PDA

View Full Version : Happy government shutdown day



PeanutHead
10-01-2013, 10:41 AM
Yup, only 4 hours of work and won't get paid for it until AFTER the furlough ends. Anywhere from one to 30 days in a row this time. YAY!

sportysrock
10-01-2013, 10:55 AM
Hi Mr. Non-essential!

:cool:

Sent with :-)

pirate2876
10-01-2013, 10:58 AM
You can thank your boys on the right for the time off.

Remember Ted Cruz helped you take some mandatory, unpaid time off when he runs for president in 2016...

junkyardxl
10-01-2013, 11:08 AM
its time for a fucking riot. im tired of hearing about left or rights or ups or downs.

JMFNC
10-01-2013, 12:27 PM
Anarchyburger, hold the government.

So.....does this mean I can buy cocaine or morphine now?

Redhorsetattoo
10-01-2013, 12:50 PM
I just hope they stay shut down. I'm looking forward to not paying them taxes.

Rubman
10-01-2013, 12:55 PM
Anarchyburger, hold the government.

So.....does this mean I can buy cocaine or morphine now?

love me some vandals, nigga!

but really, this is actually awful for a few reasons. Freedom Of Information Act requests are no longer being processed, which essentially puts an end to investigative journalism until these douche sandwiches get their shit together.

Irish1971
10-01-2013, 1:30 PM
love me some vandals, nigga!

but really, this is actually awful for a few reasons. Freedom Of Information Act requests are no longer being processed, which essentially puts an end to investigative journalism until these douche sandwiches get their shit together.

Investigative journalism lol. The media just sucks Obongo's asshole and reports on how good it is. Shut that mother down.

BigRod13
10-01-2013, 1:49 PM
Anarchyburger, hold the government.

So all "non-essential" government functions are shut down, and you're just excited to urinate on some cheese? You need to broaden your scope, man

whiskeyhangover
10-01-2013, 2:13 PM
800,000 nonessential government employees are on furlough.

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/01%20not%20a%20single%20fuck.jpg

whiskeyhangover
10-01-2013, 2:14 PM
love me some vandals, nigga!

but really, this is actually awful for a few reasons. Freedom Of Information Act requests are no longer being processed, which essentially puts an end to investigative journalism until these douche sandwiches get their shit together.

This implies that there has been any actual investigative journalism going on.

ARBY
10-01-2013, 3:55 PM
You can thank your boys on the right for the time off.

Remember Ted Cruz helped you take some mandatory, unpaid time off when he runs for president in 2016...

No, the shut down was the result of that petulant child you elected king stamping his feet. Ted Cruz can not shut down the government but obammy can when he doesn't get his way and have his legacy funded.

muttblbc
10-01-2013, 4:14 PM
I think you got that backwards arby, not that Id piss on either one of em if they where on fire...

72chrysler
10-01-2013, 4:25 PM
No, the shut down was the result of that petulant child you elected king stamping his feet. Ted Cruz can not shut down the government but obammy can when he doesn't get his way and have his legacy funded.

Interesting.

See, what actually happened, is the president of this country proposed a (very unpopular) bill which was then passed by a majority, through the constitutional process that this country's constitution prescribes. Then, when some people got shitty about it and made a stink, the United States Supreme Fucking Court upheld it, again in the name of the constitution. Incidentally, this is funny because the same people who threw the fit claim the constitution as their holy grail to rationalize all kinds of irrelevant shit. Then, according to the recognized law of the land, this unpopular bill became what's known as a Law, and it no longer mattered whether anybody liked it or not, because it was a fucking Law. The most ridiculous part is that the very same assholes who dragged the whole thing through gutter trying to kill it, while offering absolutely no alternative nor compromise, think that the blame is somehow shared when they refuse to do their job (passing an unrelated, necessary budget) because they don't personally approve of a Law.

I hate every piece of shit in washington, both parties alike, but you know what?
I stop for red lights, even though I hate them too.

muttblbc
10-01-2013, 4:43 PM
The problem with American politics is its inherent selfishness. Im not talking about selfishness in the sense of greed, of wanting to amass power, or wanting to keep your tax money for yourself instead of sending it out in the world to "fix things" but the moral selfishness of never being to admit wrong if its conflicts with what you want. The rampant, in your face shameless hypocrisy thats allowed to exist because both sides are so entrenched that stepping back and calling bullshit is either dismissed as whining if your on the other side, or straight up treason if your on the same. Until we have the maturity to say, "hey, even if I agree with what this guy ultimately wants, what hes doing right now is fucking embarrassing" we are doomed.

geezer2
10-01-2013, 4:53 PM
Anyone seen "Olympus has Fallen?" Only in my dreams man!!!

JMFNC
10-01-2013, 5:05 PM
So all "non-essential" government functions are shut down, and you're just excited to urinate on some cheese? You need to broaden your scope, man

No, I want to shoot a speedball and ride helmetless down the street with a full auto ak47 with a big ass mag strapped to my back while I cruise for hookers. What do you want to do?

Knuckleduster
10-01-2013, 5:20 PM
No, I want to shoot a speedball and ride helmetless down the street with a full auto ak47 with a big ass mag strapped to my back while I cruise for hookers. What do you want to do?

My bro once drove across town with an Ak47 on his back, though he had not done any speedball, nor was he looking for hookers, nor was it full auto, he was helmetless. Just a fight with his ol' lady, he needed to remove it from their residence for a short time. He ended up at a buddy's house, who happened to have several guests over at the time of his (unexpected) arrival.

*oh yeah, I almost forgot,
ya'll (yeah that's a muthafuckin Okie word!) need to wake up!
There is no fucking left or fucking right shit, open your eyes!

JMFNC
10-01-2013, 5:30 PM
<img src="http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee213/johnnyrentcheck/cbf82a3e.jpg" height="640" width="480">

Closest I've been, rode my son out to the airsoft field last year.

muttblbc
10-01-2013, 5:36 PM
A buddy rode his tallbike (double decker bike) through the quarter naked with a shot gun on his back during katrina. No reason, just wanted to see if he could get away with it. National guard just laughed their asses off at him.

muttblbc
10-01-2013, 5:57 PM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f322/muttblbc/moose_zps33c97803.jpg (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/muttblbc/media/moose_zps33c97803.jpg.html)

PeanutHead
10-01-2013, 6:40 PM
One other thing pissed me off (not really related to today) is that MD now has super strict new gun laws. SO, two weeks ago I tried to buy a 30 round mag for my AR online and was denied. Guess I'll have to have my bro in PA order the uber-mag just because now.

gonzoguilt
10-01-2013, 7:55 PM
Any of you think that the info given in this thread http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33093&highlight=theorists has anything to do with this? Pre-planned maybe? (I didn't look too much into seeing if the information was cited or not)

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 8:02 AM
The problem with American politics is its inherent selfishness. Im not talking about selfishness in the sense of greed, of wanting to amass power, or wanting to keep your tax money for yourself instead of sending it out in the world to "fix things" but the moral selfishness of never being to admit wrong if its conflicts with what you want. The rampant, in your face shameless hypocrisy thats allowed to exist because both sides are so entrenched that stepping back and calling bullshit is either dismissed as whining if your on the other side, or straight up treason if your on the same. Until we have the maturity to say, "hey, even if I agree with what this guy ultimately wants, what hes doing right now is fucking embarrassing" we are doomed.

The inherent selfishness of the modern voter.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

diy570
10-02-2013, 8:22 AM
The inherent selfishness of the modern voter.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

this country was never meant to be a democracy, but it happened. they just kept calling it a democracy and finally somewhere around the 80's, people thought we were a democracy. my guess is obama will be the first dictator, i have a feeling he won't be leaving office in 2016.

perryb
10-02-2013, 8:24 AM
Non essential here. I get free vacation

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 8:30 AM
I've been following the WWII vets and the memorial story that's been happening since yesterday.

As of today the WWII memorial is being blockaded by gates held together with zip ties. Vets are planning to crash it today.

I hope our petulant man-child wannabe be dictator president tries to have them arrested, the back fire on this will be delicious.

The WWII memorial is built mostly on private funds not government funds.
Memorials have never been closed due to shutdowns in the past.

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 8:39 AM
this country was never meant to be a democracy, but it happened. they just kept calling it a democracy and finally somewhere around the 80's, people thought we were a democracy. my guess is obama will be the first dictator, i have a feeling he won't be leaving office in 2016.

that's an old quote (1800's) that is attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville from Democracy in America.

This is the same guy that said assimilating blacks into society would be almost impossible and take a really long time, and that the american indian would eventually go extinct.

The guy was fuckin scary in how accurate he was.

RetroRob
10-02-2013, 9:42 AM
Started to effect me. Just had a photography demo I was doing on the Gettysburg battlefield cancel. $1200 for an hours work, I'm not going to get the panhead finished that way.

ThrownOlive
10-02-2013, 9:48 AM
800,000 people all missing a paycheck and not being certain about the next one is bad news for the economy because that uncertainty is mirrored in the communities around them. You can believe what you'd like, but any assumption that our govt doesn't serve a necessary function is foolish and shortsighted(if only because of the simple economic functions gov employees serve).

Investigative journalism happens every day, although it does require you to read. I used FOIA requests easy two or three times a month on regular bread and butted stories, not hard news style investigative stuff.

This is terrorism in its most cowardly form. Cruz and his buddies are showing they hate the democratic process and are willing to starve the poor, withhold pay, squelch our access to govt information all because they lost(repeatedly).

Jetblack
10-02-2013, 10:10 AM
The economic down turn we've been in? It's statistically worse than it was during the great depression... mums the word of how bad it is though... because prentending it doesn't exist might build enough confidence to make it rebound, sound economic strategy... stick the fingers in the ears, close the eyes, and repeat lalala long eough and hopefully it's all gone when you plug back into reality. Our politicans for the most part can't identify with the working class, have no idea what struggle means. Yet they are supposed to be representing us and working in our best interests?

Fucking Pelosi said America being down graded to part time from corps not wanting to pay for the health care plans would get rid of the 40 hour week, that Americans should celebrate that they then have the time to pursue hobbies and other interests. Yeah Pelosi, everyone in the US works just for something to do with all that free time, they don't really need to... they just want to out of boredom. Holy fucking shit... when we have represenatives that think like that? Game over, we are fucking done as a country if we can't get those fucking people that can't relate out of office.

Make them all swap lives with someone that works at McDonalds, has to ride the bus or walk just barely scraping by hand to mouth, and the only food they can afford to eat is a wrong order... before running for office, if they refuse no job in politics... then maybe they'll fucking get it.

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 10:13 AM
800,000 people all missing a paycheck and not being certain about the next one is bad news for the economy because that uncertainty is mirrored in the communities around them. You can believe what you'd like, but any assumption that our govt doesn't serve a necessary function is foolish and shortsighted(if only because of the simple economic functions gov employees serve).

Investigative journalism happens every day, although it does require you to read. I used FOIA requests easy two or three times a month on regular bread and butted stories, not hard news style investigative stuff.

This is terrorism in its most cowardly form. Cruz and his buddies are showing they hate the democratic process and are willing to starve the poor, withhold pay, squelch our access to govt information all because they lost(repeatedly).

They'll get back pay when the shutdown is over. It's a furlough, not a layoff like in the real world.

pirate2876
10-02-2013, 10:39 AM
I love hearing Obama called a "tyrant" or "dictator". Who is holding who hostage? A small group of extreme rightist pretty much shut down a good half of the system by trying to tack on an impossible addition to a budget proposal that has already had all the spending approved. Republicans within the Republican party have already stated they need to get over this and do whats is best for the good of the country. “That will happen sooner or later,” McCain said, adding that the Republicans “can’t win.” Which, by the way, the budget has nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act. Nothing. Its only being used as leverage.

As for the people taking forced time off, yes they will get compensated. But what about the work they should being doing? And what about money taken in from all the now closed non-essential parts of government? Thats also 800,000 people unsure of when they will get a paycheck. Would you go out and spend money if you didnt know when you would be getting paid?

All for what? So people can beat their chests and say how determined they are for the good of their party? All the while claiming they are doing whats right for Americans....really?

diy570
10-02-2013, 10:45 AM
I love hearing Obama called a "tyrant" or "dictator". Who is holding who hostage? A small group of extreme rightist pretty much shut down a good half of the system by trying to tack on an impossible addition to a budget proposal that has already had all the spending approved. Republicans within the Republican party have already stated they need to get over this and do whats is best for the good of the country. “That will happen sooner or later,” McCain said, adding that the Republicans “can’t win.” Which, by the way, the budget has nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act. Nothing. Its only being used as leverage.

As for the people taking forced time off, yes they will get compensated. But what about the work they should being doing? And what about money taken in from all the now closed non-essential parts of government? Thats also 800,000 people unsure of when they will get a paycheck. Would you go out and spend money if you didnt know when you would be getting paid?

All for what? So people can beat their chests and say how determined they are for the good of their party? All the while claiming they are doing whats right for Americans....really?

try reading some neutral media rather than that pinko garbage so you get the truth.

pirate2876
10-02-2013, 10:49 AM
try reading some neutral media rather than that pinko garbage so you get the truth.

Haha! Trying unsticking your head out of your ass.

The truth? From who? Hannity? Limbaugh? Please I have heard all the "truth" from those contortionists.

diy570
10-02-2013, 10:50 AM
Haha! Trying unsticking your head out of your ass.

The truth? From who? Hannity? Limbaugh? Please I have heard all the "truth" from those contortionists.

those guys are dipshits too. i said "read", not watch. if its on tv, its probably lies.

pirate2876
10-02-2013, 10:52 AM
those guys are dipshits too. i said "read", not watch. if its on tv, its probably lies.

Give me some examples of your neutral media or non-partisan politics.

diy570
10-02-2013, 10:57 AM
Give me some examples of your neutral media or non-partisan politics.

why, so you can pull out your liberal tactic tool purse and disect it and twist it around?

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 11:01 AM
Give me some examples of your neutral media or non-partisan politics.

Folks like yourself always claim to want examples of other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.

muttblbc
10-02-2013, 11:08 AM
Id kinda like to see that too...72chrysler summed it all up pretty perfect. Theres really no grey area. The government is shut down because a small radical percentage of one side didnt get what they wanted. Were not arguing whether the health care bill is good or not, there are procedures to fix bad laws that dont involve shutting down the fucking country. Its their jobs to use those procedures. Its their jobs to DO their jobs. They lost a round (several actually) brought it to the supreme court and lost and are still throwing a temper tantrum. Refusing to say "ok, this isnt working lets figure out a way to make it better, or come up with an alternative" Dont get me wrong, I think the Obama administration has done a terrible job explaining the law. I dont understand enough of it to decide whether Im for or against it (and I honestly dont think MANY are) But for all the bad shit you can put squarely on the shoulders of the current administration, (and theres A FUCKING LOT) this isnt one of em.

muttblbc
10-02-2013, 11:11 AM
explain "folks like you" do you know pirate 2876 personally? he asked a legit question, why cant you provide a legit answer without going to defcon 4?

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 11:21 AM
Id kinda like to see that too...72chrysler summed it all up pretty perfect. Theres really no grey area. The government is shut down because a small radical percentage of one side didnt get what they wanted. Were not arguing whether the health care bill is good or not, there are procedures to fix bad laws that dont involve shutting down the fucking country. Its their jobs to use those procedures. Its their jobs to DO their jobs. They lost a round (several actually) brought it to the supreme court and lost and are still throwing a temper tantrum. Refusing to say "ok, this isnt working lets figure out a way to make it better, or come up with an alternative" Dont get me wrong, I think the Obama administration has done a terrible job explaining the law. I dont understand enough of it to decide whether Im for or against it (and I honestly dont think MANY are) But for all the bad shit you can put squarely on the shoulders of the current administration, (and theres A FUCKING LOT) this isnt one of em.

See, you got it wrong man. Here's some random counter point to your post here...

There have been PLENTY of alternatives and "they" did try to make it better. Pelosi, Reed, and Obama wanted it their way and the shills and water carriers in the media didn't report on those "alternatives" you say were never (but were) presented.

It's a 2700+ page abortion that had to be passed to see what was in it.
That small minority you claim throwing a temper tantrum is slowly growing in to a majority of the fucking country.

The bill was rammed down our throats by a super majority in the house and senate. Anyone with an opposing viewpoint from the other side was rendered irrelevant.

The supreme court is a joke. Whichever side is stacked for the guy in power is going to win. The constitution doesn't even enter in to it. FDR was a HUGE abuser of this and every president since has done it.

Whenever there is a threat of a govt shut down the ones who scream about it the most are democrats. Because when it happens, and people see that 99 percent of their life isn't affected one iota it shatters the illusion that govt is the answer to everything. It isn't.


explain "folks like you" do you know pirate 2876 personally? he asked a legit question, why cant you provide a legit answer without going to defcon 4?

I'm not at defcon 4, I just know better than to waste my time. I'm probably wasting it with you as well but I have nothing better to do right now.

eroticjesus
10-02-2013, 11:31 AM
Idiocy. Sheer idiocy is what has a small group of psycho fanatics holding this country hostage.
This is not about the affordable care act. Since the Tea Baggers were elected in they have dreamt of shutting the government down.
They don't care about the million or so Federal employees who are not going to get a check. They don't care about VA services, or Museums. They do not care about the harm this will do to individual people who are living paycheck to paycheck as federal employees. All they care about is the ideology that their dream is to destroy government however they can. This excersise in assoholicism is to press forward an ideology of bullshit, an ideology that thinks that there should be no government at all...except of course them.
These idiot Tea Baggers ARE NOT TRYING TO HELP OR FIX ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY!
While real American families fret over how they will pay their bills, these limp dick, selfish, pasty, inbred syphlatic offspring of mongoloid clusterfucks will continue to suck money and benefits from the government they dream of destroying and shutting down.
Their one unifying dream is that rather than actually act as statesmen they will hold another private session where they can read passages of Ayn Rand and circle jerk each other off with tears of fundamentalist joy.

muttblbc
10-02-2013, 11:32 AM
"See, you got it wrong man. Here's some random counter point to your post here...

There have been PLENTY of alternatives and "they" did try to make it better. Pelosi, Reed, and Obama wanted it their way and the shills and water carriers in the media didn't report on those "alternatives" you say were never (but were) presented.

It's a 2700+ page abortion that had to be passed to see what was in it.
That small minority you claim throwing a temper tantrum is slowly growing in to a majority of the fucking country.

The bill was rammed down our throats by a super majority in the house and senate. Anyone with an opposing viewpoint from the other side was rendered irrelevant.

The supreme court is a joke. Whichever side is stacked for the guy in power is going to win. The constitution doesn't even enter in to it. FDR was a HUGE abuser of this and every president since has done it.

Whenever there is a threat of a govt shut down the ones who scream about it the most are democrats. Because when it happens, and people see that 99 percent of their life isn't affected one iota it shatters the illusion that govt is the answer to everything. It isn't."

i dont necessarily disagree with what youre saying, I dont think EITHER side is willing to give up what they want. I was being sincere in asking what sources your getting your non biased info from as I honestly WANT non biased info. The point that was being made though is whether or not its a good law, its a law whether you, I, or the senate likes it. There are correct ways of dealing with unpopular bullshit laws, shutting down the government isnt the correct one. If this had happened over the health care law itself i could concede the point and understand the tactic, but as this was slipped into something that it wasnt a part of I can only see this as a strategy to play chicken with the country. And thanks for responding civilly.

muttblbc
10-02-2013, 11:38 AM
"If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him," Jim DeMint

And also I think this has to do with WAY more than a bad law.

muttblbc
10-02-2013, 11:50 AM
And real quick for the record, Im neither democrat nor republican. There are views that I share that are similar and opposite on both sides. I was a big fan of McCain but will never be able to vote Republican because of their alliance with the religious right, And I loathe Obama in the way only one who knows hes been fooled can loathe another person

whiskeyhangover
10-02-2013, 12:03 PM
i dont necessarily disagree with what youre saying, I dont think EITHER side is willing to give up what they want. I was being sincere in asking what sources your getting your non biased info from as I honestly WANT non biased info. The point that was being made though is whether or not its a good law, its a law whether you, I, or the senate likes it. There are correct ways of dealing with unpopular bullshit laws, shutting down the government isnt the correct one. If this had happened over the health care law itself i could concede the point and understand the tactic, but as this was slipped into something that it wasnt a part of I can only see this as a strategy to play chicken with the country. And thanks for responding civilly.

There was a huge push back in 2010 by the Louisiana republicans to amend large portions of the bill that was shot down. It made it more market based with tax free personal accounts. I wasn't crazy about it but that's just one example.

I'm personally for any politician that is in favor of removing government from the whole process (like that's ever going to happen) and getting it the fuck out of our lives. They just can't stop fucking with us. Every time they get involved and try to "fix" things it just screws everything up more. The group that seems to support that ideal right now are the "teabaggers" that eroticjesus seems to hate so much.

muttblbc
10-02-2013, 12:31 PM
There are things that the tea party says they represent that I can completely get behind, but when you allow yourself to be represented by people like Michelle Bachman who would bring us back to the the Mcarthy era, or claim to be grass roots then are heavily funded by the koch brothers, Or have the appearance whether correct or not of being institutionally racist...there in lies the problem and there in they lose credibility and support. The amount of rhetoric has changed as they came about as well. Im not laying the blame at their feet as there is plenty to go around, but I personally tend to believe that the inability to have a civil, discussion on the difference of opinions is thwarted by the stereotypical whiney, facistic, self superior, dogmatic political correctness of the extreme left thats represented by the OWS types to the stereotypical, crazy seeming, ultra patriotic, facistic, homophobic, sexist, racist element of the tea party. not all democrats are whiney liberal fucktards, and not all conservatives are racist, misogynist sociopaths. The level of discourse has lowered itself to name calling at the slightest hint of disagreement, and the whole thing REEKS of divide and conquer.

Frankenfab
10-02-2013, 1:33 PM
And here I just didn't go to work because the shop i have been working for fucking blows..

JamesM
10-02-2013, 1:45 PM
My shop has been shut down since Sunday. Mainly because of this cold I caught though. Not so much the government.

buckshotgumbo
10-02-2013, 1:46 PM
I'm also one that finds all of whats going on completely nauseating.
It's fucking embarrassing.
I have equal disdain for both parties, and find myself leaning more towards a libertarian point of view.. I dug Gary Johnson in the last election and wish we heard more out of him.

My daughters boyfriend is a "nonessential". He's Federal Fish & Wildlife, and has been furloughed.
You know what is essential? A weekly check. His bill collectors won't give 2 squirts of duck shit why that payment isn't coming in.
Another thing that really tweaks my melon, is the other "non-essential" services like the VA that have been suspended.
As if the VA isn't already sorely backed up, we add this insult to the injuries our vets have received.

But you know who WILL still get a paycheck on time?
Congress and the POTUS.

KingHerald
10-02-2013, 1:54 PM
Interesting.

See, what actually happened, is the president of this country proposed a (very unpopular) bill which was then passed by a majority, through the constitutional process that this country's constitution prescribes. Then, when some people got shitty about it and made a stink, the United States Supreme Fucking Court upheld it, again in the name of the constitution. Incidentally, this is funny because the same people who threw the fit claim the constitution as their holy grail to rationalize all kinds of irrelevant shit. Then, according to the recognized law of the land, this unpopular bill became what's known as a Law, and it no longer mattered whether anybody liked it or not, because it was a fucking Law. The most ridiculous part is that the very same assholes who dragged the whole thing through gutter trying to kill it, while offering absolutely no alternative nor compromise, think that the blame is somehow shared when they refuse to do their job (passing an unrelated, necessary budget) because they don't personally approve of a Law.

I hate every piece of shit in washington, both parties alike, but you know what?
I stop for red lights, even though I hate them too.

That's probably the simplest and clearest explanation I've heard yet, and not buried in some crazy bigoted biased shit either.

I'm from the UK, and we have a totally different yet surprisingly as similarly fucked up method of governing our country.

Capino
10-02-2013, 3:11 PM
It was so nice driving home from work today! I drove from the Naval Academy past Fort Meade and the NSA to smack dab past the normally huge traffic jam from DC to Baltimore and there was no traffic at all. It's nice being essential;)

CRFyou
10-02-2013, 3:12 PM
It was so nice driving home from work today! I drove from the Naval Academy past Fort Meade and the NSA to smack dab past the normally huge traffic jam from DC to Baltimore and there was no traffic at all. It's nice being essential;)

Your ass is essential to my erect penis.

pirate2876
10-02-2013, 3:22 PM
Your ass is essential to my erect penis.

Whore.

Capino
10-02-2013, 3:23 PM
Your ass is essential to my erect penis.

Whoa Whoa Whoa.....I thought you were gonna be the receiver?
I'm out bro. Sorry if I led you on.

Capino
10-02-2013, 3:24 PM
Whore.

See how jealous you have made everyone! I'm gonna be getting hate PM's

CRFyou
10-02-2013, 3:28 PM
Whoa Whoa Whoa.....I thought you were gonna be the receiver?
I'm out bro. Sorry if I led you on.

Why the fuck would I want a dick in my ass?! That shits on you, bro.

hillakilla
10-02-2013, 3:53 PM
finally this conversation has become relevant to things i care about.

Capino
10-02-2013, 3:59 PM
Why the fuck would I want a dick in my ass?! That shits on you, bro.

Ok Ok, maybe I misread your intentions...but I have an exit only policy back there.

CRFyou
10-02-2013, 4:03 PM
Ok Ok, maybe I misread your intentions...but I have an exit only policy back there.

Then I'll have to go in through your mouth and go deep enough for it to exit out the back.

Capino
10-02-2013, 4:06 PM
Then I'll have to go in through your mouth and go deep enough for it to exit out the back.

Don't get aggressive, I'm taken . There are plenty of willing chopsters if you just look around.
Sheesh people always seem to want what they can't have.

PeanutHead
10-02-2013, 4:38 PM
It was so nice driving home from work today! I drove from the Naval Academy past Fort Meade and the NSA to smack dab past the normally huge traffic jam from DC to Baltimore and there was no traffic at all. It's nice being essential;)

What exactly do you do at the Naval Academy?

pTc
10-02-2013, 5:37 PM
CRF says that he "goes deep",
whatever that means

Capino
10-02-2013, 5:42 PM
What exactly do you do at the Naval Academy?

I yell at people all day and occasionally go underwater to demolish,salvage,build or repair things . When this project is done next year I will be somewhere else.

PeanutHead
10-02-2013, 6:56 PM
So you're a contractor?

TwoLaneFever
10-02-2013, 7:26 PM
my friggin cell phone took a crap yesterday ,,,government conspiracy or what ?????,,BASTARDS,,,,,got on the o/l,s phone ,,,bitched to the phone company,,,,now got two cell s with extra minutes AND GOT ANOTHER FREE ONE ON THE WAY,,,,!!!!THANKS OBAMAH,,,hahhahahahhaa(still fawk the gov BASTARDS for screwing with my phone )Figured blame them,,, it happened while they were on strike ,off or whatever you call it autumn break?hunting season? or plainly we are screwed again?

Capino
10-02-2013, 7:30 PM
So you're a contractor?

Yes I am a Commercial Diver repairing the waterfront facilities at the Naval Academy for about another year. Relocating underwater cables repairing underwater foundations,pilings and seawalls. Making repairs to the tow tank-basically a gigantic experimental tank filled with valves, gates, channels and bulkheads. All of their underwater infrastructure is in need of immediate repair.

Capino
10-02-2013, 7:32 PM
There were a lot of contractors who didn't get their contracts renewed on Oct. 1st .

mrkil
10-02-2013, 8:11 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/mrkil2/9C02241D-AF04-4D75-8B4A-E4CFF881D0E4-1509-0000014DAC75C737_zpsde83d3ca.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/mrkil2/07F12646-6A14-441E-B68D-B81E0AFB17CE-1509-0000014DA71FFC02_zpsfb68da72.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/mrkil2/8B1F3491-1FA0-41FD-8EA3-F2FEEAB0052D-1509-0000014DA171BE01_zpse872a2b8.jpg

pirate2876
10-03-2013, 1:18 PM
since this thread totally got highjacked I will just leave this here for you.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4736b44db34eddeaae7adc7e4590a972/tumblr_mu28dcDHee1qa42jro1_500.jpg

All pics here: http://terrysdiary.com/post/63002078079/miley-cyrus-in-nyc-22

Allen
10-03-2013, 5:34 PM
since this thread totally got highjacked I will just leave this here for you....

:clap for you:

JMFNC
10-03-2013, 5:45 PM
Is that rubman's sister?

pirate2876
10-03-2013, 6:07 PM
Is that rubman's sister?

I think it's his brother.

Cupmonkey
10-03-2013, 8:36 PM
I cant get passed the hair sorry

MrEd
10-03-2013, 9:57 PM
since this thread totally got highjacked I will just leave this here for you.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4736b44db34eddeaae7adc7e4590a972/tumblr_mu28dcDHee1qa42jro1_500.jpg

All pics here: http://terrysdiary.com/post/63002078079/miley-cyrus-in-nyc-22

And those, gentlemen, are what's known as "flapjacks".

Jetblack
10-03-2013, 11:42 PM
http://www.oldtimecandy.com/assets/images/singles/milk_duds.jpg

buckshotgumbo
10-04-2013, 5:18 AM
Thanks, pirate.
I just checked out Terry's site.
Wow.. Alyssa Arce is ridiculous.. what an awesome set of naturals..

nmaineron
10-04-2013, 7:27 AM
This just didn't happen overnight...Big money started cutting the foundation of this country...Koch Bros.,Enron,Fannie Mae,Pharma and Big Oil...taking the good jobs out of the country and putting people that were paying the bills on the street is the reason behind all this..people that worked hard all there lives to get ahead are really hurting..there not ahead...they are way behind...pensions have been robbed and many promises broken...put America back to work and this problem goes away...

Rubman
10-04-2013, 8:11 AM
Is that rubman's sister?

were she my sister, she'd be pregnant and i imagine we'd be living somewhere deep within the bible belt. would smash that shit for days. AND DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS, BROS.

CRFyou
10-04-2013, 9:00 AM
Dude. It's nice to see Miley's boobs and such, but yeah... That haircut needs to get the fuck on. I can't tell her and Justin Bieber apart at all.

That Alyssa Arce chick is hot as fuck! I just creeped on her.

gonzoguilt
10-04-2013, 10:19 AM
were she my sister, she'd be pregnant and i imagine we'd be living somewhere deep within the bible belt. would smash that shit for days. AND DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS, BROS.

Ohhhh man, that made my mornin'.

Rubman
10-04-2013, 10:30 AM
I'm just keepin' it real!

stumpy
10-04-2013, 6:08 PM
Yup, only 4 hours of work and won't get paid for it until AFTER the furlough ends. Anywhere from one to 30 days in a row this time. YAY!

And that might not even happen if they vote not to back pay us. At one time being a Fed Worker was secure.Sure you didint make what they made on the outside but you had a job Shit you even swore an oath to do your best for your country. Politicians are scum both sides we get our pay frozen they get a pay raise we have to pay for health care they get it free!?! FUCK EM IN THE HEART WITH A RUSTED SPOON!!::mad::asshat::kill:

72chrysler
10-05-2013, 10:12 AM
FUCK EM IN THE HEART WITH A RUSTED SPOON!!::mad::asshat::kill:

Aww, you big old softy huggy bear

ARBY
10-05-2013, 7:00 PM
Government shutdown hasn't hurt me none that I can tell. Barry Hussain doesn't seem to be overly concerned.Saw a pic in the paper of him taking a leisurely stroll for breakfast to a local DC coffee shop offering discounts to furloughed government workers. He had a whole contingent of SS with him. Guess he didn't furlough any of them. Priorities, priorities. Nero fiddles while Rome burns

Fozzy
10-05-2013, 7:51 PM
Government shutdown hasn't hurt me none that I can tell. Barry Hussain doesn't seem to be overly concerned.Saw a pic in the paper of him taking a leisurely stroll for breakfast to a local DC coffee shop offering discounts to furloughed government workers. He had a whole contingent of SS with him. Guess he didn't furlough any of them. Priorities, priorities. Nero fiddles while Rome burns

His SS shoulda been the 1st ones furloughed.

JohnnyBGoode
10-06-2013, 3:40 PM
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/983DwAOCXRI?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

scuzzy
10-06-2013, 4:26 PM
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/983DwAOCXRI?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Good call on that one man. Love the dead Kennedys . I'm sure jello is eating this up.

Hahaha wwjd. ( for thise that dont know jello is the front man and. Wwjd what would jello do.)

ThrownOlive
10-06-2013, 10:17 PM
Government shutdown hasn't hurt me none that I can tell. Barry Hussain doesn't seem to be overly concerned.Saw a pic in the paper of him taking a leisurely stroll for breakfast to a local DC coffee shop offering discounts to furloughed government workers. He had a whole contingent of SS with him. Guess he didn't furlough any of them. Priorities, priorities. Nero fiddles while Rome burns

Iirc our President has nothing to do here. It is the legislative branch's job to fund the laws it passes. The executive branch has nothing to do until the House decides to do its job.

Grantman
10-07-2013, 6:04 AM
Iirc our President has nothing to do here. It is the legislative branch's job to fund the laws it passes. The executive branch has nothing to do until the House decides to do its job.

But being the top Democrat (or is that demogogue?) All the others fall in line with his childish "we will not negotiate " bullshit. Funny how he gave exemptions from the ACA to his campaign contributors but won't hear of a one year delay for the average citizen. I think they should just let the ACA go into effect now, that way in a year maybe some morons will wake up and throw some of these crooks out of office. Good ones to start with are Harry Reid - damn near penniless when he started in the Senate and is now a multi - millionaire. Nancy Pelosi who is proud of the fact she has held public office for forty years but is so arrogant she's so sure she knows better than anyone else that she says dumb shit like "we have to pass a bill before we know what's in it ". I bet she'd know if a bill contained a provision that the congressional pension fund was now going to be used to fund social security, and congressional pay is a thing of the past until there is no federal debt. I'd like to see any fucktard in Congress get by on the $1300 per month that many single retired people get from social security that somehow happens to be just enough that they don't qualify for food stamps so they get the choice of food or meds! And it's not just the Democrats, the Republicans are just as fucking bad. Every fucktard that wants to serve their entire life in politics is so crooked they should be shot! Lifetime term limits of 12 years and NOT A FUCKING DIME IN PENSION MONEY! That should be the law. Government in debt? No pay for Congress. If they have no money we can give them section 8 housing in the hood in DC and foodstamps.

Just think 800,000 "nonessential " government employees on free vacation, we can't get a budget (and haven't had one in 7 years, just "continuing resolutions ") but they can pass a bill that makes sure they get paid when they do return to work. That's almost a million employees off work getting paid and not much is different except blocking sidewalks to open air monuments paid for with private donations. The VA is still seeing patients, the border patrol is still letting illegal aliens run across the border, the IRS is still auditing tax returns. Working for the government used to be a trade off. Lower pay, but better pension and benefits. Now they get better pay than the private sector to "attract and maintain quality personnel " but still have better benefits (including pensions) that average workers don't get. Government employees need to thank their lucky stars because the average worker in America gets one week of vacation per year and NO sickdays! Pensions are something most people hear about as an item from "the good old days". We've got multiple agencies doing the same thing with hundreds of thousands of jobs that could be eliminated without affecting daily life for anyone with an actual job that contributes to the economy. And anyone with the misguided notion that the government paychecks are an important part of the economy doesn't understand economic basics and believed Nancy Pelosi when she said every dollar in foodstamps adds more than a dollar to the economy. Quick mathematics lesson here Nancy, it doesn't add, it redistributes by force (taxes) and it costs a lot more to redistribute it than you would think. Go look up the administration costs of the "SNAP" program (they keep changing the names of handout programs so the leeches don't get their little feelings hurt) . They even got rid of welfare "checks" and food "stamps" and went to an electronic benefits card to reduce the stigma on being on "assistance".

Saltytonk
10-07-2013, 7:17 AM
but being the top democrat (or is that demogogue?) all the others fall in line with his childish "we will not negotiate " bullshit. Funny how he gave exemptions from the aca to his campaign contributors but won't hear of a one year delay for the average citizen. I think they should just let the aca go into effect now, that way in a year maybe some morons will wake up and throw some of these crooks out of office. Good ones to start with are harry reid - damn near penniless when he started in the senate and is now a multi - millionaire. Nancy pelosi who is proud of the fact she has held public office for forty years but is so arrogant she's so sure she knows better than anyone else that she says dumb shit like "we have to pass a bill before we know what's in it ". I bet she'd know if a bill contained a provision that the congressional pension fund was now going to be used to fund social security, and congressional pay is a thing of the past until there is no federal debt. I'd like to see any fucktard in congress get by on the $1300 per month that many single retired people get from social security that somehow happens to be just enough that they don't qualify for food stamps so they get the choice of food or meds! And it's not just the democrats, the republicans are just as fucking bad. Every fucktard that wants to serve their entire life in politics is so crooked they should be shot! Lifetime term limits of 12 years and not a fucking dime in pension money! That should be the law. Government in debt? No pay for congress. If they have no money we can give them section 8 housing in the hood in dc and foodstamps.

Just think 800,000 "nonessential " government employees on free vacation, we can't get a budget (and haven't had one in 7 years, just "continuing resolutions ") but they can pass a bill that makes sure they get paid when they do return to work. That's almost a million employees off work getting paid and not much is different except blocking sidewalks to open air monuments paid for with private donations. The va is still seeing patients, the border patrol is still letting illegal aliens run across the border, the irs is still auditing tax returns. Working for the government used to be a trade off. Lower pay, but better pension and benefits. Now they get better pay than the private sector to "attract and maintain quality personnel " but still have better benefits (including pensions) that average workers don't get. Government employees need to thank their lucky stars because the average worker in america gets one week of vacation per year and no sickdays! Pensions are something most people hear about as an item from "the good old days". We've got multiple agencies doing the same thing with hundreds of thousands of jobs that could be eliminated without affecting daily life for anyone with an actual job that contributes to the economy. And anyone with the misguided notion that the government paychecks are an important part of the economy doesn't understand economic basics and believed nancy pelosi when she said every dollar in foodstamps adds more than a dollar to the economy. Quick mathematics lesson here nancy, it doesn't add, it redistributes by force (taxes) and it costs a lot more to redistribute it than you would think. Go look up the administration costs of the "snap" program (they keep changing the names of handout programs so the leeches don't get their little feelings hurt) . They even got rid of welfare "checks" and food "stamps" and went to an electronic benefits card to reduce the stigma on being on "assistance".

holy shit!!!! Theres someone on here that knows what the hell is going on!!

Listen up kiddies. Grantman is dead on!

Capino
10-07-2013, 8:08 AM
holy shit!!!! Theres someone on here that knows what the hell is going on!!

Listen up kiddies. Grantman is dead on!

I have noticed that in a few other threads as well.

Grantman
10-08-2013, 12:23 AM
Thanks brother, just having a rant. Shit seems obvious to me but I have a pretty easy job with 12 hour shifts so I get lots of time to think and do some research about what happens to the half of my paycheck that I don't get to keep.

Redhorsetattoo
10-08-2013, 3:37 AM
http://www.eutimes.net/2013/10/pentagon
A bit tin foil, but strangely on point.

Revelator
10-08-2013, 8:41 AM
the puppet masters must be laughing their asses off full time

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

ARBY
10-08-2013, 4:08 PM
But being the top Democrat (or is that demogogue?) All the others fall in line with his childish "we will not negotiate " bullshit. Funny how he gave exemptions from the ACA to his campaign contributors but won't hear of a one year delay for the average citizen. I think they should just let the ACA go into effect now, that way in a year maybe some morons will wake up and throw some of these crooks out of office. Good ones to start with are Harry Reid - damn near penniless when he started in the Senate and is now a multi - millionaire. Nancy Pelosi who is proud of the fact she has held public office for forty years but is so arrogant she's so sure she knows better than anyone else that she says dumb shit like "we have to pass a bill before we know what's in it ". I bet she'd know if a bill contained a provision that the congressional pension fund was now going to be used to fund social security, and congressional pay is a thing of the past until there is no federal debt. I'd like to see any fucktard in Congress get by on the $1300 per month that many single retired people get from social security that somehow happens to be just enough that they don't qualify for food stamps so they get the choice of food or meds! And it's not just the Democrats, the Republicans are just as fucking bad. Every fucktard that wants to serve their entire life in politics is so crooked they should be shot! Lifetime term limits of 12 years and NOT A FUCKING DIME IN PENSION MONEY! That should be the law. Government in debt? No pay for Congress. If they have no money we can give them section 8 housing in the hood in DC and foodstamps.

Just think 800,000 "nonessential " government employees on free vacation, we can't get a budget (and haven't had one in 7 years, just "continuing resolutions ") but they can pass a bill that makes sure they get paid when they do return to work. That's almost a million employees off work getting paid and not much is different except blocking sidewalks to open air monuments paid for with private donations. The VA is still seeing patients, the border patrol is still letting illegal aliens run across the border, the IRS is still auditing tax returns. Working for the government used to be a trade off. Lower pay, but better pension and benefits. Now they get better pay than the private sector to "attract and maintain quality personnel " but still have better benefits (including pensions) that average workers don't get. Government employees need to thank their lucky stars because the average worker in America gets one week of vacation per year and NO sickdays! Pensions are something most people hear about as an item from "the good old days". We've got multiple agencies doing the same thing with hundreds of thousands of jobs that could be eliminated without affecting daily life for anyone with an actual job that contributes to the economy. And anyone with the misguided notion that the government paychecks are an important part of the economy doesn't understand economic basics and believed Nancy Pelosi when she said every dollar in foodstamps adds more than a dollar to the economy. Quick mathematics lesson here Nancy, it doesn't add, it redistributes by force (taxes) and it costs a lot more to redistribute it than you would think. Go look up the administration costs of the "SNAP" program (they keep changing the names of handout programs so the leeches don't get their little feelings hurt) . They even got rid of welfare "checks" and food "stamps" and went to an electronic benefits card to reduce the stigma on being on "assistance".

Ex-fuckin'-zactley. And anybody who thinks otherwise voted for that despot twice but will deny doing it.

AROK
10-12-2013, 12:32 AM
Iirc our President has nothing to do here. It is the legislative branch's job to fund the laws it passes. The executive branch has nothing to do until the House decides to do its job.

It was Obama's decision to let Congress take their fucking five week vacation before they came to an agreement on a fucking budget. Putting politics aside, Obama is a horrible leader.

AnCap/Voluntaryist society is the way of the future, and people are starting to figure it out. It's about damn time.

Grantman
10-13-2013, 1:06 AM
Got this in my email today at work. Thought it was a good start on fixing the problem:


Congressional Reform Act of 2013

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/13. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.

Congress made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message. Don't you think it's time?

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!

ThrownOlive
10-13-2013, 2:32 AM
AROK, the President doesn't set the Congressional recess calendar. Just hoping this shutdown doesn't dump what little growth we've had since 2000. Democrat or GOP this kind of uncertainty shits the bed for most of us small business people and we employ about 74% of the workforce. I hope they get it figured out soon and hope sure as shit you all are talking to your reps. They can't act in good faith if we haven't directed them.

ThrownOlive
10-13-2013, 1:16 PM
Just saw this now.http://youtu.be/0Jd-iaYLO1A

It's a video from the House floor showing an inquiry exchange on house standing rules. Prior to Oct. 1 any House member could bring a motion to move a bill to a vote when the House was stymied in disagreement. On Oct. 1st this rule was changed saying only the majority speaker of the house could bring such a motion.

This should make it clear that the GOP leadershop(although certainly not all gop reps etc) are not interested in compromise or dialogue as they've actively sought to further limit the chances of any bill moving out of the House. Changing standing rules without a full floor call is bad on its own, but doing it at a time like this is a bad bad sign

JohnnyBGoode
10-13-2013, 1:20 PM
Feed the poor, they cost less than politicians.

Capino
10-13-2013, 1:38 PM
Just saw this now.http://youtu.be/0Jd-iaYLO1A

It's a video from the House floor showing an inquiry exchange on house standing rules. Prior to Oct. 1 any House member could bring a motion to move a bill to a vote when the House was stymied in disagreement. On Oct. 1st this rule was changed saying only the majority speaker of the house could bring such a motion.

This should make it clear that the GOP leadershop(although certainly not all gop reps etc) are not interested in compromise or dialogue as they've actively sought to further limit the chances of any bill moving out of the House. Changing standing rules without a full floor call is bad on its own, but doing it at a time like this is a bad bad sign

Why the fuck would they want to compromise? They are finally doing what THEIR constituents want...not playing games anymore.

jsChicago
10-13-2013, 2:01 PM
Feed the poor, they cost less than politicians.

Shoot 'em both and fire 90% of the bureaucrats. We do that and we can declare a new holiday - Independence Day Part II. :D

Brendden
10-13-2013, 2:05 PM
Fuck the aca. Fuck the Democrats, and Fuck the GOP. They all suck.

http://libertythinkers.com/political/armed-revolution-in-america-today/

JohnnyBGoode
10-13-2013, 2:23 PM
Everyones all like, I don't need to get fucked because the government fucks me everyday...


I'm just sitting here drinking coffee mapping out how to ride from folly beach SC to wherever westcoastville on a shitty old honda.

Capino
10-22-2013, 6:41 PM
This administration is utterly lawless. They disregard ANY law or powers that fall to the states as if they do not even exist ,and railroad their agenda right on through. If they can't railroad it, they tie up the states in federal lawsuits making their lives miserable and bogging the state government down. It's been happening for years. And what's worse, there is NO RECOURSE. It doesn't matter who is called to testify before Congress about anything. They will plead the 5th, or answer with "I can't recall" or "I'll have to get back to you on that" No one, not ONE PERSON is held accountable for anything in this administration.

ARBY
10-22-2013, 9:00 PM
This should make it clear that the GOP leadership(although certainly not all gop reps etc) are not interested in compromise or dialogue as they've actively sought to further limit the chances of any bill moving out of the House. Changing standing rules without a full floor call is bad on its own, but doing it at a time like this is a bad bad sign

Good. I hope it makes things perfectly clear. The GOP is not interested in any form of compromise with this administration and what they are trying to shove down the throats and up the asses of the American people. And they might have stood fast were it not for a back handed, back room 2 billion dollar dam project deal brokered by one of their own, Rep. Minority Leader and head judas Mitch McConnell. He sold his party, his constituants and the American people right down the river in the eleventh hour.

Jetblack
10-22-2013, 11:39 PM
This administration is utterly lawless. They disregard ANY law or powers that fall to the states as if they do not even exist ,and railroad their agenda right on through. If they can't railroad it, they tie up the states in federal lawsuits making their lives miserable and bogging the state government down. It's been happening for years. And what's worse, there is NO RECOURSE. It doesn't matter who is called to testify before Congress about anything. They will plead the 5th, or answer with "I can't recall" or "I'll have to get back to you on that" No one, not ONE PERSON is held accountable for anything in this administration.

Agreed and if enough evidence is there to make a case they just side step from that post into another one to avoid prosecution. I figured Newt would have been done after the HUD scandal, nope he stepped down, stepped to the side became speaker of the house then ran for president.

Career politicians are only in it to pad their pockets on our backs. Term limits... we need them for all political offices.

ThrownOlive
10-23-2013, 12:50 AM
This was rammed down our throats? Is that what three years of legislative hearings, procedural votes and floor debates is called? Interesting. Further, each and every branch of our government signed off on this. What more do you want?

Reagan offered a choice to those who disagreed with his policies. "Vote with your feet" ie move. The GOP seems to make a pass for that Hollywood elite who raided taxes more times than any other president, installed not one but two dictators in the Middle East that we are now dealing with and wait for it...more than tripled the deficit. So maybe you'll listen to Ronnie now? Democrats won more than 8million more votes nationwide than the GOP in 2012 and found broad support for the ACA. I'm not a huge fan of this law either, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike it rather than straight lies conservatives seem to cling to.

Grantman
10-23-2013, 1:50 AM
Amazing how people tend to forget the past or bring it up in a distorted way just to make their point. You sir are distorting facts. The PEOPLE of America NEVER voted on the ACA. It was rammed down our throats, do you not remember Nancy Pelosi and her famous (or infamous) statement "We have to pass the bill before we can find out what's in it." They rammed it down our throats is a very kind way of putting it. I would say more like they shoved it up our ass!

I highly doubt you could have got it more than 10% of the American peoples vote if it were put to the country as a whole and not snuck through a Democratically controlled congress. If you remember ALL the Republicans were blocked from attending the meetings to make up this piece of garbage. I was a little pissed about the rhetoric they used to scam the american public with this one. The cry of the poor people with preexisting conditions that can't get health insurance was a big line of bullshit. Screw their cry of wolf. I'll tell you how it really works. If you GAMBLE that you will not need insurance so you don't pay for it, when you need it you can't get it now because of a preexisting condition. Car insurance works the same way, you can't get full coverage to repair a car AFTER you wreck it, that is preexisting damage.

My wife has had 4 major back surgeries. Each one paid for by a different insurance company. I jokingly call her the $6Million woman because all told over the last 20 years our medical bills were more than that. The reason they have been covered by insurance as we moved around the country is quite simple. I maintained health insurance the entire time. As I changed jobs and moved all over the country it was not possible to keep the same insurance as each company has to be licensed in each state and you can't cross state lines to buy a policy (I don't know what idiot came up with that but it sucks too). The key to maintaining health insurance with a preexisting condition is to maintain insurance without a lapse of more than 60 days. Then you are covered by the Portability in Healthcare Act signed into law by none other than William Jefferson Clinton. In my opinion it was the only good thing he did as President.

So take the now highly unaffordable and impossible to sign up for ACA and stick it up Nancy Pelosis ass until it comes out her mouth. I doubt it will make it any better but at least it will be fun to watch.

Flatheadpower
10-23-2013, 4:58 PM
Not trying to be a dick but check out this vid about how what probably would be called communism in the US work for norway and see if you think you would dislike this system, we got pretty much the same in sweden exept all the oil but we got the other natural sources but a average payment here for us, me welding (school dropout) is abot 2500-3000 usd after taxes and i get around and the four weeks wacation he is talking about is actually five :)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fCs6DFxX0

Capino
10-23-2013, 5:38 PM
Not trying to be a dick but check out this vid about how what probably would be called communism in the US work for norway and see if you think you would dislike this system, we got pretty much the same in sweden exept all the oil but we got the other natural sources but a average payment here for us, me welding (school dropout) is abot 2500-3000 usd after taxes and i get around and the four weeks wacation he is talking about is actually five :)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fCs6DFxX0

You have a version of Socialism with a large dose of Nationalism

Flatheadpower
10-23-2013, 5:52 PM
You have a version of Socialism with a large dose of Nationalism

Yeah if you compare it to the USA we do, but not the nationalism so much in sweden if you say out loud you love your countrey and are proud to be swedish you are basically a racist and almost a kkk member that burn crosses on your weekends, and that reaches as far as to the government that its a really bad thing to like sweden. Norweigians on the other hand have a fucking weeks party when they celebrating their anniverserys.
now both countries have the most capitalist government parties incharge, but its sick if you look at the rest of the world we have free schools,hospitals,drinking water out of the tap, we even flush our shit with clean drinkingwater and take it all for granted.
But we think its fair that the money that is digged up from our land should also be spent on making the land better for all of us.

ThrownOlive
10-23-2013, 5:59 PM
Grantman, so every law, act or no binding res passed by Congress EVER was rammed down our throats?

Our system assumes that those who are eligible to vote will vote for the person who can represent their views the best. Then that person represents their district etc. also, the GOP was not blocked from committee meetings etc on this but Congressional GOP leaders threw a fit that they weren't given leadership positions in committee(while they didn't maintain seniority or majority control). I was there for about a year during most of this session covering the hill. Any member of congress could have gone to meetings but they refused. Believe what you'd like but I was there and had to deal with this situation first hand. That quote from Pelosi is also wildly out of context. It was said before the complete draft legislation had been finalized so she was right. There were still gaps in the legislation where committees hadn't returned their approved language etc.

ARBY
10-24-2013, 2:47 PM
This was rammed down our throats? Is that what three years of legislative hearings, procedural votes and floor debates is called? Interesting. Further, each and every branch of our government signed off on this. What more do you want?

Reagan offered a choice to those who disagreed with his policies. "Vote with your feet" ie move. The GOP seems to make a pass for that Hollywood elite who raided taxes more times than any other president, installed not one but two dictators in the Middle East that we are now dealing with and wait for it...more than tripled the deficit. So maybe you'll listen to Ronnie now? Democrats won more than 8million more votes nationwide than the GOP in 2012 and found broad support for the ACA. I'm not a huge fan of this law either, but there are legitimate reasons to dislike it rather than straight lies conservatives seem to cling to.

Heck, I liked Reagan. I even liked Nixon and Bush didn't bother me none until he went soft on anhiliating the radical moszlums in Afghanistan and Iraq. But you throw the letters G.O.P. at me like I'm some kind of Republican. I'm not. After the shananigans that have been going on on both sides since clinton and his husband hillary I don't have any use for anybody in either party. Oh, and the US has installed more than two dictators that have turned on us since WW II. Since 1945 we've created every enemy we've fought. The only reason we installed certain people into power is because at the time they were better than what happened to be in place. I still say that if Charlie Wilson had kept his nose in the coke dish and out of Afghanistan the Ruskies would still be chopping up islam with their Heins and those goat humpers wouldn't have time to mess with us. But no, we hated the Russians and Communisim soooo much we ended up cutting our own throats over there. Tell me, which would you rather have now, the Cold War or this holy war?

Yes rammed down their throats. Half truths, bold faced lies and concealment of the facts. What many voted for has morphed into an out and out "Obamination." "Affordable Healthcare?" The cost alone has risen to four times over what was originally hyped to the people. Not to mention what it will cost to manage it.Individual deductibles will be over $6,000 -$12,000 for families and hospitals and Dr. offices are already ramping up to collect that deductible prior to services being rendered. The average person/family if they don't need crical care is not likely to satrisfy that deductible in a year. So you'll be paying all your expenses up to the 6 grand plus anywhere from $4,800 to $7,200 annually. AND there's no guarantee that the necessary care you paid for will be approved!!! You call that affordable.

And how about that website. If the govt., the IRS and idunno who else can't get a website to work right I don't suppose you'd want them making decisions on your critical care. Or maybe you would. Hope and Change right? You friggin' idiots.

ThrownOlive
10-24-2013, 3:13 PM
Hot damn ARBY, you and I were on the same page until you got to the ACA. I guess what you say hasn't been my experience, although Oregon as a whole doesn't seem to be reporting those challenges either. Guess I can't really speak to that. Because of my service, as a civi, but in war zones all the same, I was ineligible for nearly all plans prior to the ACA and even without that issue I likely would have only been able to afford catastrophic. I'm only 27, but it doesn't seem right to me that I've paid my way through university, served alongside our soldiers and operate a successful small business(coffee shop) and I couldn't get healthcare before the ACA. Now I can and now my business can afford to offer insurance to our employees. I've gotta call that a win.

ARBY
10-24-2013, 5:37 PM
....Now I can and now my business can afford to offer insurance to our employees. I've gotta call that a win.

I'm not sure I understand the above sentence. If you couldn't afford to pay insurance premiums before obammycare how can you afford to pay premuims now AND pay the health care provider on top of it. Because that's what you'll be doing for the first six grand of care. Let's also say that God forbid you have a critical incident or injury. The first six g's will have to be paid up front by you before ACA kicks in. Then when you file the claim with your gooberment for payment of continued care they say, "If you read page 4,392 you will see that ACA only covers up to 40% for your particular injury or illness." What then? Because if you think all this ACA nonsence is designed to benefit you, the avearge working guy, then you are out of your mind. They don't want you to benefit from it. They just want you to finance it. Healthcare consultant Robert Laszewski has already made this statement reported by CNN,"The fundamental threat to Obamacare is we don't get enough healthy people in the pool to keep the rates reasonable, and they are in grave danger of that problem."

Oh and BTW did you know that in your own state your premiums have risen 24% just since Obamacare launched???


Good luck man, I hope it works for ya.

Jetblack
10-24-2013, 6:06 PM
Well, heres the disparity from what I understand has happened to the ACA. The original intent was that all medical insurance companies would have to compete thus bringing the costs down. But what happened is the companies that padded pockets to put their cronies in office in the first place called in their favors with more lobbies and pocket padding, to fight the fair competition the ACA was supposed to have.

So what happened is in some sates there is fair competition many insurance companies to choose from, great rates good plans because there's competition. But since so many paid off fuckers fought to have state rights over ACA some states insurance providers have no competition to compete with. This is why so much fucking turmoil and crazy are taking place over the ACA. Those fucking companies bought politicians to have a monopoly.

So if your state is one of the ones with no insurance choices, and outrageous rates your state reps fucking bent you over so they could make a buck, those are the folks you need to be pissed off at over this. Of course, the ability to let states choose which companies it allowed was shuffled in because the ones bought and paid off fought so damn hard for it.

Corporations are not people, allowing them to lobby and influence the government as people has taken us out of the political forum, that legislation that put them on equal ground as citizens needs to be over turned with a quickness, they are an entity and need to be treated as such. Turning the US government into a business and running it like a business with the politicians acting as board members and Americans their stock is pretty fucked up. We are no longer people we are no longer customers, we a resource consumers that the now corporate government and private corporations make deals on our future with, all in the name of making buck, it doesn't matter how much life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness we lose in their dealings it's about the bottom line.

It's the same as when Ford makes a car that spontaneously blows up, gotta have a certain number of casualties for a recall. How many casualties do they have written in before re-looking at the drug war? The Middle Eastern conflicts? The patriot and affordable care acts? We the people keep screaming it's a bad idea... when it's a bad idea does it get heard or ignored? Yeah man they pretend to listen around election time to keep up appearances, then after that's done back to the same ol shit, buddy buddy and back door deals. The one they made on the ACA sticks out like a sore thumb, too bad that same sore thumb will cost 100 bucks in one state and 10,000 in another thanks to some corrupt mother fuckers and the corporations pretending to be citizens paying them off.

ARBY
10-24-2013, 6:55 PM
^^^^ And the ultimate blame lies with who? That's right - the guy whose name is on it. The guy who engineered it as his legacy. To take the ACA down is to take the legacy down and most folks on capitol hill are too afraid trying because to do so would mean they would have to wear that brand.

Some people tried but one of their own rolled over on them to to lay hold of his own legacy, a 2 billion dollar dam project.

Jetblack
10-24-2013, 7:38 PM
Same thing would have happened with Romney, hell he's the one that came up with this thing when he was governor of Ma. his solution to not raise taxes was to raise the costs of services. Taxes can be cut the cost of services rarely are.

Both sides of the isle red and blue are responsible for shifty bullshit, to me they are one party other than morals they use to divide and conquer that keeps us fighting ourselves over like fucking sports teams, I see zero difference between the two.

Ronald Reagan said this in regards to the way the US economy works: "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”

Of course the saying in different context has been around for a long time...

During World War II, the armed forces had one saying: “If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, pick it up. If it’s too big to pick up, paint it.”

In 1952, there was this saying: “If it moves, control it; if you cannot control it, tax it, if you cannot tax it, subsidize it.”

In 1967, there was this saying: “If it moves, tax it; if you can’t tax it, control it; if you can’t control it, give it a million dollars.”

In the 1970s, New Orleans Mayor “Moon” Landrieu said this: “We tax everything that moves, and everything that stands still, and if it moves, we tax it again.”

I mean when the rich govern those that live off the sweat of their brow pay check to paycheck they cannot relate. There's many instances that show most of our politicians have no idea what middle class means. Hell recently Pelosi said Americans being cut back to part time is a good thing... because then they have more time to do what they really want to do. I'm paraphrasing not quoting, but it shows clearly what I am talking about, why do these silver spoon politicians have jobs? Something to do with their free time, pretty crazy that some think we work just for the hell of it and could really use some time away from volunteering that happens to have a pay check attached.

When governing we have a few that know wtf hard work is, we have many more out of touch because it's a hobby, then we have those using it to grow their own bank account at our expense. We really need reforms to our political system we are already over the 100% operating level this is why our debt keeps going out of control, Greece that just recently crashed and burned were only 3% higher in their maximum operating expense than we are now. The cliff is very real, hopefully we are actually backing away from the edge.

I mean hell we just put up some national parks for sale, we are bleeding money from every hole, and they are doing everything but stopping the bleeding, they are looking for more revenue streams when they need to cut off some major funding. Foreign aid in my opinion should be the first to go, bring the troops all back asap if they fuck with us again nuke em let god sort them out. Well you get the idea...

ThrownOlive
10-25-2013, 12:16 AM
That all sounds about right JetBlack. As much fun as it was working in DC in my "real job" I'll take running my little dumpy coffee shop in the ghetto any day of the week.

ARBY
10-25-2013, 6:13 AM
That all sounds about right JetBlack. As much fun as it was working in DC in my "real job" I'll take running my little dumpy coffee shop in the ghetto any day of the week.

There now. I'm with you about what he said.

ThrownOlive
10-25-2013, 11:21 AM
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/did-we-just-become-best-friends-yep.gif

RetroRob
10-25-2013, 12:48 PM
I mean hell we just put up some national parks for sale, we are bleeding money from every hole, and they are doing everything but stopping the bleeding, they are looking for more revenue streams when they need to cut off some major funding. Foreign aid in my opinion should be the first to go, bring the troops all back asap if they fuck with us again nuke em let god sort them out. Well you get the idea...

This to me nicely sums up everything that is wrong with this country.

Jetblack
10-25-2013, 1:21 PM
Wow, agreement in a political thread... if I'm dreaming whomever wakes me needs a kick in the dick. If I'm not dreaming call guinness or drink one.

ThrownOlive
10-25-2013, 2:56 PM
Looks like we all just won the internet.