google searched "knowledge"? Motherfucker!

Rubman
07-02-2013, 11:26 AM
No, but I wouldn't consider myself a "knuckle-dragging moron," either. I also consider myself someone capable of intellectual conversation outside of the things under a rocker box, and someone who's willing (and even eager) to listen to the opinions of others, ask questions and do research, even if the conclusions I form are sometimes wrong.

There's more to being intelligent than being right all the time.

Evidence
07-02-2013, 11:50 AM
There's more to being intelligent than being right all the time.

Not on the internet.

MadRiverMotorCo
07-02-2013, 12:13 PM
you should start capinos eloquence school...... Where you'll learn to speak properly, or ill kick your fucking bike over lol

^^^this!

kresentwrench
07-02-2013, 1:06 PM
If broke ass chopper guys could afford made in the USA everything,

Or maybe "chopper guys" wouldn't be so broke if there were more jobs....



See it yet?

CRFyou
07-02-2013, 1:34 PM
No, but I wouldn't consider myself a "knuckle-dragging moron," either. I also consider myself someone capable of intellectual conversation outside of the things under a rocker box, and someone who's willing (and even eager) to listen to the opinions of others, ask questions and do research, even if the conclusions I form are sometimes wrong.

There's more to being intelligent than being right all the time.

I only made fun of you because you chose to be "hurt" by something capino said. I totally doubt he was even thinking of you when he made the comment. So take that as a compliment.




Or maybe "chopper guys" wouldn't be so broke if there were more jobs....

See it yet?

I see what you're trying to do.

Please tell me when you go to the store, home depot, best buy, etc. You only buy products made in the USA.

I bet I could write your answer to this in a white envelope before you even type it...

One way to bring jobs and manufacturing back to the US is to only buy these products and have all your fellow citizens do the same.

Another way is remove this stigma that one must go to college and collect an irrelevant degree in bullshit. People are not getting trained in manufacturing and engineering fields.

When we're hiring welders, I would kill to have an applicant that:

A: Has a valid Social Security Card
B: Can weld and pass an X-ray test
C: Can pass a drug test
D: Is LA City Certified

Most people are missing A. The next largest group can't do C, with B running a close third.

Rubman
07-02-2013, 1:40 PM
A: Has a valid Social Security Card
B: Can weld and pass an X-ray test
C: Can pass a drug test
D: Is LA City Certified

Most people are missing A. The next largest group can't do C, with B running a close third.


I meet one of these qualifications. Guess which one!

Evidence
07-02-2013, 2:03 PM
I meet one of these qualifications. Guess which one!

How the fuck did you get LA certified all the way over in NJ?

CRFyou
07-02-2013, 2:10 PM
How the fuck did you get LA certified all the way over in NJ?

Have you been reading all his Jersey posts?

He thinks people from Jersey are omnipotent. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks he is LA City Certified. And how you get certified from drinking Skyy Vodka in the club after going to the gym... I have no idea....

904Punk
07-02-2013, 2:12 PM
When we're hiring welders, I would kill to have an applicant that:

A: Has a valid Social Security Card
B: Can weld and pass an X-ray test
C: Can pass a drug test
D: Is LA City Certified

Most people are missing A. The next largest group can't do C, with B running a close third.

Only thing I'm missing is D but I'm sure that is simple enough. If I wasn't so tied down to Texas and Florida I'd head straight out there.

Rubman
07-02-2013, 2:13 PM
Have you been reading all his Jersey posts?

He thinks people from Jersey are omnipotent. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks he is LA City Certified. And how you get certified from drinking Skyy Vodka in the club after going to the gym... I have no idea....

Dude, you're more of a guido than me and you live 3,000 miles away.

1. Your pearly white teeth contrast very well with your

2. Ridiculously tan mexican-but-not-underprivileged-enough skin

3. Your lowcut v-neck shirts.

4. Your boyishly shaved chest.

That, by definition, makes you at LEAST 80% guido. I'd be willing to bet money you own more dry clean-only button downs than me, have been to more clubs than me, and have probably spent more time in a gym than me.

I'm Asbury Park Jersey, not Jersey Shore Jersey.

Evidence
07-02-2013, 2:13 PM
Have you been reading all his Jersey posts?

He thinks people from Jersey are omnipotent. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks he is LA City Certified. And how you get certified from drinking Skyy Vodka in the club after going to the gym... I have no idea....

I don't buy it. NJ residents aren't even coordinated enough to pump their own gas, how the hell would they ever get officially certified in anything?

CRFyou
07-02-2013, 2:27 PM
Dude, you're more of a guido than me and you live 3,000 miles away.

1. Your pearly white teeth contrast very well with your

2. Ridiculously tan mexican-but-not-underprivileged-enough skin

3. Your lowcut v-neck shirts.

4. Your boyishly shaved chest.

That, by definition, makes you at LEAST 80% guido. I'd be willing to bet money you own more dry clean-only button downs than me, have been to more clubs than me, and have probably spent more time in a gym than me.

I'm Asbury Park Jersey, not Jersey Shore Jersey.

Man... You're like, 180 degrees off on everything!

My tan is from me being 1/4 Cherokee and I have the card stating my blood line to prove it. As well as my family being listed on the Dawes Rolls. http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/dawes/intro.html

The V-necks are my way of not wearing a collared shirt at work. So I can dress down, not up.

The chest has little hair. Again see my Cherokee heritage.

You might not be some wop goombah greaseball, but you certainly can't put that shit on me, recruit.

Rubman
07-02-2013, 2:33 PM
Man... You're like, 180 degrees off on everything!

My tan is from me being 1/4 Cherokee and I have the card stating my blood line to prove it. As well as my family being listed on the Dawes Rolls. http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/dawes/intro.html

The V-necks are my way of not wearing a collared shirt at work. So I can dress down, not up.

The chest has little hair. Again see my Cherokee heritage.

You might not be some wop goombah greaseball, but you certainly can't put that shit on me, recruit.

excuses are like ass holes, brother! everyone's got one!


AND, for the record, I've only banged a couple REAL Italian girls, and they were the most annoying (and crazy) people on the planet, and jesus are their families just as bad. Were I born a "wop goombah greaseball"-type of guinea, I'd jump off the GW Bridge. Or, if I wanted to be poetic, I'd jump off the boardwalk sky ride.

BrandonThePleb
07-02-2013, 2:50 PM
Ok. WTH who changed my Profile Pic. RUBMAN I don't know how you did it but switch it back you internet biker...

Capino
07-02-2013, 3:33 PM
excuses are like ass holes, brother! everyone's got one!


AND, for the record, I've only banged a couple REAL Italian girls, and they were the most annoying (and crazy) people on the planet, and jesus are their families just as bad. Were I born a "wop goombah greaseball"-type of guinea, I'd jump off the GW Bridge. Or, if I wanted to be poetic, I'd jump off the boardwalk sky ride.

Ok now you are on my bad side

Jetblack
07-02-2013, 3:35 PM
Time for a famous long winded post... I know someone misses these things. :p

I know this seems like a small US based website a lot of times; but our membership is world wide not to mention our visitors from every nook and cranny around the globe. On the main page if you scroll to the bottom you can see how many people world wide are on at any given time... the number is usually at around 20 to 30 thousand people when I've looked at it. There's a smaller one you can scale in and out of too to get more location specific. 33 Map: http://www.chopcult.com/maps_iframe.php

Maybe this lends a little bit of perspective to Chop Cults audience? All countries have the same types of issues, each and every person trying to scrape out a living and get by and all of them are seeking happiness... I don't personally see a difference in human struggle, beliefs may differ in an individual... but no one asked to be born where they were, or get instilled with or trained in those beliefs.

If one thinks on a small scale within borders; then the make it all and buy it all here makes sense. As our relations and understanding have grown with other countries, it ceases to be logical in a business perspective to hoard your goods and jobs.

So what if the US only made and bought their own shit? The other countries would trade and help each other grow and expand. What would happen to the US? It would fall behind in technology and become stunted in everything else including asking questions of what our government was doing because we'd be complacent and let the government become our parent.

Sure... we'd all have jobs, and produce enough food for everyone... but what protection or friends would be have if we did not trade? If we sat here looking fat happy and prosperous with a ton of resources and had no friends and allies from trade, how long do you think it would be before the US were attacked?

Food for thought:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/6fjXp3TuWlA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

We all rely on each other now a days, there is nothing wrong with learning self sufficiency and gaining valuable skills, they are not only valuable to you but others... hence worth trading. A logger might not have time to farm or the tools and the farmer vice versa so they both trade. This has gone beyond borders... there's no going back at this point, what the buy American crowd desires is no longer attainable it's become a fantasy ideal.

Countries, rely on each other not just for trade, but food, medical, help during disasters, settling conflicts that could lead to war. It's the human thing to do. Hovering over your country like a dog does a food bowl growling might keep others out, but it will also keep others away when it needs filling too.

Be happy you were born accidentally, in a prosperous land... being prideful for it and possibly disliking others because of where they were born without a choice is just learned ignorance. There is no lack of fucking jobs in the US. I could go onto Craigslist or Indeed and have a job in less than a week, and so could anyone else... the problem is it may not be a job they want.

Well boo fucking hoo... to think that people think they are above a good honest days work no matter what that work may be... is fucking sad. There's no real fucking work ethic in those people that don't take any job. What there is though; is a sense of entitlement that they are above a job. Why do illegals have jobs in this country? Because of fuckers here thinking they are too good to do that kind of work themselves.

As stated in an earlier post; I stand behind Biltwell because of their ethic; not the country in which their goods are produced. If you think welders / and pipe benders would work building handlebars at Biltwell or any other small operation, for what they could afford to pay them part time because of inconsistent order numbers... do you think they would take the job? Fuck no they wouldn't the welder would go for the highest pay and full time.

As these small businesses grow and get off the ground, maybe they can turn enough profit to have a lager manufacturing facility and employ full time US workers, for their products... but then oh they aren't a small mom and pop so they aren't cool anymore would be the argument; or they are rich and lost touch or some shit. There's no real winning with some people is there? Always some argument.

Well the people that produce and trade have a place in society; sitting on ones ass with expectations and complaints about the producers are the problem. No job? No made in the old USA bars to buy? Seems both problems just got solved at the same time... if one can put two and two together. But I can't weld or have a welder... excuses, a month at burger king would solve the welder issue another month practicing welding. But I can't live off of 4 bar purchases a month... expand making other shit... but I can't do it all alone... hire someone oppps! they won't work for what I can pay them... who will? Well, Taiwan starts looking pretty good about now if you are to continue doesn't it?

Capino
07-02-2013, 3:40 PM
I only made fun of you because you chose to be "hurt" by something capino said. I totally doubt he was even thinking of you when he made the comment. So take that as a compliment.





I see what you're trying to do.

Please tell me when you go to the store, home depot, best buy, etc. You only buy products made in the USA.

I bet I could write your answer to this in a white envelope before you even type it...

One way to bring jobs and manufacturing back to the US is to only buy these products and have all your fellow citizens do the same.

Another way is remove this stigma that one must go to college and collect an irrelevant degree in bullshit. People are not getting trained in manufacturing and engineering fields.

When we're hiring welders, I would kill to have an applicant that:

A: Has a valid Social Security Card
B: Can weld and pass an X-ray test
C: Can pass a drug test
D: Is LA City Certified

Most people are missing A. The next largest group can't do C, with B running a close third.

When I'm hiring the men must be
A; Dual Cool
B: Triple Threat (Bonus Points)

Rubman
07-02-2013, 3:50 PM
Ok now you are on my bad side

guy tells one guinea joke and suddenly we're no longer internet bro's. such bull shit. if it's any consolation, italians cook great food, and italian women are the most beautiful kind of women -- all I gotta do is find one that can't talk, or grow sharp finger nails, or hold a set of keys with which to key my car.

ARBY
07-02-2013, 4:05 PM
What's this all got to do with Biltwell stuff being made in Taiwan? Unless Taiwan has moved to jersey.

I always do business with American companies. I refuse to send one dollar
To a co outside the US. if I buy from biltwell I bought American. I can't control who they're in bed with.

bonesxl1100
07-02-2013, 8:26 PM
Time for a famous long winded post... I know someone misses these things. :p

I know this seems like a small US based website a lot of times; but our membership is world wide not to mention our visitors from every nook and cranny around the globe. On the main page if you scroll to the bottom you can see how many people world wide are on at any given time... the number is usually at around 20 to 30 thousand people when I've looked at it. There's a smaller one you can scale in and out of too to get more location specific. 33 Map: http://www.chopcult.com/maps_iframe.php

Maybe this lends a little bit of perspective to Chop Cults audience? All countries have the same types of issues, each and every person trying to scrape out a living and get by and all of them are seeking happiness... I don't personally see a difference in human struggle, beliefs may differ in an individual... but no one asked to be born where they were, or get instilled with or trained in those beliefs.

If one thinks on a small scale within borders; then the make it all and buy it all here makes sense. As our relations and understanding have grown with other countries, it ceases to be logical in a business perspective to hoard your goods and jobs.

So what if the US only made and bought their own shit? The other countries would trade and help each other grow and expand. What would happen to the US? It would fall behind in technology and become stunted in everything else including asking questions of what our government was doing because we'd be complacent and let the government become our parent.

Sure... we'd all have jobs, and produce enough food for everyone... but what protection or friends would be have if we did not trade? If we sat here looking fat happy and prosperous with a ton of resources and had no friends and allies from trade, how long do you think it would be before the US were attacked?

Food for thought:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/6fjXp3TuWlA?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

We all rely on each other now a days, there is nothing wrong with learning self sufficiency and gaining valuable skills, they are not only valuable to you but others... hence worth trading. A logger might not have time to farm or the tools and the farmer vice versa so they both trade. This has gone beyond borders... there's no going back at this point, what the buy American crowd desires is no longer attainable it's become a fantasy ideal.

Countries, rely on each other not just for trade, but food, medical, help during disasters, settling conflicts that could lead to war. It's the human thing to do. Hovering over your country like a dog does a food bowl growling might keep others out, but it will also keep others away when it needs filling too.

Be happy you were born accidentally, in a prosperous land... being prideful for it and possibly disliking others because of where they were born without a choice is just learned ignorance. There is no lack of fucking jobs in the US. I could go onto Craigslist or Indeed and have a job in less than a week, and so could anyone else... the problem is it may not be a job they want.

Well boo fucking hoo... to think that people think they are above a good honest days work no matter what that work may be... is fucking sad. There's no real fucking work ethic in those people that don't take any job. What there is though; is a sense of entitlement that they are above a job. Why do illegals have jobs in this country? Because of fuckers here thinking they are too good to do that kind of work themselves.

As stated in an earlier post; I stand behind Biltwell because of their ethic; not the country in which their goods are produced. If you think welders / and pipe benders would work building handlebars at Biltwell or any other small operation, for what they could afford to pay them part time because of inconsistent order numbers... do you think they would take the job? Fuck no they wouldn't the welder would go for the highest pay and full time.

As these small businesses grow and get off the ground, maybe they can turn enough profit to have a lager manufacturing facility and employ full time US workers, for their products... but then oh they aren't a small mom and pop so they aren't cool anymore would be the argument; or they are rich and lost touch or some shit. There's no real winning with some people is there? Always some argument.

Well the people that produce and trade have a place in society; sitting on ones ass with expectations and complaints about the producers are the problem. No job? No made in the old USA bars to buy? Seems both problems just got solved at the same time... if one can put two and two together. But I can't weld or have a welder... excuses, a month at burger king would solve the welder issue another month practicing welding. But I can't live off of 4 bar purchases a month... expand making other shit... but I can't do it all alone... hire someone oppps! they won't work for what I can pay them... who will? Well, Taiwan starts looking pretty good about now if you are to continue doesn't it?

I didn't read any of this :D

DragonBeans
07-02-2013, 8:32 PM
I didn't read any of this :D

+1

Rubman
07-02-2013, 8:43 PM
Everyone shut the fuck up except me!

Allen
07-03-2013, 3:43 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/9173430120_494140656a_z.jpg

Admit it, we've all bought "something" made in Taiwan...

Mickey
07-03-2013, 5:28 AM
Admit it, we've all bought "something" made in Taiwan...

Game over

:cheersmate:

Himjo
07-03-2013, 7:18 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/9173430120_494140656a_z.jpg

Admit it, we've all bought "something" made in Taiwan...


You're absolutely right.

Now days, you don't have much choice... Bean counters, marketers, manufacturers make the choice for you. When there's nothing else available but "foreign made goods," what're you gonna do? When's the last time you saw a television made in the States on the shelf at your local store? Is it ok then that it's owned/designed by Americans, but produced overseas? I think we all know that it's not because "they" care so much about you, or the industry, that they want to bring you better products at a lower price point... Think about that the next time you find yourself standing in the unemployment line.

Some of us remember when you walked into Walmart there were U.S. flags hanging from the ceilings. They promoted buying U.S. made goods. They always stocked American made products when available. You at least had the choice...then Sam Walton died, and it was turned over to the bean counters. Good luck finding something now on the shelves made in the States (sans food products).

Systemically, when all of our manufacturing jobs are moved overseas, where do 'we' then get a job? Along the same lines, when everyone's working in the service industry, aka the lower class, how do you then afford decent quality goods?

I've spent over half of my professional career overseas (not in the manufacturing or wholesale/retail market, either, btw), and I can tell you from an economic standpoint that it's booming. No shortage of jobs, though of course we're not talking UAW wages either.

Bottom line, collectively we're all not going to make ridiculously high union wages *and* get everything on clearance at $1.98. Can't always have cake and eat it, too.

Make all the explanations you want, but in the end there are those that will always side with the pocketbook, and they will make every excuse possible why they buy foreign-made versus American.

Fozzy
07-03-2013, 7:27 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/9173430120_494140656a_z.jpg

Admit it, we've all bought "something" made in Taiwan...

A spinner?

pTc
07-03-2013, 8:59 AM
A belt

Allen
07-03-2013, 9:16 AM
A belt

I'd never call him a "Belt"... that doesn't even make sense?

Fozzy
07-03-2013, 1:29 PM
I'd never call him a "Belt"... that doesn't even make sense?

He is so cute you could do him missionary style and not be all weirded out.

CRFyou
07-03-2013, 1:35 PM
He is so cute you could do him missionary style and not be all weirded out.

I'd like to do him from behind so I could pull his hair and whisper into his ear.

Fozzy
07-03-2013, 3:41 PM
I'd like to do him from behind so I could pull his hair and whisper into his ear.

And that is definately your perogative. I don't think I would limit myself to just one position, not saying you would either, I'd play that by ear.

BrandonThePleb
07-03-2013, 4:33 PM
HAHAHA BF5 was that hott!
And boys just because i'm from 'Overseas" doesn't mean I'm cheap and easy. Keep Dreaming

CRFyou
07-03-2013, 4:49 PM
And that is definately your perogative. I don't think I would limit myself to just one position, not saying you would either, I'd play that by ear.

I find that changing positions allows you time out of the hole so you can last a little longer.

A hot, little number like Asian Brandon and you're not gonna last very long. Nah mean?

BrandonThePleb
07-03-2013, 4:54 PM
I find that changing positions allows you time out of the hole so you can last a little longer.

A hot, little number like Asian Brandon and you're not gonna last very long. Nah mean?

I may be on bottom but I am a power bottom

Fozzy
07-03-2013, 5:37 PM
I find that changing positions allows you time out of the hole so you can last a little longer.

A hot, little number like Asian Brandon and you're not gonna last very long. Nah mean?

My big concern would be nutting too quick. How embarrassing to nut all over the back of his tighty whiteys before I even got my tip wet

Jetblack
07-03-2013, 6:14 PM
I find that changing positions allows you time out of the hole so you can last a little longer.

A hot, little number like Asian Brandon and you're not gonna last very long. Nah mean?

Sounds like a possible premise for a Big Red commercial... So fist a little longer, Make it last a little longer,. longer WITH BIG RED...

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6018/5972296773_cc61e672d5_z.jpg

Fozzy
07-03-2013, 6:26 PM
I may be on bottom but I am a power bottom

Awkward! :) I had a mental picture of how this 3-way was gonna go down and it kinda hinged on you not speaking ing-rish.

choppersrgay
01-08-2015, 8:27 PM
I hate to be that guy that brings the original topic back up, but do yourselves a favor and take the time to watch this:

http://deathbychina.com

Knuckleduster
01-09-2015, 6:20 AM
I'm not about to buy a book titled "Death by China" especially when the mutherfucker's printed in China.
The old saying is true; "You get what you pay for"!

MadRiverMoCo
01-09-2015, 7:49 AM
I hate to be that guy that brings the original topic back up, but do yourselves a favor and take the time to watch this:

http://deathbychina.com

Florida ain't Cuba and Taiwan ain't China.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a cool story though...

Cisco726
01-09-2015, 2:35 PM
I hate to be that guy that brings the original topic back up, but do yourselves a favor and take the time to watch this:

http://deathbychina.com
Watched it. Didn't want to buy anything not made here for a while, but take a good look around and you'll see hardly anything is made here. At least not everyday stuff. Not buying that shit isn't gonna change it, changing laws and the shithead politicians will. Easier said than done though because everyone is too busy trying to prove "their side" is right.

KeysRyder
01-09-2015, 4:46 PM
Here is a thought. I hear all the time, as one said "live in the now" most everything is made overseas so deal with it. Well most of those people also will say support your local shops or businesses. Sure it costs a bit more but hey your keeping the convenience of having that local place. Well where do you draw the line on "local". I would argue that isn't the US local when looking at it globally. So when you say deal with it, I say well deal with going to walmart, home depot, the Big HD dealer, screw the little places in your neighborhood, isn't it the same??

farmall
01-09-2015, 9:37 PM
The US has the first or second (it's a close race) largest GDP in the world. If we tried to make everything we use today, most of us couldn't afford to buy it and the US couldn't export it competitively. We export enormous quantities of manufactured products with an ever-decreasing percentage of population producing those products.

I prefer to buy domestic products and do so where that's an option or a reasonable option, but it's worth noting that a main killer of US jobs is the same efficiency that's driving other countries to
invest in manufacturing in the US for global export. Efficiency means we no longer have a lot of good manufacturing jobs and that's a permanent situation because workers are a cost center and markets are competitive.

As for the "little stores in my neighborhood", the good hardware store sits between Walmart and Lowes. He welcomed them because he knew he could take advantage of the traffic they draw.
He makes fat bank. Many other stores with high prices, shit service and shit selection died because they failed to SERVE the customer. Buh-bye!

Japan was supposedly going to kick our ass. Didn't happen. China won't win in the end either because our manufacturing costs are dropping sufficient to drive insourcing and Chinese wages are increasing. When their demographic
bomb from their one-child policy starts detonating their economy will be fucked. Meanwhile immigration to the US will hold down the average age of our population.

http://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2014-data-and-charts

If ya want money, don't expect it in manufacturing. I saw that shitstorm brewing more than three decades back and so did many others. Manufacturing doesn't take the body count or the skilled labor it once did so workers aren't in demand enough to drive up wages.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/auto-profits-rebound-wages-dont-follow

Be careful of buying nominally US products because it may not be as useful as it appears:

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/12/njs_economy_helped_by_global_companies_opinion.htm l