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brooklynbomber
12-31-2012, 9:07 PM
Looking for some insight and help from the fellow CC painters...

I've always wanted to do moto and auto painting ever since I was a young kid and I'm finally going to put some money where my mouth is. 2013 is for putting up or shutting up.

I would like a little guidance with equipment purchases as I feel these are the foundation to anything worth putting your name on. Skill and practice probably is the biggest part of it but I know having the right tool that doesnt suck (and NOT made in China) goes a long way.

Spray Guns - I've seen a few styles, bottom paint cans and top paint cans. Which do you prefer? What is the most common these days? Is there a good middle of the road quality level/brand name for a good spray gun at an approachable price? I'd also like to know what set up you're using and why. i.e. 2 guns, 1 for primer 1 for paint or 1 for everything or 3 guns for all different types, that kind of thing. Do you also have a smaller gun for effects like fogs/fades kinda thing? What about tips? I'd like to be able to do old school type paints to basic color jobs so I'm sure I'd have to have multiple tips, there can't be a do all tip right? What sizes do you like? Best types to get? I've seen kits on TCP that are 3 guns, tips and holders etc for $99 but if its anything like a multi tool set, they normally lack in quality. I may not be able to buy the best right off the bat, but I dont want to buy CRAP. Never a good feeling. I have $75 at home depot, can something of good quality be had here to start off my collection (Its okay if $75 doesnt cover the whole cost either, just want to be able to put it to good use)? I'm open to buying stuff anywhere that is reputable. What kind of price range should I be seeing for a good quality gun (read not that super pro 5000 type spray gun, but not wanna be POS spray gun)

Air Brush - Similar questions as above, just looking for some guidance on good quality piece at a reasonable price. Want something to last awhile and do good work. Price range here too..

Compressor - For both spray guns and air brushing do you use a large compressor or can you use a smaller portable compressor? It looks like spray guns have built in control valves, do you do anything else to make sure you've got good control over what your spraying? Does water ever become a problem in the lines? What a no brainer, no fuss set up to be properly slinging paint and not fubar your jobs? Price range on these dudes..

I realize this may be a lot to answer but if you're feeling very friendly and want to help a fellow CC brother out learn some new skills and willing to let me in on some trade do's and don'ts, I'd be very appreciative. Heck you can even PM if you want.

There are many talented people out there who have inspired me over the years and I'd love to pick your brains.

Thank you and :killerjob:

CC rules! :cheersmate:

Jetblack
12-31-2012, 10:05 PM
I'm not a pro painter; but I did help out for a bit in a dudes body shop in Alabama when I was in college . I prefer the top fed cups on both...simply because you can see it needs paint before it runs out and starts blowing air on shit. Ironically; my personal gun sprayer and airbrushes are bottom fed. I have an old tank less compressor rated at 100lbs. It's a good idea to have a filter to remove moisture from the lines.

Now here comes the silliness...do I use any of this? Very very rarely, because I don't feel like dragging out all that shit and mixing everything up, then cleaning it all up. The ease of grabbing rattle cans; and slapping the plastic trigger accessory thing, on the top is too convenient for me. If I had a dedicated area for painting...things would be different.

sonny
12-31-2012, 10:14 PM
i have been painting my own rides and friends rides for 20 years . i like gravity feed guns for base and clear and primer , but i use a vaccum type pot gun for heavy flake . you need a large compressor . prep and primer is more important than laying down base and clears , modern 2 stage paint is very easy to use

brooklynbomber
12-31-2012, 10:25 PM
Sonny - thanks for the tips. Any reason you go for the vacuum style pots for flake?

sonny
12-31-2012, 10:38 PM
lol yes the pot style gun lays flake better ;) , on my gravity guns you have to turn pressue to high to shoot flake and can get runs very easy
this is a fender after i put flake in first coat of clear , it has not had additional coats of clear or been wet sanded here
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/2012-12-02_14-13-10_522.jpg

sonny
12-31-2012, 10:46 PM
this is my wifes bike , i shoot with gravity fed gun
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/heathersbike013.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/heathersbike012.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/heathersdecal002.jpg

sonny
12-31-2012, 10:53 PM
paint on one of my bikes , after 20 years im still learning . the best way to learn is grab a gun and start playing
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/100_0993.jpg
paint is about 3 years old in this picture
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/may011.jpg
bike i did about 12 years ago
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/bike.jpg
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u246/sonnydazegunsmithing/DCP_0028.jpg

brooklynbomber
12-31-2012, 11:17 PM
Sonny - I agree for sure. Just looking for some insight on some good guns and equipment. I dont want to pick up junk. Just like everything, there is a good and a bad.

Saltytonk
12-31-2012, 11:29 PM
Cool Brandon! Just get after it and practice.

I have alwyas been involved with art in one way or another my whole life but just started doing stuff like this about 3 years ago. In that time I've done 4 guitars, 4 bikes and an ass load of helmets and welding hoods . To varying degrees of success.
My setup now consists of 2 decent hvlp guns I got from autotoolmart.com cant remeber the brand they were about 60-70 bucks a piece. Then I've got 3 cheap hvlp guns from HF that I use each one for different tasks , one is strictly for primer , one is for clear, which I dont do alot of because I've got a buddy with a body shop that does most of my clear.and then I have one for flake.
My compressor as of now is a Craftsman 10 gal tank small but does well for the jobs I do.
I'm about to step up to a IR 60 gal mainly for my shop tools , Cut off tools will drain a compressor quick.

My airbrushes , I have a Paasche Talon that is my main airbrush. Lots of folks talk bad about them , but I love mine. I also have a Badger 100g , a Master G44 and an Eastwood .

I have an assortment of Mack pin stripe brushes and One Shot paints , and a Buegler pin striping tool.

Just start with a gun, airbrush , a couple pin stripe brushs and start playing. Maybe order a couple of instructional dvds. You can get good results without spending a ton of money.

brooklynbomber
12-31-2012, 11:44 PM
Cool Brandon! Just get after it and practice.

I have alwyas been involved with art in one way or another my whole life but just started doing stuff like this about 3 years ago. In that time I've done 4 guitars, 4 bikes and an ass load of helmets and welding hoods . To varying degrees of success.
My setup now consists of 2 decent hvlp guns I got from autotoolmart.com cant remeber the brand they were about 60-70 bucks a piece. Then I've got 3 cheap hvlp guns from HF that I use each one for different tasks , one is strictly for primer , one is for clear, which I dont do alot of because I've got a buddy with a body shop that does most of my clear.and then I have one for flake.
My compressor as of now is a Craftsman 10 gal tank small but does well for the jobs I do.
I'm about to step up to a IR 60 gal mainly for my shop tools , Cut off tools will drain a compressor quick.

My airbrushes , I have a Paasche Talon that is my main airbrush. Lots of folks talk bad about them , but I love mine. I also have a Badger 100g , a Master G44 and an Eastwood .

I have an assortment of Mack pin stripe brushes and One Shot paints , and a Buegler pin striping tool.

Just start with a gun, airbrush , a couple pin stripe brushs and start playing. Maybe order a couple of instructional dvds. You can get good results without spending a ton of money.

Gabe - awesome. I really appreciate that. I bought the Spritz by Fritz as a kick off and going to order some books by John Kosmoski, a true legend. This year I am going to get some good tools and get to gettin! My biggest challenge is a proper space for painting. Living in Brooklyn doesnt offer up much space and my bike shop is a shared space with many bikes a little room to set up a paint booth.

sonny
12-31-2012, 11:47 PM
Sonny - I agree for sure. Just looking for some insight on some good guns and equipment. I dont want to pick up junk. Just like everything, there is a good and a bad.
you are going to think im a nut but this is a very good starter gun

http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/paint/high-volume-low-pressure-gravity-feed-spray-gun-66222.html

OhioFlameThrower
01-01-2013, 2:39 AM
For spray guns, I use a couple DeVilbiss Fiibish Line guns with 1.3 tips... one for colors and one for clearcoats... reasonable price, easy to adjust, inexpensibe/plentiful parts. I just ordered a Finish Line touch-up gun with a 1.0 tip... was gonna biu a DeVilbiss SRI Pro but could not get past the $300+ price.

For airbrushes, I have Paasches but use them only for mundane shit such as intercoat clearing over artwork because I simply LOVE the Iwata HP-CS... again, it's reasonably-priced and does everything that I need it to do. After burning up a couple Paasche airbrush air compressors, I bought a cheapie Harbor freight and it has run flawlessly for over three years... go figure!

My painting compressor is a nice little 2-hp 220V DeVilbiss that I bought new about 20 years ago. IMO, your compressor selection is completely driven by whether you plan to paint just bikes or include cars. You need MUCH less a/c to keep up painting bikes but need PLENTY of a/c to paint cars. Bikes vs. cars is a TOTALLY different usage.

I have been painting for about 8 years and have gotten extremely serious about painting for clients the past few years. So I will throw in one other observation... the equipment is secondary to the practice of the painter, but better equipment will make your painting experience easier and will minimize your frustration.

www.flamethrowercustoms.blogspot.com
www.flamethrowercustoms.com

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2649.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2586.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/BobbySmith05.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2487.jpg

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MIKE47
01-01-2013, 9:00 AM
Brooklynbomber, I have some paint if you want to come out and grab some from me. It's older stuff from past jobs but has always been stored inside in steady climate so it's usable for practice at least. I am never going to use this stuff. I gave up painting due to space restrictions and not having a clean enough shop to do it in well. I have a bunch of different colors. Probably a few gallons total. I'm only keeping the stuff I bought for my own current projects. The rest is yours. I'll also be glad to give you some pointers and show you how to set up some shop equipment to help you avoid common pitfalls. If you want it drop me an email mike@47fab.com.

brooklynbomber
01-01-2013, 10:21 AM
Ohio - Thank you for your insight. I really admire your work a lot and appreciate the tips tremendously.

I've been looking at Devilbiss brands which seem like a trusted brand. They have some nice guns for sure including Starting Line which are right in my price range. Any other brands people like?

brooklynbomber
01-01-2013, 10:22 AM
Brooklynbomber, I have some paint if you want to come out and grab some from me. It's older stuff from past jobs but has always been stored inside in steady climate so it's usable for practice at least. I am never going to use this stuff. I gave up painting due to space restrictions and not having a clean enough shop to do it in well. I have a bunch of different colors. Probably a few gallons total. I'm only keeping the stuff I bought for my own current projects. The rest is yours. I'll also be glad to give you some pointers and show you how to set up some shop equipment to help you avoid common pitfalls. If you want it drop me an email mike@47fab.com.

Mike - Thanks man!! I will definitely take you up on this! I'll email you later today.

malloy
01-01-2013, 10:24 AM
great thread.. i've been using a HF gun with good results. mainly for primer and some color.. nothing too serious.. how long does paint last when in the container. I have some dupont chromabase paint that wasn't cheap.,, if sealed in the can, what is the usual shelf life.... thanks .

sonny
01-01-2013, 11:01 AM
For spray guns, I use a couple DeVilbiss Fiibish Line guns with 1.3 tips... one for colors and one for clearcoats... reasonable price, easy to adjust, inexpensibe/plentiful parts. I just ordered a Finish Line touch-up gun with a 1.0 tip... was gonna biu a DeVilbiss SRI Pro but could not get past the $300+ price.

For airbrushes, I have Paasches but use them only for mundane shit such as intercoat clearing over artwork because I simply LOVE the Iwata HP-CS... again, it's reasonably-priced and does everything that I need it to do. After burning up a couple Paasche airbrush air compressors, I bought a cheapie Harbor freight and it has run flawlessly for over three years... go figure!

My painting compressor is a nice little 2-hp 220V DeVilbiss that I bought new about 20 years ago. IMO, your compressor selection is completely driven by whether you plan to paint just bikes or include cars. You need MUCH less a/c to keep up painting bikes but need PLENTY of a/c to paint cars. Bikes vs. cars is a TOTALLY different usage.

I have been painting for about 8 years and have gotten extremely serious about painting for clients the past few years. So I will throw in one other observation... the equipment is secondary to the practice of the painter, but better equipment will make your painting experience easier and will minimize your frustration.

www.flamethrowercustoms.blogspot.com
www.flamethrowercustoms.com

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2649.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2586.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/BobbySmith05.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2487.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2458.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2395.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/OhioFlameThrower/100_2220.jpg
your paint looks awesome :killerjob: ,
i always wonder how guys get buy with small compressors but i guess they dont use da or inline sanders ect ect ect

OhioFlameThrower
01-01-2013, 12:03 PM
The only non-painting compressed air that I use is to occasionally DA something. I only paint bikes so my buffing is done with a 6" electric detailing buffer.

www.flamethrowercustoms.blogspot.com
www.flamethrowercustoms.com