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beanhead78
05-04-2010, 6:18 PM
i grew up in a biker family. when i was a kid it was all family orinted.i remember weekend campouts at pig roasts, dirty bearded guys and pretty wemon sleeping on the floor and couch. it wasnt unusual to see more than one person at a time coming out of the bathroom. everyone loved us kids.there was always a tray underneath the couch and pitbulls hanging off tires hung from a tree. now it seems so fake. i got three kids and all my "close friends " ride but everytime theres a party kids aint allowed. what happened? it used to be so fun. this is how i grew up.
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my mom the year she had me
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is that an acp45 in front of me?
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me 30 yrs later keeping it real
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the 2000's suck

TemeculaTerry
05-04-2010, 6:29 PM
Cool pics, thx for sharing.
When all the real bikers get back from dickies shorts shopping I'm sure they will have something to share - hehe

me
05-04-2010, 6:41 PM
no one wants there kids endin up like you hahaha

beanhead78
05-04-2010, 6:49 PM
im just a little buzzed thinkin about how shit used to be so cool. ive been goin thru all my dads old 70s easyriders and wishin times were like that still. oh well heres some more pics of the family i made
my uncle bill and my 1st born 8 yrs ago
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smae kid 2 yrs ago
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my oldest and my middle kid 3 yrs ago
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ok i think im done

Beefdrippings
05-04-2010, 6:51 PM
In the 70's they probably said the 50's and 60's were better.

beanhead78
05-04-2010, 6:57 PM
yeah but i was there for the late 70s and 80s and i can assure you it was alot better then than it is now.

turtle
05-04-2010, 7:20 PM
It's called social services....if my children shared with their children like I did them social services would come and get them. Hell they gave me a hard time as it was back in the 80's. yea life was better...if you ran your mouth you got it mashed and you didn't get sued,if you needed help you got it from your bros,and it wasn't a loan to be paid back . It was a lifestyle not a hobby like it is now for some. If you miss the old days....look for the old dogs ,their are some still left. And some of the young bucks have the old school blood in them. We"re still around just harder to find!

NoeyesDen
05-04-2010, 7:20 PM
Its all lost. Not a whole lot of "real bikers" have computers. I thought about asking the same question a few days ago, I was talking to my dad on the phone and he went on about how it used to be. Kinda made me sad. I am sure there is someone out there living the REAL dream. The thought of being on my bike and going just to go and not knowing what I will do tommorrow or where I will be headed, that would be heaven.

The bigger question is "Has anyone ever just dropped out and went?? and for how long??

Osprey
05-04-2010, 7:41 PM
COOL PICS!
I know I'm not a real biker so don't put me on your "real biker list". I think I'm a real surfer if that counts for anything??

beanhead78
05-04-2010, 7:54 PM
im not trying to start arguments. im just wondering what happend? my parents drug me around everywhere and there was plenty of kids to play with.now i hardly see kids at any events , and i used to get calls to go on trips all the time but now i have three kids nobody wants to do anything unless i have a sitter. like i said shit was alot different back then. fun i guess you could say. nobody was cool but everyone was.

MadRiverMoCo
05-04-2010, 7:55 PM
I don't know - Henry will be three months old which seems like the perfect age for his first try at the Gypsy Run

beanhead78
05-04-2010, 7:59 PM
I don't know - Henry will be three months old which seems like the perfect age for his first try at the Gypsy Run

my kids got his own bike so i think hell be down

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Derakes
05-04-2010, 8:02 PM
pretty much how i feel. i didnt grow up around bikes or anyone with bikes. i dont ever even remember seeing a harley when i was a kid. i hate when people "build" a chopper and its just an after market frame with an after market motor bolted in it with an after market tranny (bolted together by someone else) with a paint job done by some guy that charged him 3 grand and a set of wheels that are 1000 dollars a piece. billet billet billet bullshit. i guess im a little more fortunate because a friend of mine has a nice garage and ive got to use it to work on my shit. we chopped the frame chopped the tank put sight gauges in both the oil tank and the gas tank. built my motor from the cases up. bought a gear set and put it in a case. made my seat pan ect ect ect. even if a bike is ugly as sin so long as the guy who built it actually built it, i respect way more. compared to someone that "made a bike his own" by having a shop do everything. before i chopped this frame i asked alot of guys how far over stock thier frames were...almost none of them know. but i guess the point is i bought my first bike three years ago and it was something that i really got into. ive built basically 3 bikes from the ground up for myself and helped friends build others. lately i feel like almost everyone that rides choppers are bullshit. and most of the people that ride in general are drunks.

xllance
05-04-2010, 8:10 PM
pretty much how i feel. i didnt grow up around bikes or anyone with bikes. i dont ever even remember seeing a harley when i was a kid. i hate when people "build" a chopper and its just an after market frame with an after market motor bolted in it with an after market tranny (bolted together by someone else) with a paint job done by some guy that charged him 3 grand and a set of wheels that are 1000 dollars a piece. billet billet billet bullshit. i guess im a little more fortunate because a friend of mine has a nice garage and ive got to use it to work on my shit. we chopped the frame chopped the tank put sight gauges in both the oil tank and the gas tank. built my motor from the cases up. bought a gear set and put it in a case. made my seat pan ect ect ect. even if a bike is ugly as sin so long as the guy who built it actually built it, i respect way more. compared to someone that "made a bike his own" by having a shop do everything. before i chopped this frame i asked alot of guys how far over stock thier frames were...almost none of them know. but i guess the point is i bought my first bike three years ago and it was something that i really got into. ive built basically 3 bikes from the ground up for myself and helped friends build others. lately i feel like almost everyone that rides choppers are bullshit. and most of the people that ride in general are drunks.
Started off with a good point but what happened on that last sentence dude?!

beanhead78
05-04-2010, 8:12 PM
hey derakes im not trying to bag on anybody im just saying alot has changed since i was a kid. its a whole different attitude . and not a good one. riding bike used to be about friends, family and beer.

Derakes
05-04-2010, 8:16 PM
Started off with a good point but what happened on that last sentence dude?!

just sayin that what happened to real bikers and brotherhood and living life for motorcycles. alot of the guys i know wanna ride thier bikes to the bar to get drunk. i know a few old heads i never really get to talk to but they ride new road kings and shit. which is alright i guess since they ride every fucking where all the time. everyone puts that live to ride bullshit on thier bike and its the first thing to go when things get tight. FIRST thing.

dannyb
05-04-2010, 8:21 PM
The only time i feel like it's the "old days" as my dad calls them ( late 60's-early 80's) is when we go to local hill climbing and flat tracking events. people are camping, kids are racing around the campgrounds on mini's and everybody is having a good time. Much more "sanitized" than it used to be, but it makes me feel good to see kids out racing when they could be at home sitting on thier asses.

JRussell
05-04-2010, 8:23 PM
They all got killed off by assholes drivers on cellphones.

No, just kidding.
This is good thread.

My dad was a flat track guy, heard stories about him going to Indy mile and sleeping pushing some dumpsters together and sleepoing behind a grocery store and being woken up by a cop nightstick or drag races in the parking lots. Had kids took us to see the Magic Mile at Duquion a few times. Once he got a whiff of weed outside the grandstands and took us home because the crowds were too rough. Then the next year a racer got killed right in front of us and that was the end of that for us.

That doesnt answer your question, he has told me after they had my older sister he saw someone turned in hamburger on the highway came home and realized what was important. Got rid of his bikes. He rides and BMW and swears he is gonna get ran over by a dumbass on a cell phone.

xllance
05-04-2010, 8:59 PM
just sayin that what happened to real bikers and brotherhood and living life for motorcycles. alot of the guys i know wanna ride thier bikes to the bar to get drunk. i know a few old heads i never really get to talk to but they ride new road kings and shit. which is alright i guess since they ride every fucking where all the time. everyone puts that live to ride bullshit on thier bike and its the first thing to go when things get tight. FIRST thing.

Yeah, I hear ya. I guess everyone has their own ideas of what the good old days were. Mine are Sundays at my Grandmas house when I was a kid and half the people in town would meet up and ride dirt bikes, enduros, street bikes or whatever they had, even mopeds all over town (all dirt roads in my map dot of a home town, no cops). There were even some good off road trails. Then grandma would cook lunch for everybody. She passed and the tradition stopped cold. Nothing wrong with partying and drinking IMO, but that is some of my best memories!

Oh yeah, and I remember falling asleep in the wee hours of the morning on wooden bleachers at many a flattrack race as a kid!!

BullDog
05-04-2010, 9:01 PM
Hey dude, those good ol' days ain't quite 'extinct' yet. True you don't see folks draggin the kids out to every event or run nowadays but, look at the grassroots runs popping up all over now. Runs like the Slab City Riot, The Smoke Outs, Twine Ball Run, etc., are closer to my idea of real bikers getting together.

Sadly, we can't bring back the 70's (or any other era) but we can put a little of that attitude in the life we life NOW. That whole 'brothers helping brothers' deal is still out there, I see it occasionally. I've stopped to help a brother or sister on the side of the road numerous times and I know that attitude must have rubbed off on at least a few of them.

I think that's about all we can do to revive that old spirit is to keep on helpin' each other out and continue to organize/participate in these "real" biker get togethers. The rest will fall back into place eventually.

Just sayin.

Sawbones
05-04-2010, 9:01 PM
im just a little buzzed thinkin about how shit used to be so cool. ive been goin thru all my dads old 70s easyriders and wishin times were like that still.

I know exactly what you mean. A friend of mine is an old wrench and I go over to his place to learn from him and help him work on bikes. Last time I was over there I mentioned that I was into David Mann's art, so he gives me a huge stack of Easyriders from the 70s through the 90s. I brought 'em home and started paging through them and I remember thinking "what the fuck happened?" When I was a kid my mom would take me to concerts or my uncle would take me to the drags and it was mayhem everywhere. Just a really good time. All the kids had rat tails and tee shirts with the sleeves cut off. People were drinking and fucking like jackrabbits. Flip through any Easyriders from the 70s to the 80s and you'll see what I mean.

Really, it's such a complex issue there's no way to step back and point at one specific thing. I guess the main point I would make is that you just can't sustain that kind of grooviness for very long. People get injured or killed, they go to prison, they get old, shit just ebbs and flows. A lot of the images associated with the culture have lost some of their spirit as well. "Bikers" used to have a mystique to them. They were like Viking wizards on motorcycles. Nowadays being a biker isn't really anything special to the general population. The brand is bloated and watered-down. To add to that, many bikers themselves have soured to some of the icons they used to love and represent. Concepts like the superiority of Harley Davidson and the reputation of America have become impotent caricatures of their former glory. A lot of people are either too cynical about those things or just too serious.

Either that or everyone's out shopping for Dickies.

smokey469
05-04-2010, 9:17 PM
I couldn't agree more more. When I was a young kid we never really went to rallies or anything like that, but there was always something going on. I can remember atleast a couple of days a week/weekends buddies of my dads coming over to the house or him throwing me on the back of the shovel and heading over to his buds shop. It wasn't really too wild, mostly just beer drinking, wrenching, throwing horeshoes, or playing whatever sport us kids were into at the time. The kids were always involved though, and it really was a "family-like" atmosphere. I gotta agree with what's been said before though, we live in a much more up-tight society nowadays, and those that do have kids have to always wonder if somebody's gonna frown upon them bringing them along for gatherings. If you ask me though, kids nowadays could use a big dose of the way things were back then, it'd do them a lot of good!

number1son
05-04-2010, 9:23 PM
Shit man Iam right here, I work just enough to get paid unemployment.I take my kid's to event's, it sucks that their all 18 and over and they have to sit on the outside of the fence and wait for me to throw them some food though.Oh and get this man, one time I just said fuck it and left for a whole weekend it was killer.

Seriously,though I am glad my kid's don't have to deal with the ,hey kid go to bed so I can bang your Mom conversation's from "Uncle Tony".I also hear what your saying I think its going to get better somewhat it seems like happenings are getting smaller with more like minded people,of course with the increase with the cost of everything fun were never going to see the seventy's again and I am not just talking about the price of gas and bikes,also the party favor prices have skyrocketed and with the drug test's and hassels with dui and the fact that you got to bust ass just to pay taxes.
Look at the bright side, we can ride our bikes past cops without getting shaken down ,most of the time.We don't get turned away at restaurant's and hotel's and there's still fine looking women.

Beefdrippings
05-04-2010, 9:33 PM
yeah but i was there for the late 70s and 80s and i can assure you it was alot better then than it is now.

Well I see what you're saying and I agree with you.I also think it's not just bikes,you could argue everything else has gone to shit as well.Sometimes life is what you make of it.

mad750
05-04-2010, 9:45 PM
Perception and reality are two different things.




Perception that the days of "good old" bikers have left and gone.


Reality is that it's still alive and well.

Allen
05-04-2010, 10:04 PM
7-11 just teamed up with Willie G. to bring back the 70's and are introducing a new "Two Wheeled Watermelon" flavor for HOG Members only visiting local participating stores on officially licensed factory ride dates, some restrictions apply.

Roll on up to the tool bar and click on COMMUNITY, then scroll down for UPCOMING EVENTS. I have like every weekend planned for the next umpteenth months... man oh man, and the rumor about a Slab City Riot > PART TWO!!! SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hoofhearted
05-04-2010, 10:26 PM
I started riding in 1959. Back then you were considered to be either a headcase or a H A to be on a bike. Get constantly stopped for nothing. We had a couple of cops here who would find something, anything rather than let you go.

Thanks but I'll take today. I'm not roasting pigs and I'm not a dirty bearded old fart. So I mustn't be a real biker. BUT, I'm going racing at El Mirage dry lake in 10 days and I'm going racing at Bonneville in August. I got four bikes in the garage. For me these are the good ol' days. Way ahead of a ratty old BSA I started out on in '59.

KT
05-04-2010, 10:38 PM
IMO you wanna know what happen go look at people in their late 40s and 50s some stayed true others bailed became whatever political,born again, child safety this, don't show that, people and went with everything they said they wouldn't when they was running around in the late 60s 70's and really the 80's was that good???? girls with puffed up hair taller then they were yuppies came to the fore front how much you had on paper became worth more then you had in your soul.....

Now before the people in their 40's and 50's go off on me let me say this it is also OUR fault yeppers I said mine yours and everyone one of us that was gen X and didn't stand up like our parents or others did when they was our age and said this is BS not having it ...

So you get people that want everything digested for them pre cooked pre washed pre assembled we let them give us plastic chrome for the real thing....

As far as "bikers" fuck labels how bout real people being real that's the root of what I think your trying to find ...


Yea my bike is epoxy black and yea it leaks some oil ...reasons it is a work in progress won't get painted till I get tired of black (isn't gonna happen) or I feel it is done enough that I won't be grinding or welding or cutting (probably never gonna happen either ) oil leaks I don't wanna tear it down and not be able to ride and it isn't gonna hurt it with the small amount it leaks anyways ...I call it my long term oil change plan ....

To quote my favorite singer Mike Muir from Suicidal "If I offended you ,I'm sorry ...but maybe you need to be offend ...well here is my apology and one more thing F U" Think that tells it people need to get offend they need to get mad and change this shit or it never will ....



Ok Sum bitch sorry major rant ...got hit for $20 a license plate ....a fee in Ohio if your one day late on your tags they just implemented ...and I had 5 sets to buy Bastard Strickland and his happy birthday law from the state of ohio....If we ever fix the big shit this kind of stuff will fix itself .....I know I know I'm a dick or asshole least I am consistent LOL

CMA406
05-04-2010, 10:41 PM
consider yourselves lucky, you actually got to experience the "good times".

im alot younger than most on this board (18), and i would give my left fucking nut to grow up in the 60s and 70s. i hate current pop culture, and have never really gotten along with people of my generation because of it....none of em understand why i work on my bike all night instead of play xbox....

jonnyrtn
05-04-2010, 10:48 PM
I dont know... since the HA's and the other bikers (clubs with club bikes) started wearing full faces and have legal bikes... I guess it's all dead... gotta hide from da man and all. Us wanna be's hang out in our garages and weld junk together and go to swaps... and if we happen to own a legal geezer glide along with our older stuff we are called fags by guys on here... guess its all dead... real bikers just ride pieces of crap, from what I hear.

primer
05-04-2010, 10:54 PM
beanhead78,I saw your post of you and your mom today and thought that was
badass,the real deal.I was looking at the photo contest and thought if I knew
how to post a picture,and there where enough old guy's like me on this Chop
Cult site I'd win this contest.A picture of my son,your age,taken in 1984 on the
back of my FLH,with a smile that would light even an old prick like me up.For
most of you guy's these will be your good old day's you may tell your kid's
about,for other's like me who were lucky to come around in the late sixty's
and early seventy's it won't ever be the same,so much has changed it is sad.
But wat da fuck,we is da mutt's we is,and I won't give it up for nothing.
And to the guy who made the crack about most of us being bullshit drunk's
that was a direct insult to many,including beanhead's mom,so I gotta tell
ya fuck you you bozo jackoff.

Rudehog
05-04-2010, 11:23 PM
The Vegas Crew has always tried to keep it traditional as far as brotherhood and family,shit we party and play with the kids.........

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4580646900_254ef49446.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4580015435_3d20e54723.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4580015573_a049733ca0.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4580646998_77b932e28c_b.jpg

as far as brotherhood I have been scraping the barrel this year financialy and when I was tryin to get the pan together most of the VC brothers brought over there parts stash for me such as tank,fender,seats,bars,risers,rotor etc......

We party,ride,swap parts,loan money,fix others bikes....whatever it takes. That is the spirit that has to be kept alive.

and now ck it!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2572/4557516409_0bac090cd1_o.jpg


Vegas Crew

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4291461285_0c1ce94809_o.jpg

Hoofhearted
05-04-2010, 11:26 PM
consider yourselves lucky, you actually got to experience the "good times"..

"Good times" are generational. For my Dad the good times were the 30s. For me they started in the late 50s and are stil going on. For you, these are your "good times". 40 or so years from now when your grandson tools up on his brand new electric bike and tells you how cool it is you can tell him about how great it was in the 10s with real bikes and badass bikers.

Good Times circa 1947
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Good Times circa 2009
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Come to think of it its been all good times. Wish I could do it all over again.

mad750
05-04-2010, 11:28 PM
That's my brother Eric!!

VC PRIDE!

altshovel
05-04-2010, 11:56 PM
Where I grew up in the 50s & 60s there were all kinds of bikers and all kinds of clubs. They had different interests and focus'. Triumphs were on the wain when I stared getting interested, Honda's and other Jap bikes where starting to happen and MotoX bikes from eastern Europe and Sweden other weird Brit bikes. HDs were pretty much either dressers (baggers) or Choppers and they were seen as 1%er style weather you were one or not. With the exception of the sportster which could be an XR750 or a chopper-or bagger even.
As far as 'brotherhood' it was common in shared interest kind of ways like Desert and Dirt riding clubs where the hierarchy seemed to be based on who could ride well, but I was an outsider looking in and it didn't seem that simple.
There's the point, it wasn't that simple or idyllic all the time. At that time 1%ers were thieves and criminals for the most part and the brotherhood was enforced. That's not saying they couldn't be funny or cool. I do find the older kind funnier and they were charactors and even a bit more individual than clubbers are now, 1%ers I'm saying. The Desert- dirt clubs had no brotherhood criteria or rule they were that way as friends.
That's just my observation and not the whole picture.

SLCBrandon
05-05-2010, 12:05 AM
Or you could just ride because you like it and not worry about any of the other stuff, eh? That's what I think I'll keep doing, good luck with your endeavour's.

altshovel
05-05-2010, 12:13 AM
Or you could just ride because you like it and not worry about any of the other stuff, eh? That's what I think I'll keep doing, good luck with your endeavour's.
that's the bottom line for me..

EnglandStGarage
05-05-2010, 12:22 AM
i know what happened! YOU ASSHOLES IN THE 60's, 70'S AND 80'S FUCKED IT UP FOR ALL OF US. all that raping and pillaging and being super badass caused johnny law to crack down and lawyers turned into ambulance chasers. way to go guys. somebody's always gotta screw it up for everyone else.

people are lame these days. back then people just did shit cause it felt good and didn't care about consequences. we know better now. your pretty lucky, my parents told me theyd kick me out if i bought a bike. they didn't know about my first two. and im trying to hold off on kids for as loooong as possible.

mad750
05-05-2010, 1:33 AM
If you ride, you wouldn't have to wish.

jeepyj
05-05-2010, 3:06 AM
I am a pussy because I have too much to lose. If I lost it all...who knows? I remember John, John and Dave when I ride, Kingsmen who used to "play" around at our house. I think they just have to hide better now.

Thu, May 7, 2009

Cops representing eight separate law enforcement agencies arrested eighteen people this morning who will be accused of belonging to or of somehow being associated with the Chosen Few Motorcycle Club in and around Buffalo, New York. Two more suspects are being sought by authorities.

A predominantly black motorcycle club founded in Los Angeles in 1959 also calls itself the Chosen Few. The two clubs know about each other but are separate clubs with separate patches.

Chosen Few

The New York Chosen Few were founded in Buffalo in 1967, and wear a “Beatnik for their center patch” which symbolizes “freedom and non-conformity with modernistic society.” Around Buffalo, the Chosen Few may be most famous for the free concerts they sponsor. But, today an anonymous investigator told the Buffalo News, “They’re an outlaw motorcycle club, as far as I’m concerned.” That was obviously enough to get them investigated and to get some of them arrested.

Evidence against the Chosen Few includes, wiretaps, electronic surveillance and photographic surveillance. Federal authorities have not yet announced how much the investigation cost or what they expect the cost-benefit ratio of the arrests to be.

The Chosen Few have a long and tangled history as a comparatively small club surrounded by larger ones. At one point, the Chosen Few were offered a patch-over by the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club. During another moment in their history about half of the Buffalo Chosen Few joined the American Outlaws Association (AOA.)

Kingsmen

For many years the Chosen Few have had a strained relationship with another Buffalo area fraternity of motorcycling enthusiasts, the Kingsmen Motorcycle Club. Various sources, both informed and speculative, have alleged for more than a year that the Kingsmen had “declared war” on the Chosen Few.

The two clubs have a history. Twelve years ago members of the Chosen Few and the Kingsmen were alleged to have fought a gun battle in West Seneca, New York. One man was injured as a result of that fight.

The Kingsmen have been publically alleged to maintain cordial relations with the AOA but they have repeatedly denied that they are either a support club or affiliated in any way with the Outlaws. The Kingsmen were established in Lockport, New York in 1958 and they wear a patch on their cuts that reads, “Kingsmen MC Not Affiliated.”

A year ago, shortly before the current troubles started, a member of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club named James “Mitch” McAuley pled guilty to conspiracy to murder members of the Kingsmen. The Chosen Few are alleged to be on cordial terms with the Hells Angels.

Recent Friction

Last summer at a Chosen Few concert and run called “Bikes and Blues,” some unknown person vandalized a tent and tagged it with the initials “KMC.” Last August, another someone fired gunshots at the Chosen Few Clubhouse in Depew, New York. Later that month, a Chosen Few prospect was shot at and run off the road in West Seneca.

Following this morning’s roundup, anonymous federal sources alleged that long-time Chosen Few President Alex Koschtschuk had ordered members of his club to retaliate against members of the Kingsmen. Koschtschuk will be charged with federal charges of masterminding a criminal conspiracy.

The other suspects were arrested “for various criminal acts involving weapons, possible explosives and assaults,” according to a federal source.

The arrests culminate a several-months long investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The Erie County New York Probation Department, New York State Police and police from the Depew, Lancaster, Buffalo and Amherst, New York Police Departments also participated in the arrests.

Osprey
05-05-2010, 4:56 AM
yeah but i was there for the late 70s and 80s and i can assure you it was alot better then than it is now.
I read your profile dude, you were born '78 and you "was there in the late 70's"
Tell us what u remember?
Come on man! "REAL BIKERS are still out there!
Maybe real bikers don't want too hangout with you.
Yeah my dad rode all my life and I still ride with him today so I guess that makes me cool?
Sorry man but some of you sound like pompous idiots.
I love the pictures of the fam & pan but think before you write!

Osprey
05-05-2010, 4:58 AM
Perception and reality are two different things.




Perception that the days of "good old" bikers have left and gone.


Reality is that it's still alive and well.
Agreed! You have to know where to look!

Osprey
05-05-2010, 5:04 AM
that's the bottom line for me..
and me!

kromsucks
05-05-2010, 5:14 AM
jesus even the 90s were better the 2000s suck me and my brother used to play pool at the local biker bar when we were like 4 years old it was awesome everybody was so cool. and we used to go and get fake harley tats at the local tatoo

shanebo
05-05-2010, 6:48 AM
Wow.
Where have they gone?
If you even have to ask that question, you are hanging out in the wrong spots.
Shit is everywhere around me.
Sure, there's alot of weekend warriors on there low mileage baggers.
There's just as many skater punks riding chops cuz Cabellero said so.
But trust me, posers aside, there's still plenty of guys who ride because its in their soul.
The reason you may not see a bunch of "real biker" is maybe they don't want you to see them.
Maybe...who cares?

aephilli
05-05-2010, 6:53 AM
Attitudes is the difference. Having your kids around the party is now "contributing to the delinquincy of a minor". Riding kids on a bike is now "reckless endangerment". An afternoon ride with a few brews is now "drunk driving". The only constant is change. As has been said, it's still happening out there, look around and find what you want.

MadRiverMoCo
05-05-2010, 7:09 AM
But you can still buy acid at every home depot so it isn't all bad yet...

TemeculaTerry
05-05-2010, 8:51 AM
I'm sort of concerned what everyone is implying what a real biker should be or is.

Is it a look, should I dress like my uncles, get the same tatts as my father and go for chicks that look like my aunts. Should I ride a bike that is an exact replica of something I've seen in a biker movie that was made 30 years ago

-or-

Is a biker someone whom lives to ride, when they wanna ride and how they wanna ride on whatever they have to ride - It's not a look people, it's a fucking lifestye, much like punk rock, sort of the same world ! If your trying your failing...

billdozer
05-05-2010, 10:10 AM
Just ride a motorcycle and have fun. Try to do it with style and soul if possible.

CRFyou
05-05-2010, 10:13 AM
my friends and i ride a lot. we build our own bikes and fix them when they break on the side of the road. every once in a while we bust the side mirror off a car that fucks with us a little too much.

once, one of my friends got a flat tire on the 57 freeway. there were 5 of us total. but i was riding in the back and my buddy that got a flat was right in front of me. so he quickly pulls onto the shoulder with his wobbling back tire action. i follow him but the other 3 guys didn't know what happened and we were at a point where the 57 curves so they were quickly out of sight.

we stopped, got off our bikes and realized the other guys didn't see us pull onto the shoulder. 20 seconds later, our 3 buddies are riding the wrong way on the 57 in the shoulder looking for us. it was awesome to see the raging cars rolling by and 3 chops booking ass the wrong way back toward us.

if that isn't 30 biker points i don't know what the fuck it takes to be a biker...

but we don't wear patches, and i don't go down on my old lady when she's bleeding from her barf period.

aephilli
05-05-2010, 10:38 AM
I'm sort of concerned what everyone is implying what a real biker should be or is.

I think the OP was doing what every generation does, bemoaning the fact that things are not the same as when we were growing up.


Is it a look, should I dress like my uncles, get the same tatts as my father and go for chicks that look like my aunts. If they look like the OPs mom and aunt, hell yea! (sorry, couldn't resist)Should I ride a bike that is an exact replica of something I've seen in a biker movie that was made 30 years ago

-or-

Is a biker someone whom lives to ride, when they wanna ride and how they wanna ride on whatever they have to ride - It's not a look people, it's a fucking lifestye, much like punk rock, sort of the same world ! If your trying your failing...Do your own thing, how you wanna do it, as long as it don't hurt nobody else.

rick667
05-05-2010, 10:50 AM
I'm sort of concerned what everyone is implying what a real biker should be or is.

Is it a look, should I dress like my uncles, get the same tatts as my father and go for chicks that look like my aunts. Should I ride a bike that is an exact replica of something I've seen in a biker movie that was made 30 years ago

-or-

Is a biker someone whom lives to ride, when they wanna ride and how they wanna ride on whatever they have to ride - It's not a look people, it's a fucking lifestye, much like punk rock, sort of the same world ! If your trying your failing...

Right on man. I meet alot of old timers at the pump who say " i like those bikes man, it reminds me of the good old days" and I think this shit is happening right now and this is a good fuckin day. Then I proceed to ride back home with my tailight and license plate bracket under my ass because it just broke off. It's an endless cycle that I love and wouldn't trade it for any time period because I enjoy this period with my friends, family and what we all do. I could give a shit what the lawyer/harley guy across the street does because if I want good times I'll make em.

mad750
05-05-2010, 11:31 AM
It's all about your definition of what is also. For me, the "lifestyle" is something you can Step in and out of at you convenience and the "way of life" is... Well... Just is.

Maybe I'm lucky but I'm blessed with brothers that care, ride, appreciate, party and in general will always have my back.

Like I said, if you ride, you won't have to wish. Ride if you wanna ride. Drink if you wanna drink. Wear what you wanna wear. Live how you wanna live.

bill
05-05-2010, 11:35 AM
i think what beadhead78 was trying to say is that the majority of motorcycle riders out there , well let just say not like us .. we are all here because we like the 70's shit and the old stuff and brotherhood if you would, doing things in our own way in our own time and trying hard not to fall into the mainstream bull shit . last week i went to a grand opening of a brand new hd dealership. what was disturbing wasn't the sea of look-a-like bikes , it was the people, rude, obnoxious and down right dickheads that all dressed the same (some kind of Harley fashion show) . there was no brotherhood,even among themselves and not to mention the hd staff. Not that i,m the prettiest looking guy in the world, i do the long hair and beard thing, but i had some questions about one of the bikes they wouldn't even give me the time of day, maybe because i wore my smokeout 10 t-shit instead of my leather chaps and my $45.00 harley t-shirt that my mother gave me for Christmas last year. I try to go to all the bike events that's in my area,(because i like motorcycles) and i try to keep an open mind, ya know give everyone the benefit of doubt and like beanhead78 said,i have to agree " where did all the biker go"? because, as you guys know our events are far and in between and i just cant wait for the next smokeout or bmr ..ect to come around so i end up going to the easyrider shows and hd events and the various other things around .. and it is nothing like the rides . parties and events that dad used take me to. it seems to me it's a (my dicks bigger then yours) thing now a days. In all honesty what really troubles me is i have a 13 yr old son that is really into this build you own shit, and the biker stuff and i'm afraid that he will not know the real idea behind what botherhood and riding with friends really mean. so in closing, you have my vote if you want to put it back the way it was, ya know, brother helping brother . friends and family welcome . because i know that my 13 year old would love to go to the smokeout to see first hand all the hard work and devotion you guys put into your rides

beanhead78
05-05-2010, 12:08 PM
yeah thats pretty much it .^^^ thanks for your time guys .

jms
05-05-2010, 12:15 PM
Real bikers wear samcro patches!!!...nuff' said.

jazzmans
05-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Funny, this same question was asked over on advrider, (not a chopper site at all) and

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430849

here's the responses.
It's all in how you want to look at it, the grass is always greener, the 'good old days' and shit like that.
It's here now fuckers!
jaz

upsidedownbob
05-05-2010, 12:52 PM
I am so tired of thinking about it. When i get home i am going to kiss my wife and kid. Then promptly go on a ride and forget about everything. When i get back i am going to think about bikes, read about bikes, annoy my wife about bikes, and then go riding again. Then back to work, same shit just no worries.

Parrot76
05-05-2010, 1:29 PM
shit always changes. theres always gonna be people that do things for an image instead of doing it for fun. besides having a little more responsibility im still doing a lot of the same shit i was when i was a kid. playing with my dogs, eating good food, hanging out with my friends, ridin 2 wheels (motorized these days), going to see bands, whatever. just not worried about what everyone else is doing.

hugodv01
05-05-2010, 3:02 PM
No one in my family owned any sort of bike.

When I was 12, we moved next door to some bikers. Loud choppers and hot chicks happened on some weekends. I would peek over the wall. I swore one day I would own a motorcycle.

As a kid I was non-conforming. I was “sent away” often to live with other family members or just anyone who would be kind enough to take me in (for a month or three.) None were into motorcycles.

I returned home at age 16 thanks to mom’s bleeding heart.

After high school; at the age of 18, I was asked to vacate the premise. Time to be a man I was told. Working part time at McDonalds I could not afford to pay rent. I became a hobo in my old junky Toyota corolla.

I drove that shit all over California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and Thru Texas to New Orleans and back to Los Angeles. I made some cash scalping concert and event tickets. For almost a year I slept on sofas, floors and parking lots. I had a blast during that time. Times were tough but I loved the freedom and I loved exploring.

One day I found a decent room to rent and kicked up my boots. (I have worn western boots all my life cause Clint Eastwood said so)

In 93 I scored a kick ass job and shit started to happen for me. In 96 I bought my first motorcycle. An early 80's KZ440 and I rode the shit out of it bone stock.

In 2000 I got my first Harley. It was an 89 Springer softail. I got it from some doctor in Laguna Nigel CA for 5 grand. I was so fucken stoked I gave my Kawi away.

In 2005 I took a job overseas and the Harley went to a good home.

In 2007 I returned to the States and promptly picked another motorcycle. Then another and then another.

I can’t fabricate worth a shit but I support independent companies who do and I can Sawzall and bolt like a mad man.

I can’t tear down and rebuild an engine but I can adjust my carb like no ones business.

I fucken love motorcycles! And I love browsing at photos, reading rags, blogs and writing all kinds of bullshit on motorbike and chopper forums. (Mostly on CC nowadays sorry fellas)

One day I will pay somebody to rebuild me a knuckle and I’ll mash it into a softail frame because that’s how I want to roll. (Knuck’s and Evo’s rule!)

Maybe the biker thing is in the blood. Some have the family values. Some grew up in the culture. Some just love the freedom. I love motorcycles because they will take me to a home I will never find.

Now I’m off to eBay to find the perfect eagle back patch for my jacket.

EnglandStGarage
05-05-2010, 3:16 PM
even tho i built my bike and do all my own work and indulge my life in bikes. i don't really consider myself a "biker" anyways. i got into bikes for the same reason i got into cars when i was a kid. i like the machines themselves. respect the machine, not the scene. to me a lot of "bikers" are total douchebags that are trying way too hard. plus i don't feel comfortable trying to "look the part" couldn't really care less about all that. i just like wrenching, its just as fun as riding to me. id rather just be a bike dork than people think im a biker. who cares? if your really trying to be a biker youll never get it. just ride, wrench and try to learn something along the way.

bulletbob57
05-05-2010, 3:33 PM
I think I know the reason for this thread,I seem to be stuck in the 70's my self.I still dress the same way,think the same way, and like the same things I liked back then.I do like the fact that I don't get hasseled by the cops for just being on a bike.Folks don't roll thier windows and lock their doors when they see me.I do so miss the fellowship of like minded people.I have a shop now with real tools and electric lights,but no one comes over to work on his death trap.I have offered to service folks bike for them but they would rather pay the dealership.
I did not ever think that getting home every night safely would become boring.Life was never boring when you never know what was going to happen next.One gets to know thier fellowman after a few nights in a cell together.
I am trying to make the best of the situation.I do want to be a biker when I grow up.
Bulletbob

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hotdamn
05-05-2010, 3:44 PM
I was thinking about this the other day actually...

all the burly ass dudes my pops hung out with back in the day are mostly dead now.

hard ass livin will do that to you.

shit is too commercial these days too.

In my opinion dudes like Max Schaff and Jason Jesse are the modern version of the old school guys.

they may not be 1% but they are dialed in on their shit.

I guess maybe motherfuckers are a little more calm these days?

Blackjack
05-05-2010, 4:56 PM
Your Dad?

He was a motherfucker.

Pretty much by definition....

MadRiverMoCo
05-05-2010, 6:04 PM
And if your dad ain't a motherfucker, you're a fucking bastard...

mikeyfrombc
05-05-2010, 8:29 PM
Started off with a good point but what happened on that last sentence dude?!

i know more guys who own bikes because they think they are cool to go bar to bar with , any type of ride is to a bar to hang out and drink .

SMChewy
05-05-2010, 9:10 PM
Hey dude, those good ol' days ain't quite 'extinct' yet. True you don't see folks draggin the kids out to every event or run nowadays but, look at the grassroots runs popping up all over now. Runs like the Slab City Riot, The Smoke Outs, Twine Ball Run, etc., are closer to my idea of real bikers getting together.

Sadly, we can't bring back the 70's (or any other era) but we can put a little of that attitude in the life we life NOW. That whole 'brothers helping brothers' deal is still out there, I see it occasionally. I've stopped to help a brother or sister on the side of the road numerous times and I know that attitude must have rubbed off on at least a few of them.

I think that's about all we can do to revive that old spirit is to keep on helpin' each other out and continue to organize/participate in these "real" biker get togethers. The rest will fall back into place eventually.

Just sayin.


TWINE BALL IS COMING BITCHES!!!!!!

I tried my best to bite my tongue with this thread, but fuck it. I agree with the perception thing, and the fact that times are just changing. Remember when it was ok to leave a 5 year old at home with only his 8 year old big brother watching him? TIMES ARE CHANGING CONSTANTLY, whether you like it or not. I have met some cool ass people, and some real assholes on bikes. The best we can all do is be the "good guy". Any one hear the story (thread) the other day of Andy (Pangea Speed) stopping to help another rider stranded. Gee, turns out they are both members of this site. As for what I was around when I was a baby and my real father rode, if those are "real bikers", I'll stay a motorcycle enthusiast. My pops was a 1%er. And as I said before, he died for that rocker after rotting in the can for 6 years. Why? Some say cause of RICO, I say because of bad choices and bad company. I got a bike because I have always wanted to see what was so great. Guess what, they ARE in my blood, and I can't even begin to explain why they are so amazing. Am I running out and trying to be a badass with a bunch of other badasses? HELL NO! I know what it is about to me. Another reason you don't see as many little kids at events, is people are waiting longer to have kids, and as mentioned prior, laws involving kids have gotten way too strict (cause so many parents now have no accountability for their children). That being said. Sites like this, runs like the ones put on by people on here, and the people I have met through this site ARE what it is all about. A collective gathering of like-minded people, out to help one another, and have fun while doing it. Just to have a moment if you will, I want to thank Bill, McGoo, anyone else involved in this site, and everyone I have met on this site. Biker or not, your ok in my book. And I want to thank all the troops (especially my brother) overseas fighting for our freedom to do what we enjoy! No matter how times are changing, this is still the greatest country in the world!!! I hope that changes the mood of this thread a little bit. I'm done with my ramblings.

timhypo
05-05-2010, 9:16 PM
I don't understand this topic. IF you want that life to exist, pass it on to your kids. Weren't 1%ers named as such because 99% of 'our fellow americans' were jackasses? I'm 34, recently married, and about to start having kids. My kids are gonna grow up fixing shit when it breaks instead of replacing it. They're gonna buy american, WHEN THE PRODUCT IS BETTER, because it's the right thing to do, but they're not gonna support american companies that buy junk from other countries and slap a badge on it. They're gonna learn to cook dinner instead of microwaving some bullshit. They're gonna buy produce at the farm stand even if it's a 25 minute drive when the grocers around the corner. They're gonna eat at our local greasy spoon and shop at our local family-owned five and dime instead of eating McDonalds and shopping at Walmart and bitching about it being 'all they can afford'. They're gonna read a book instead of watch TV and play outside instead of playing video games. You can make it happen, but I don't think the majority of americans have ever been anything but sheep and, since that's easier and we're the fattest, laziest culture in the world, I doubt that'll change for the majority of us, but it can change for you. Lifestyles are gay, be your own person.

Also, though I think drugs should basically be legalized (not trying to get into a debate on THIS) and sex should never be a crime between consenting adults, I think given our current culture that it's smart for kids to think that their parents do not indulge until the honest talk with the teenager comes about. It sucks that someone could basically lose their kids over something no more addictive or inebriating than a beer, but that's the reality we live in.

SMChewy
05-05-2010, 9:25 PM
^^^^+1^^^^^^


Parents need accountability. The TV won't raise your child properly. It is up to parents to pass it on, and raise em right. Just like my parents taught me and my brother, my nephews already know how to turn a wrench. It started with their bicycles. You pop a tire, you learn how to change a tire, not run it up to the bike shop. Ok, now my rant is over.

Coco
05-06-2010, 10:00 AM
hey derakes im not trying to bag on anybody im just saying alot has changed since i was a kid. its a whole different attitude . and not a good one. riding bike used to be about friends, family and beer.


I think the problem is not just with bikers today, it with everyone it seems. I was a musician for a long time, playing in bands since I was in grade 9. There used to be bros and sense of brotherhood in the music scene and now it is everyone for themselves and most guys flake out and drop the ball. I think human nature is changing in general and not for the better. If you look you will people that are true but that is a hard search these days. I'm generalizing here but parents just don't bring their kids up like they used to. MileHigh's post above hits a good point about kids being raised by a TV and video games.

aephilli
05-06-2010, 10:56 AM
Diogenes would have an even harder time finding an honest man now.

DirtFloorJim
05-06-2010, 12:20 PM
Not so much concerned about the Good ol Days as much as just having a good day. Any day I get to ride is a good day!

MCKENNA209
05-06-2010, 2:00 PM
Well I tried to stay out of this one, but I will comment on what I have seen in my life personally. I can remember being in love with the "good ol biker" since I was really young. My family would go up to Lake Tahoe a couple times a year and on the way up we would always stop at Silver Lake to eat lunch/let the car rest for a while. While we were there I would alway run to the arcade(one pinball machine in a shed at Kays) to see what was going on. There were allway a group of bikers there taking a break as well. My parents(an ex Catholic priest and my mom) were not scared to let me mingle with the bikers in the arcade. I would go in and if it was crowded one of them would lift me on to their shoulders so that I could see the action. Good times for sure.
There were a couple of times my aunt locked her keys in the trunk. There were times when we would barley make it because the cars were running like shit(vapor lock). The bikers always helped out. In my personal experience I think a big part of the downfall of the good ol biker was crank. I have known quite a few of these fellas who once were great guys and most of them are in prison now because of that shit. At this point in time in my opinion there are a ton of younger guys building and riding bikes just because they love it and there is a ton of great stuff being built. The real biker is still out there.

Sawbones
05-06-2010, 4:01 PM
In my personal experience I think a big part of the downfall of the good ol biker was crank. I have known quite a few of these fellas who once were great guys and most of them are in prison now because of that shit. At this point in time in my opinion there are a ton of younger guys building and riding bikes just because they love it and there is a ton of great stuff being built.

Yeah, make no mistake though. There are a lot of younger guys out there who are into motorcycles and crank as well.



Diogenes would have an even harder time finding an honest man now.

Whoa crazy, Diogenes at Chop Cult!

MCKENNA209
05-06-2010, 5:47 PM
[QUOTE=Sawbones;60649]Yeah, make no mistake though. There are a lot of younger guys out there who are into motorcycles and crank as well.

Very true.

TexasTC
05-06-2010, 6:16 PM
Have you checked the local Starbucks? Especially on sunday evenings.

beanhead78
05-06-2010, 6:40 PM
as the op of this thread, i didnt mean to offend anyone or make myself sound cool. truthfully i was half assed drunk when i started this. i guess in my mind i was thinking about how i grew up and how i was raised. things were alot different for me since i grew up with my dad being in a club. i was always included in everything since the day i was born, very rarely was i at a sitters. now half sober reading my posts i realize it didnt come out the way i was thinking. to me things are different today it seems like most people are worried about how cool they are instead just going with it. but thats just my opinion. im in the process of moving and i was going through old pictures and started thinking about how much fun i had when i was a kid being around bikes and crazy ass people which treated me like i was their own kid 7 days a week. shit i didnt get anytail from the old lady for about a month one time because i rode my five year old up the street with no helmet. thats how i was raised and thats how she was raised. all i was saying is shit was different back then. i could go on and on. but im sorry if anyone took it the wrong way and if you did fuck off

xllance
05-06-2010, 7:18 PM
as the op of this thread, i didnt mean to offend anyone or make myself sound cool. truthfully i was half assed drunk when i started this. i guess in my mind i was thinking about how i grew up and how i was raised. things were alot different for me since i grew up with my dad being in a club. i was always included in everything since the day i was born, very rarely was i at a sitters. now half sober reading my posts i realize it didnt come out the way i was thinking. to me things are different today it seems like most people are worried about how cool they are instead just going with it. but thats just my opinion. im in the process of moving and i was going through old pictures and started thinking about how much fun i had when i was a kid being around bikes and crazy ass people which treated me like i was their own kid 7 days a week. shit i didnt get anytail from the old lady for about a month one time because i rode my five year old up the street with no helmet. thats how i was raised and thats how she was raised. all i was saying is shit was different back then. i could go on and on. but im sorry if anyone took it the wrong way and if you did fuck off

Hehehe!! I love the way you end your posts, I mean, you tie it all up nicely!

cartoonThunder
05-06-2010, 7:30 PM
New to the forum, but I heard what you were saying. I started riding in the late 80's and there was still some good spirit happening. Ran with some good folks and took a few wrong turns with them.

Times changed, and the face of harley riders has changed. You've heard the term "rubbies". Tool kit is too often a cell phone and a credit card.

rus
05-07-2010, 9:04 AM
This really has nothing to do with bikes, even though those may have been a lot of your experiences. It's just about the time and social climate. I remember all the same experiences many of you had, just replace bikes with custom vans and softball games. Same shit though. A party every weekend. Lots of kids playing. Bands. I don't remember ever driving anyplace with my dad and him not having a 6 pack on the floor and a joint in the ashtray. It was never out of control or harmful though, it was just life. It did lead to me starting drugs at 9, but whatever.
its just a different world now for most people. We grew up with a different sense of family back then. It sucks, but it doesn't have to be the end. It is what you make it.,

bagodonuts
05-15-2010, 6:36 PM
^^^^^co-signed^^^^^

wildcard
05-16-2010, 2:16 AM
for one one thing, neighbors were your friends, not the neighborhood watch. you could have some fun, and not worry about the cops being called every five minutes. If the cops came they just said "keep it down will ya" not haul your ass to jail. Hell, we used to ride and pass beers between bikes. It was about the riding, and being with your friends. Now its the yuppie freaks, and safety nazis, lobbying government for more laws to restrict your freedoms..They want to save ourselves from ourselves.. We all are supposed to be politically correct now. How dare us expose our children to such a lifestyle, when half of us were raised that way.

primer
05-16-2010, 6:30 AM
This really has nothing to do with bikes, even though those may have been a lot of your experiences. It's just about the time and social climate. I remember all the same experiences many of you had, just replace bikes with custom vans and softball games. Same shit though. A party every weekend. Lots of kids playing. Bands. I don't remember ever driving anyplace with my dad and him not having a 6 pack on the floor and a joint in the ashtray. It was never out of control or harmful though, it was just life. It did lead to me starting drugs at 9, but whatever.
its just a different world now for most people. We grew up with a different sense of family back then. It sucks, but it doesn't have to be the end. It is what you make it.,

+2

Reg
05-16-2010, 7:40 AM
I don't have time to read all this but did read some and a lot of it turned my stomach. I could go into my feelings on why most of my generation is lame, and the one after is Lamer, but WHY. Everyone can't be cool.
I prefer to live my life,stay true to my opinions, raise my daughter right and ride when I want and hopefully I'll gravitate to like minded people. I think when you do that you'll have good times like our parents did.

StoneHead
05-16-2010, 8:10 AM
Couple of points from a gray beard:

What happened to the "Real Biker Lifestyle"?
Nothing. You just have to know where to look.
Clubs are still about brotherhood, basically. But the difference now is 1% clubs make their nut by doing shit that isn't , for the most part, on the up and up leading to territorial wars that involve more than just fists, chains and bats. Hence, No kidz being involved as much in meets and such. That's changing though with the implementation of the CoC. Obviously that's club life though.

As far as real "Bikers". I grew up hanging around 1% clubs. I know bikers and I know "enthusiasts". And to be perfectly honest, in all the words above, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's attitude and desire. "Bikers" would rather ride then fuck. They would rather spend a day wrenching on their ride with no success than dragging it to a stealership and get bent over. All weather, all seasons, no excuses, no apologies.

You want to see "Real Bikers" check out Q-Balls pictures and book. That's the "Real Life"

Finally, your judged and branded a "Biker" by others, you can't just brand yourself. In all the time I rode, wrenched and hung out with clubs, I never considered myself a "Biker" until I started being called one by others. Not that I necessarily like being branded.

Ok, maybe not finally but....
As far as kidz, The guy from the vegas crew hammered that one home. You have to include them yourselves and be willing to swim upstream because of the perception of the masses when it comes to biker events. We include the kidz of members in whatever we can. But there are just some parties or events that won't be kid safe.

Just my nickel and truth is a matter of perception.

fatass
05-16-2010, 10:29 AM
Jesse James and Billy Lane kicked all of their collective asses and sold said asses to TLC and Discovery.

Then they wereall turned into Pauls; maybe a Mikey here and there.

Biking, and chopperdom, as we know it, are over since Jesse fucked his attempt at world domination (as well as a plasticy skank) and Billy is in the hoosegow.

Sell your shit and move to the 'burbs. You're IN the modern day 1% clubhouse, mister. The "Biker Forum". We're ALL 1% in here, each more 1% than the rest.

Revelator
05-16-2010, 11:22 AM
for one one thing, neighbors were your friends, not the neighborhood watch. you could have some fun, and not worry about the cops being called every five minutes. If the cops came they just said "keep it down will ya" not haul your ass to jail. Hell, we used to ride and pass beers between bikes. It was about the riding, and being with your friends. Now its the yuppie freaks, and safety nazis, lobbying government for more laws to restrict your freedoms..They want to save ourselves from ourselves.. We all are supposed to be politically correct now. How dare us expose our children to such a lifestyle, when half of us were raised that way.

Yep, We are in a nanny state, Time for "Bikers" to stand up to this nonsense! How can we
do this? How about more Biker parties! More noise! More topless women!
Let's keep the Sixties vibe going in the name of FREEDOM.

wildcard
05-19-2010, 8:11 PM
where is your heart at! my daughters grew up with ten to twenty bikes parked in a row with a couple guys passed-out in the yard. never allowed anyone to roll dope or smoke it in front of them and got REAL shitty with 2 life-long brothers that DID.sent them on their way. as for as my daughters, grew up real with college eds.married wealthy and the grandchildren are little rocket scientists. have a son older than them who is graphic designer/paralegal and thinks if you ride a bike, you are trash. to each their own and i hope when it rains, he doesnt drown. point is, no one has ever been anything but respectful to my kids, but somehow this is a different world. not a bad one, just different. i got bad treatment at a national park several years ago and who the hell says you cant drink beer and set by the fire past 10 p.m.FTW! trust in yourself for in your final moment,thats all you have!

edward
05-20-2010, 5:12 AM
Couple of points from a gray beard:

What happened to the "Real Biker Lifestyle"?
Nothing. You just have to know where to look.
Clubs are still about brotherhood, basically. But the difference now is 1% clubs make their nut by doing shit that isn't , for the most part, on the up and up leading to territorial wars that involve more than just fists, chains and bats. Hence, No kidz being involved as much in meets and such. That's changing though with the implementation of the CoC. Obviously that's club life though.

As far as real "Bikers". I grew up hanging around 1% clubs. I know bikers and I know "enthusiasts". And to be perfectly honest, in all the words above, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's attitude and desire. "Bikers" would rather ride then fuck. They would rather spend a day wrenching on their ride with no success than dragging it to a stealership and get bent over. All weather, all seasons, no excuses, no apologies.

You want to see "Real Bikers" check out Q-Balls pictures and book. That's the "Real Life"

Finally, your judged and branded a "Biker" by others, you can't just brand yourself. In all the time I rode, wrenched and hung out with clubs, I never considered myself a "Biker" until I started being called one by others. Not that I necessarily like being branded.

Ok, maybe not finally but....
As far as kidz, The guy from the vegas crew hammered that one home. You have to include them yourselves and be willing to swim upstream because of the perception of the masses when it comes to biker events. We include the kidz of members in whatever we can. But there are just some parties or events that won't be kid safe.

Just my nickel and truth is a matter of perception.

best thing i've read all week. thanks.

me and my dad:
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o172/nunyadambusiness/vintage/dad-me-2bsa.jpg

aephilli
05-20-2010, 6:25 AM
as the op of this thread, i didnt mean to offend anyone ........ but im sorry if anyone took it the wrong way and if you did fuck off


THAT is the "true biker" attitude!

aephilli
05-20-2010, 6:30 AM
Whoa crazy, Diogenes at Chop Cult!


He'd have better luck with his search here than in the general population of the US.

aephilli
05-20-2010, 6:33 AM
More topless women!
.

I'll vote for that!

Sighless
05-20-2010, 10:21 AM
The real biker is fewer and farther between. I guess my thought is "what is your definition of a biker?"
My guess is they don't spend as much time on the internet as some of us do. (aren't I funny)


I don't claim to be one. I just love to ride, always have. I don't belong to any club, hell most of my close friends don't ride or ride crotch rockets.

http://www.gotoquiz.com/r_u_a_real_biker

According to this I am a BIKER!! Yay, now I need a vest and some patches!!

Spade115
05-20-2010, 11:01 AM
I agree that it is far and in between. Even those you see in clubs might not be bikers in the traditional sense.

If I had the skills or time, I would love to modify the yamaha frame I have to fit my blast motor, but since I dont I have to have it done. I ride every day and my girlfriend rides with me and understands I would sell my truck befor I considered selling another bike again. (Various reasons I got screwed on all)

I dont ride with a club but have and cant seem to put too much trust in the people I ride with as is (including my dad).

Honestly find the people actually willing to help and take it one day at a time. I remember see'ing kids on the back of bikes every now and then but now if you throw your kid on the back of one, you have people calling the cops for "bad parenting" but if they go out and beat on their kids its "ok".

Its just harder to find people you can trust. But there are some great people willing to help out there.

BlueCollarMoto
05-20-2010, 11:09 AM
I blame milk and cookies!
Just soooo damn good!

<a href="http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/?action=view&current=3319936160_0e4b7296c7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/3319936160_0e4b7296c7.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/?action=view&current=-MilkAndCookiesThinkwhatabetterworl.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/-MilkAndCookiesThinkwhatabetterworl.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/?action=view&current=milkandcookies.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/milkandcookies.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/?action=view&current=theshiningmilkandcookiesedition.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/BlueCollarChris/theshiningmilkandcookiesedition.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I just always figured that if you have to call yourself a biker.................
Just a lable for other people to use. Just ride the fuck out of your two weeled death machine and let those who have to classify everything so they can know there place wory about it.

As far as the way things were in the 60's and 70's. I miss it. Except for the computer!

landman76
05-20-2010, 2:37 PM
Well Beanhead, me and my friends ride as much as possible and are always working on our bike(s) or friends bikes. When we have cookouts/bonfires we invite friends and kids are welcome. We lend a hand when we can. We love beer....Too bad you're up in MI man, sounds like we'd get along pretty well, hahaha.

johnnybx3
05-21-2010, 9:15 PM
the good life is still around you are just hanging out with the wrong cats.

BSAketcase
05-21-2010, 10:53 PM
As far as "bikers" fuck labels how bout real people being real that's the root of what I think your trying to find ...

He's got it... Everyone remembers or hears stories from their pops of the good ol' days. As much as this cliche has been beat to death, its all about just being yourself and surrounding yourself with the environment you wanna be in, that's all they were doing back then. This new "green/live in a bubble" world we live in now makes it harder to do, but this problem solving, thinking outside the box, culture we're into, gives us an advantage. The laws are more strict, but we'll work around em. Point being; Go have fun, make your friend's life easier, your enemy's harder, and show the uptight assholes there's more to life than fame N fortune. And finally don't try to re-live the "good ol days" and you just might make some of your own,,,

wildcard
05-21-2010, 11:13 PM
most cant even to pretend to keep up.

slumchop
05-21-2010, 11:48 PM
everything is supposed to PG or PG-13 so we dont hurt the conservatives feelings, and taking your kids into the real world now is dangerous and harmful and neglectful. I grew up very much like you. I guess now most of these so called "real men" need to take out their tampon, man up and realize all this hiding, protecting, and just lying to our kids today isnt doing any damn good but blinding them to real life. put the fucking care bear down and have some god damn fun. the kids arent gonna get broke, or irreperably damaged. teach them right from wrong, respect and honesty and its all good. we still get together drink, wrench, swear, and talk shit with the guys and family, and our kids are doing just fine and they are their along side us just like we were with our parents, relatives and family friends.

wildcard
05-22-2010, 12:31 AM
i think slumchop offered up a good summary and answer to the original blog. i have never claimed to be a "biker" as the world has pointed fingers and whispered crap.

wildcard
05-22-2010, 12:37 AM
those that dont know me, hate me. those that know me cant stand me........

StoneHead
05-22-2010, 6:36 AM
everything is supposed to PG or PG-13 so we dont hurt the conservatives feelings, and taking your kids into the real world now is dangerous and harmful and neglectful. I grew up very much like you. I guess now most of these so called "real men" need to take out their tampon, man up and realize all this hiding, protecting, and just lying to our kids today isnt doing any damn good but blinding them to real life. put the fucking care bear down and have some god damn fun. the kids arent gonna get broke, or irreperably damaged. teach them right from wrong, respect and honesty and its all good. we still get together drink, wrench, swear, and talk shit with the guys and family, and our kids are doing just fine and they are their along side us just like we were with our parents, relatives and family friends.

+10

greenslc
05-22-2010, 10:11 PM
As a member of one of the big national clubs, I can say that the "biker" does still exist, in many of the ways it did in the past. My brothers are my family, thier kids are my kids, and thier problems are my problems. We have parties, and kids are around and welcomed, as they are part of the family.

But talking to the old timers, its a lot different now. Way more heat, way more hassles, but overall its worth it to me.

QBALL
05-23-2010, 2:44 PM
If you want to see what happens to little kids who grow up in 70’s, then check this out
http://vtwinbiker.com/BikerPhotos/DTMMC_Then/dtmmc_then.html

Long May You Ride,
Q-Ball
qball@vtwinbiker.com
www.VtwinBiker.com

http://vtwinbiker.com/BikerPhotos/DTMMC_Then/DTMMCThen2.jpg

StoneHead
05-23-2010, 3:48 PM
Hahaha!! Priceless

BlueCollarMoto
05-24-2010, 10:40 PM
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We stoped raping, piliging, and drinking till the wee hours of the morning. And a bunch of other things.

willythepirate
05-25-2010, 12:24 AM
Its like that Willie Nelson song "They all went to Mexico"

Flashback
05-27-2010, 5:57 AM
I am a product of the 50's and 60's my kid grew up a lot like you but if I did that in todays society I would be locked up and the kid gone. What happened is liberals, do gooders and political correctness. The old guys that made it through are still out there in the wind riding our old home made rattle traps living the lifestyle or as close to it as they will allow us but those days aren't ever coming back. In the old days three groups owned Harleys, Cops, Outlaws and Shriners that was about it. When the yuppies decided Harley's were a status symbol and made them cool they saved the motor company but brought a lot of bad crap with em. If you have ever seen pics of Sturgis in the old days compare that to what it is today ... nothing more than a how much crap call you sell fest. I don't mean to get on a soap box here but since you asked these are the answers from someone who was there in the "Golden Age" of bikerdom. Choppers were home made and my kid learned to weld helping me on the scoot in the garge. Now you just take 150 thousand down to OCC and put your new ride in a trailer tow it to whatever event you are going to attend ride it up and down main street a coupel time to make sure everyone knows how cool you are and trailer it home.. And they call themselves bikers... it's a ad state of affairs but it is what it is and aint gonna change anytime soon. So enjoy those old easy riders and dream of those times thats about the best you can hope for. I
may be gettin old but I still ride rigid, refuse to wear black leather anything, ride in my levi's, an old brown leather buffalo hide jacket and usually in converse allstars and a t-shirt (not black). Oh and off the subject a second... Who ever decided that chaps belong off a horse and on a motorcycle? if you ever lose a front tire on a stretched front end at freeway speeds your gonna learn in a hurry that the one part of your body you want covered aint (your ass)...

for anyone clicking on my avatar the coat is actually brown not black and yes even old farts succomb to commercialism thos are Oakley's I'm wearing sorry...

josh
05-27-2010, 7:17 AM
this whole thing is a little silly aint it? what IS a real biker anyways? 1%er? i see more and more of these hipster kids who have something to prove showing up on their shitty bikes every where i go. got to have the right tattoos, drink the right beer, wear the right brand of flannel, have some $30 trucker hat from a no name shop..... a bunch of trendy bullshit is what it is. is THAT what we're calling "real" these days?

there's a lot of romanticizing going on here. which is fine. as humans we have a tendency to think of the past fondly, as a better, "truer" time. the reality is it wasn't.

the entire idea of discussing what it means to "be a real biker" is pathetic. ride your bikes and quit worrying about being "real" for fucks sake.

Anstine
05-27-2010, 7:32 AM
I grew up the same way, although a little bit latter (late 80s early 90s) I used to ride on the tank of my dads ratty sportster. My step dad was an enforcer for a club, and i can remember going to the clubhouse once with him. Also long haired bearded dudes covered in tattoos wearing big sunglasses smelling like booze 24 seven. We lived right down the street from the local bar that had David Mann paintings reproduced on the walls with Sharpies. They were the reasons i started drawing. I also remember my step dad going to prison on a dealing charge and my mom having my little sister while he was away, and i also remember seeing all the blood in the parking lot of the bar after my step dads best friend got shot in the head. We took his truck to go pick him up and take him to the hospital. I also rememver my step dad racing up and down the dirt road we lived on drunk as fuck and crashing his dresser and ripping off his ankle and smashing his pelvis. Pretty gnarly shit. I just got myself my first "grown up" motorcycle as it were and i love riding, but i know that i dont plan on going the route my parents did. I have no interest in prospecting for anyone unlike a lot of kids these days. Not my bag.

billdozer
05-27-2010, 8:07 AM
I think this thread has run it's course. Ride your motorcycle!

primer
05-27-2010, 1:48 PM
I think this thread has run it's course. Ride your motorcycle!

+10

ITZ4me515
05-27-2010, 2:07 PM
I'm sort of concerned what everyone is implying what a real biker should be or is.

Is it a look, should I dress like my uncles, get the same tatts as my father and go for chicks that look like my aunts. Should I ride a bike that is an exact replica of something I've seen in a biker movie that was made 30 years ago

-or-

Is a biker someone whom lives to ride, when they wanna ride and how they wanna ride on whatever they have to ride - It's not a look people, it's a fucking lifestye, much like punk rock, sort of the same world ! If your trying your failing...

I couldn't agree more.

What is a real biker anymore? Does it mean you are an old school 1%er...or you ride in the wind rain & snow...or you go to every biker rally...or you ride your own garage built chop...or you just love riding whenever you can...just be who you are, then you are a real biker.

Quit judging other people because they aren't like you...maybe they don't want to be.

StoneHead
05-27-2010, 3:10 PM
hahaha! You guys are killin me.
Gettin upset and all parental over guys shootin the shit and reminiscing about what was or is real or not.
WTF do you care.
No one is getting called out or arguing.

The question was, what happened to real bikers. Just look at the fuckin pics from the parties and shows posted on this site. Those are all real bikers and nothing happened to them, they're born every generation. You don't have to be your dad, or chase skirt or get tattoo'd or smell like booze. You have to love motorcycles and ride. That's it. Don't matter if your a patch holder, a back yard hack or a shop rat. Don't matter if your a corporate attorney, a bar tender or a banker.

The only things that matters is the bike, the ride and the fun.

QBALL
05-28-2010, 4:49 AM
"The only things that matters is the bike, the ride and the fun"
AHMEN

albertahawk
05-28-2010, 12:37 PM
i have to put in my post in this one i find that its not bikers its not punks its not any of these past "lifestyles" that have disappeared its society as a whole.every thing in this god for saken land we call home. i always laugh when i watch tv its all killing and drugs and reality shit that no one wants to watch but its like a god damn train wreck and you just have to look. but then there is some stupid disclaimer saying this may offend you and is not good for children where was this in the 80's or 70's it wasnt there people were watching happy days and loving life but more or less spending their life doing quality things not worring about who they are going to sue for what or what offends them on tv or radio. generally the whold society has become soft and the ones that are left that do live the "biker way of life" so to speak are few and far between. what happened to being an honest person and standing true to yourself?? also the kids thing there are fewer white families having children and alot fewer who do have children that find it all to easy to sit their kids infront of a video game or tv then to teach good morals and socialize their children. so us less candied dudes are getting bread out of our contry and lifestyles get used to it its going to get worse over time.

83shovelhead
05-28-2010, 5:18 PM
Yeah - the bikerstyle barter system - Will trade 2004 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Dually 6.0 Power Stroke Diesel for Harley Big Twin(s) of equal value - from shovelheads on up as long as they're running. Many thanks to all.

beanhead78
05-28-2010, 8:49 PM
hahaha! You guys are killin me.
Gettin upset and all parental over guys shootin the shit and reminiscing about what was or is real or not.
WTF do you care.
No one is getting called out or arguing.

The question was, what happened to real bikers. Just look at the fuckin pics from the parties and shows posted on this site. Those are all real bikers and nothing happened to them, they're born every generation. You don't have to be your dad, or chase skirt or get tattoo'd or smell like booze. You have to love motorcycles and ride. That's it. Don't matter if your a patch holder, a back yard hack or a shop rat. Don't matter if your a corporate attorney, a bar tender or a banker.

The only things that matters is the bike, the ride and the fun.
this was pretty much my point and 3/4 of you douchebags took it the wrong way. i wasnt talking about 1% bad motherfers i was talking about shit that i remember growing up. now its all you scenesters thinking your the cats ass , talking shit. ill be in ohio the 19th come shake my hand if youd like if not fuck off. you guys are too fuckin serious

SMChewy
05-28-2010, 9:08 PM
this was pretty much my point and 3/4 of you douchebags took it the wrong way. i wasnt talking about 1% bad motherfers i was talking about shit that i remember growing up. now its all you scenesters thinking your the cats ass , talking shit. ill be in ohio the 19th come shake my hand if youd like if not fuck off. you guys are too fuckin serious

Ha ha. Breathe deep Beanhead, count to ten. Better now? Just kiddin man. I get what your saying, it's just different people will interpret things differently. And like me, I could only describe the type of stuff I remember from way back when. But I'm with ya, and see what your sayin. But the answer to your question also lies within people on this site. I think the people you are looking for and looking to hang with are right here. From what I gathered from your comments, and some others on here, CC is a good place to find these like minded people. I started a thread trying to scrounge up some cheap parts for a build for my brother who is in Afghanistan with the Army right now, and have gotten a ton of free-bees. All because they want to help another person get out and ride, and pay respects to vets. That's pretty fucking cool if you ask me, and in my book, that's a real biker. All about helping one another out, and all about the love of riding. I won't be in Ohio, but if your coming to TBR, I'd be happy to shake to your hand and have a beer with ya, crack some jokes, and just have a good time. And I'm even pretty good with entertaining kids if ya got them with ya. Ha ha.

beanhead78
05-28-2010, 9:15 PM
hey man about the deep breath thing. i dont think ive ever been really pissed off in my whole life. a little stressed but never really pissed off. i guess alot of people didnt get my point. oh well....

SMChewy
05-28-2010, 9:18 PM
Ahhh, just givin ya shit man. Sounds like you've had a fucked up day dealin with your bike, hope you get that shit figured out. I sure would be pissed by now.

beanhead78
05-28-2010, 9:28 PM
actually i am pretty pissed, i think thats what the brits call it. no i had a good day, bikes not running but i called this dude i met on the jj , that lives here in flint . came by gave me a big hand. come to find out he used to ride with a club called "The Fuckits" and he used to hang with my dad . we drank about a 30 pack of natty and he told me his stories all day. hes bringing me a battery tomorrow. i had a pretty good day. oh if if your on the jj his name is browder hes a solid dude.

SMChewy
05-28-2010, 9:33 PM
A good day of wrenching, drinkin beer, and story swappin. Sounds like a damn good day to me! Bike finished or not. I've been stuck at work, but will be locked in my garage all next week. That is till my bike is put back together of course. Too bad your not in Denver, part of my project is ditching the battery in my bike. Got a almost new one sittin in the garage. Guess it'll make a good paper weight.

beanhead78
05-28-2010, 9:42 PM
its funny how small of a world it is. here i am hanging out with a dude 20+ yrs older than me that i met on the computer that used to run with my dad in the early 70s. good day for sure.

SMChewy
05-28-2010, 9:50 PM
its funny how small of a world it is. here i am hanging out with a dude 20+ yrs older than me that i met on the computer that used to run with my dad in the early 70s. good day for sure.
Now that's a good story. Too cool man.

StoneHead
05-29-2010, 10:31 AM
its funny how small of a world it is. here i am hanging out with a dude 20+ yrs older than me that i met on the computer that used to run with my dad in the early 70s. good day for sure.

I couldn't have fabricated a better example of what it's all about.