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feralhog
06-20-2013, 8:41 AM
Im trying to eliminate the bank angle sensor or just bypass it...Supposedly the BAS is in My Turn Signal Module..I couldn't find it anywhere else (please point me in right direction if im wrong)

Im running
Screaming Eagle Ignition-Module #32633-96 6800RPM for 1996-1997-XL1200

Ive heard on the on the 98-01 the Green wire from the screaming chicken ignition Module goes to the Bank Angle sensor and would just need to be grounded..

However; Im running the 96 XL1200 setup (not 98-01) and I am not exactly sure that the green wire from Ignition Module is the one running to the BAS..

If so: I ground green the green wire coming from the IG Mod obviously ? but what about green wire that is now cut going into Harness supposedly to BAS ---do I also ground that? or just let it hang..

Also Im told the BAS is in the TSM and wires from TSM are as follows..

Turn Signal Module wires on my bike are these colors exactly..
Orange - Black - Brown - Violet White / Brown - White / Violet - White / Green
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Ive got this off the net

""Now coming from 91 and up the turn signal module you have the following wires:
Orange - Power
Black - Ground
Brown - Feed from right Turn signal switch
Violet - Feed from left turn signal switch
White / Brown - Output to right turn signals
White / Violet - Output to left turn signals
White / Green - Output to speedo light"""

With that being Said (if that is true) where in the "F" is the Bank angle sensor wires that supposed to be inside that thing?

It would have to be somewhere else other then under my seat or around battery box..
Note my wires from Ig Mod go into harness..
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So Im hoping just simply grounding the Green wire from Ignition Mod is all Id have to do to bypass the Bank Angle sensor on this bike.. :confused:

I also hoping someone who has actually done this before responds

tree88
06-20-2013, 11:19 AM
that will bypass the switch completely.

feralhog
06-20-2013, 6:43 PM
Thanks..

feralhog
06-20-2013, 8:09 PM
I grounded both ends of green wire (from Ignition module and Harness) and the bike wont start or run..Could that be because I've grounded both ends and not just the one from IG MOD

So I put it back to normal the bike starts and runs and when I ground out the green wire with bike running it shuts it off..

Later on..
I Found an authentic wiring Diagram (Red, Green and black (all have white trailers))..All three wires go to cam position sensor from Ig Mod..I don't even see a bank angle sensor listed anywhere in the service manual index or diagrams..Perhaps there is none on a 96 1200 XL Custom setup or the BAS resides in the the Cam position sensor ; Nonetheless bike shuts off when green is grounded..If so i may be better off just replacing the CPS rather then bypassing a component within it...

Still a mystery at this point ..

paulw
06-20-2013, 9:32 PM
theres a pretty detailed post on xlforum on how to do all this

blackjx
06-20-2013, 9:56 PM
The '96 has a tip-over switch built into the timer. Pop off the cover, if it's just a small square, you don't have one, if it' has a big square appendage sticking out from the normal square, that's the switch. It doesn't hurt anything, but you can retrofit the simple one if you want.

blackjx
06-20-2013, 10:04 PM
BTW, you have three wires from the timer, red, green and black. That's the green wire you grounded and yes it prevent your bike from starting. The white and green wire that goes into the T/S module is for distance signal to cancel the turn signals after a given distance, not for the speedo light.

feralhog
06-20-2013, 11:52 PM
Ive called the Stealer and asked for a Bank angle sensor for this bike and i was on hold for 30 mins (even they were confused) ..They told me it is built in the TSM .Then Ive been reading post like these http://www.justanswer.com/motorcycle/28ofr-1996-harley-davidson-sportster-new-plugs-kill-switch.html That a mechanic cited its is in Cam Sensor ....Then Ive also read this post that quotes the Bank angle sensor wasnt introduced by HD until 1998 http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=52854.0 ...Ive also searched the XL fourm and couldn't find anything on this year ; a lot about the later models where grounding the green & grey wire apparently works on bikes that actually have a stand alone BAS.. Tons of peeps building bikes with out a BAS just grounding the green Ig Mod wire and engine fires up ; however it seems to just work on 98-01 Hd engines with Screaming Chicken Ignition Modules... Im working with a 96 1200 XL Custom and the Screaming Chicken Module setup..Now i know how to bypass it every bike out there except mine ha ha

blackjx
06-21-2013, 8:00 AM
Your T/S module does NOT have a BAS built into it/ "96 was the first year of the the BAS but I don't think it was called that. It's built into the timer plate. It really won't hurt anything if you leave it there. HD parts guys really don't know much usually. I wouldn't ask them for advice. BAS is built into the TSSm on '04 and up sportsters. They deal with late models all day, prolly weren't even working with bikes in '96.

feralhog
06-21-2013, 9:10 AM
Thanks Blacjx for clearing that up

So it is in timer plate and it may a little more complex then a simple stand alone switch; as far as doing a hotwire bypass...I was reading in shop manual to run a hot blow dryer on the timer plate ( or refrigerant ) to see if it cuts off bike while running as timer plate may be temperature sensitive; if so it says replace...This engine tends to randomly shut down when it is hot. outside...I will have to driil the rivets out as it has not been opened ever before; another sign that it is an aging component..

When you say retrofit do you mean buy an older timer from like a 95 & Under that don't have the BAS switch inside of it

This post was interesting http://www.justanswer.com/motorcycle...ll-switch.html --- "the green and black wire should spark when shorted" as i believe there is 5v signal current going through from ignition Module to the timer plate..As the tech claims that little spark rules out a bad coil and Ignition Module..

(So "Im guessing" when i grounded the Green wire from module i was actually shorting out that 5v signal from Ignition module causing the bike not to run...)

I still remained very doubtful after talking to Stealer parts dept..I had that feeling that they just wanted to unknowingly sell me a useless part ; ha ha ha...The BAS is in the TSM on some of the Later models I believe 2000 something-Up and that why I posted here to actually hear something from some one that knows whats what TIME it is..

blackjx
06-21-2013, 10:40 AM
Yeah, you can just install a timer from a pre-'95. It wires up the same and has no tip-over switch. The BAS is built into the TSSM from 2004 and up. 2003 and back have no TSSM, just a T/S module like yours.

feralhog
06-21-2013, 10:59 AM
Cool ..i was wondering if Id have to get a retro fitted Ignition module also but since it wires up same probably not..And thats how to bypass the BAS switch on this machine Thanks again

BrokenSprocketGarage
06-23-2013, 1:19 PM
There is so much wrong information and confusion in this thread it is making me shake my head. What exactly are you trying to accomplish, and why?
:banghead:
If you have three wires (red, green, black) coming out of the timer cover, then that is the camshaft position sensor. This ignition system uses a seperate Ignition Module, usually located behind the triangle shaped cover, left side, next to battery. ALL 1996 XL's have a turn signal CANCELLER .
Later model XL's (like '98-'03) have only an ignition module located behind the timing cover. And they also have only a turn signal CANCELLER.
2004 and up have a TSM or TSSM. And an I(gnition)C(ontrol)Module).
Ronnie's HD has a great parts lookup, so go check it out. Educate yourself, not the dumbass parts guy at the stealership.

blackjx
06-23-2013, 3:07 PM
Well here's some more disinformation.

This is a -95 timer with the built in tip over switch.
http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/TIMPREA/PHOTOACAMPOSITIONCENSORHD32448-95A.jpg

Here's the complete module version.
http://image.hotbikeweb.com/f/images/33717619+w193/0705_hbkp_08_z+ignition_module_install+oem_plate.j pg


Here's the basic timer.
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t399/xmprx/42331AF5-57F5-4494-965D-B60BE3555D93-22826-00001482E746DABE_zps73491f79.jpg

Notice the difference between number one and number two. They both have three wires and they are the same colors. They both use external wires, but the bigger, more elaborate one also includes a tip over switch. The middle unit is a complete system. The tip over version is a -95 used in 1996 sportsters. It functions identically to the basic timer, until you crash, then it shuts off.

Hopefully my few seconds spent googling up photographic proof will clear things up a bit.

blackjx
06-23-2013, 3:27 PM
There is so much wrong information and confusion in this thread it is making me shake my head. What exactly are you trying to accomplish, and why?
:banghead:
If you have three wires (red, green, black) coming out of the timer cover, then that is the camshaft position sensor. This ignition system uses a seperate Ignition Module, usually located behind the triangle shaped cover, left side, next to battery. ALL 1996 XL's have a turn signal CANCELLER .
Later model XL's (like '98-'03) have only an ignition module located behind the timing cover. And they also have only a turn signal CANCELLER.
2004 and up have a TSM or TSSM. And an I(gnition)C(ontrol)Module).
Ronnie's HD has a great parts lookup, so go check it out. Educate yourself, not the dumbass parts guy at the stealership.

I'm not sure who you're directing that at, but here's what I'm talking about,

Pic one is a -95 timer with built in tip-over switch:
http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/TIMPREA/PHOTOACAMPOSITIONCENSORHD32448-95A.jpg

Pic two is a basic timer -80:
http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/TIMPREA/PHOTOACAMPOSITIONCENSORHD32448-95A.jpg

Pic three is -98 module unit:
http://image.hotbikeweb.com/f/images/33717619+w179+h286+cr1+ar0/0705_hbkp_08_z%2Bignition_module_install%2Boem_pla te.jpg

Notice that both the -80 and the -95 timers have three wires, red, green and black, but the -95 has a large appendage built in. Tip-over switch! It functions identically to the -80, until there's a crash, then it stops the signal until the bike is righted. They aren't very reliable, as I've seen bikes with them running after falling over, but according to my $10,000 education they are tip-over switches. If you want to be sure, I'm pretty sure the tuition is up around 20k now and many instructors there are not very well versed in these things, so you'll have to shop around among them some.

The OP's sportster should have the -95 timer with the switch. The green wire he grounded is clearly visible on both the -80 and the -95. Hopefully this clears things up some.

blackjx
06-23-2013, 3:38 PM
oops, posted twice, sorry

halfday
06-24-2013, 4:23 AM
It could just be a small black rectangular box, smaller than a tic tacs box, that's mounted to the side of your battery tray, that's where mine was.

BrokenSprocketGarage
06-24-2013, 5:03 AM
I'm not sure who you're directing that at, but here's what I'm talking about,

Pic one is a -95 timer with built in tip-over switch:
http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/TIMPREA/PHOTOACAMPOSITIONCENSORHD32448-95A.jpg

Pic two is a basic timer -80:
http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/TIMPREA/PHOTOACAMPOSITIONCENSORHD32448-95A.jpg

Pic three is -98 module unit:
http://image.hotbikeweb.com/f/images/33717619+w179+h286+cr1+ar0/0705_hbkp_08_z%2Bignition_module_install%2Boem_pla te.jpg

Notice that both the -80 and the -95 timers have three wires, red, green and black, but the -95 has a large appendage built in. Tip-over switch! It functions identically to the -80, until there's a crash, then it stops the signal until the bike is righted. They aren't very reliable, as I've seen bikes with them running after falling over, but according to my $10,000 education they are tip-over switches. If you want to be sure, I'm pretty sure the tuition is up around 20k now and many instructors there are not very well versed in these things, so you'll have to shop around among them some.

The OP's sportster should have the -95 timer with the switch. The green wire he grounded is clearly visible on both the -80 and the -95. Hopefully this clears things up some.

This is good technical info. When bike owners start calling cancellers 'modules' and camshaft position sensors 'modules', it becomes very confusing. Using the right terms is critical to understanding what a particular part's function is.

Pictures are worth a thousand words.

OP has a '96 XL. There is absolutely no good reason to eliminate a tip over sensor on this model. Best to leave it alone!

feralhog
10-22-2013, 9:39 PM
No offense but ..

I further googled Turn signal Canceler and Low and behold Turn signal module is at top of the search list....

Actually can buy what is called a Run/Turn/Stop Module for a harley online at many websites..Ie

http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/tailbones-runturnstop-module-harley-davidson-fl-touringdynasoftailxl-sportster-models-96-up/part/BIKET-300?utm_source=adwordsfroogle&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=adwordsfroogle&utm_content=35076&gclid=CJn2lJD_q7oCFSNp7AodaU8AtQ

as well as countless items of the like called modules: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/sportster-turn-signal-module

Ta2jerry
11-22-2016, 11:04 PM
I do have a question and I don't want to feel like a dumb ass. I picked up a 98 sportster 883 basket case and been working on this bobber project for a couple months now. Can anyone tell me where the black green and red wire run to. I have a 2 post ignition coil it that helps

nickey
11-24-2016, 5:44 AM
I do have a question and I don't want to feel like a dumb ass. I picked up a 98 sportster 883 basket case and been working on this bobber project for a couple months now. Can anyone tell me where the black green and red wire run to. I have a 2 post ignition coil it that helps
I'll say it before others do, get a manual. I downloaded one from the ones listed in a thread here in this forum. It's helped a ton.

Where are the wires coming from? I've got an 02. There's a green wire from the starter to starter relay. And I believe the bank angle sensor had a green wire if I remember right.

Edit: here's some pics of the wiring diagram for 1998 models.

nickey
11-24-2016, 5:48 AM
http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac127/nggarrett/7C12882D-D1E1-450C-9360-1C881D2FE2D9.png (http://s892.photobucket.com/user/nggarrett/media/7C12882D-D1E1-450C-9360-1C881D2FE2D9.png.html)

http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac127/nggarrett/A6796B85-196D-4715-9518-523E87CE7B3F_1.png (http://s892.photobucket.com/user/nggarrett/media/A6796B85-196D-4715-9518-523E87CE7B3F_1.png.html)

Salty
11-24-2016, 3:42 PM
I'll say it before others do, get a manual.

thread is over 3 years old.

nickey
11-24-2016, 3:49 PM
thread is over 3 years old.

I had to go back and double check myself. 😂😂

But somebody brought it back up yesterday. Just trying to help.

Ta2jerry
11-24-2016, 8:52 PM
Thanks I've been looking all over aNFL found a few of the diagrams. When I picked up the motor most of the wiring has been cut the red,green, and black wires are coming out of the timing plate and my ignition coil has 2 post