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DeathWish13
12-18-2012, 9:58 PM
I'm from NY and was wondering how I see alotta guys riding around with new bikes without turn signals on their chops (which I plan on doing). I thought if it came with it stock, you had to have them on it for inspection. Thanks in advance!

Roush
12-18-2012, 10:09 PM
NY myself and I heard the same far as if it came with them you must run turn signals. Now i know that if you have an "in" you can still pass NYSI cause as long as you use your hand signals the cops wont bug you atleast around my area

backwithabang
12-18-2012, 10:16 PM
I never ran em, don't drive like an asshole and never had a problem

deadbeatchopper
12-19-2012, 12:27 AM
the ama website has a list of motorcycle laws like this on there website state by state. http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Rights/State-Laws.aspx?stateid=4

vin
12-19-2012, 9:00 AM
pretty sure NY is something like 72+ must have. where i get my inspections, they never turn the bike on and check, just a quick walk around so i just used some double sided tape and stuck a set of those flush led sportbike type on for the insp then pulled them back off. i have never had a problem with police using hand signals. long island here....

Leiffireeater80
12-19-2012, 10:05 AM
I live in Ride in Brooklyn with no turn signals and have never had a problem. I think the advice of not riding like an asshole goes a long way.

DeathWish13
12-19-2012, 11:13 AM
Thanks guys yea Im up here near Rochester, I don't ride like a dick so shouldnt be a big deal I'll do stick-ons for inspection too.

tattoo2303
12-19-2012, 12:51 PM
yeah the difference between NYC and up here is the cops got nothing better to do around here, unless you have a "guy" to get ya a sticker, chances are your gonna be running wires, flashers and switches and shit to get ya some flashing lights to get said sticker, i always had the idea to make a quick on quick off set up to throw on each year for the inspection.

the chances off you getting pulled over because they dont see signals are slim, however, not seeing the right color sticker is an easy way to run you through the system, not riding like an asshole goes a long way but what you deem an asshole and a cop meeting a quota are not always the same thing, a chopped up, garage custom bike could snowball into quite a few "saftey infractions" if the guy wants to be a dick, also you have to look out for bike specific inspection stops. im local to you so i know the area and they have done them around here

tattoo2303
12-19-2012, 12:53 PM
i thought the cut off was in the 70s too, but just got the new showclass calendar and it says 85+ are required............ beats me

brooklynbomber
12-19-2012, 1:20 PM
Technically you need them by law and for inspection. As mentioned above, if you have an in at an inspection station you may be able to pass without them. I too ride in Brooklyn and my previous bike didnt have signals and vertically mounted plate which are both illegal. I got my bike inspected at Indian Larry's shop where thy build bikes that aren't street legal either. All they did was make sure I didnt have anything looking janky on the bike and all normal safety items suchs as brakes, drivetrain etc looked in good working order. On the flipside I tried to get my bike inspected at another shop once before and they flat our failed me right away.

DeathWish13
12-19-2012, 3:34 PM
Yea I hear ya I'm gonna run a quick on-off set up for inspection, I'm out in the stix anyways so the cops here don't even know their own laws, so I prolly would never get pulled, more askin about inspection. And I ride low key on main roads, don't draw undue attention to myself.

backwithabang
12-19-2012, 6:41 PM
Your bike needs them 72 and up unless the model never had them up to 1985. Take an xlch or r serial number triumph for example

As said. Don't drive like an asshole in the city and cops will leave you alone. Suburbs though you'll be fucked either way.
My advice for suburb guys is small or led signals mounted somewhere where they don't stick out. Also make sure you get a pink my little pony horn from toys r us and zip tie that bad boy on there.

Also baffles/mufflers. Use the letter of the law to your advantage here. Use a lollipop (bolt with a washer welded to it at the end of your pipe). It not only technically defines a baffle it makes it impossible to the cops to stick that sound measuring device in your pipe, therefore not giving them any real evidence to charge you with. Since I hate this state here's some more advice. If you chop a Harley that has frame numbers and use a different frame keep that frame and use it again. You need to only insure and register one of those bikes and they both will be "legal". Just switch the plate when you ride one. Use an inspection sticker bolt on plate and switch that too. Have a bike with no papers? Do not get it bonded. Make sure the numbers are clear and sell it to someone on paper in Maine (you'll find someone who does this trust me). He registers it in Maine which requires no title and will sell it back to you along with a paper from Maine that every other state must treat as a title.

Fuck this state. Every hour you work close to 8 percent of your hourly is going to welfare. Just because you can't pop out 8 kids from 8 different fathers sit home and watch opera on a 60 inch We paid for and drop the kids off at daycare in an escalade we paid for doesn't mean we can't fuck this state too

***remember your average DMV employee doesn't care and is stupid. You can pull off some serious Andy Dufraine motorcycle identity shit in this state and make it legal with the right paperwork. I can walk you through making a 62 hd keep its transferable registration with s and s case numbers or merely inventing a 50s EL number by switching the place of a letter and number (whoops typographic error and since that number never existed its clean) just don't go entering it at a AMA show and all will be just fine

DeathWish13
12-19-2012, 7:01 PM
Yea man I just got out of the USMC and as soon as I'm done with school (for welding) I'm the fuck out of this socialist hellhole. Thanks for the advice.

tattoo2303
12-19-2012, 8:46 PM
Your bike needs them 72 and up unless the model never had them up to 1985. Take an xlch or r serial number triumph for example

As said. Don't drive like an asshole in the city and cops will leave you alone. Suburbs though you'll be fucked either way.
My advice for suburb guys is small or led signals mounted somewhere where they don't stick out. Also make sure you get a pink my little pony horn from toys r us and zip tie that bad boy on there.

Also baffles/mufflers. Use the letter of the law to your advantage here. Use a lollipop (bolt with a washer welded to it at the end of your pipe). It not only technically defines a baffle it makes it impossible to the cops to stick that sound measuring device in your pipe, therefore not giving them any real evidence to charge you with. Since I hate this state here's some more advice. If you chop a Harley that has frame numbers and use a different frame keep that frame and use it again. You need to only insure and register one of those bikes and they both will be "legal". Just switch the plate when you ride one. Use an inspection sticker bolt on plate and switch that too. Have a bike with no papers? Do not get it bonded. Make sure the numbers are clear and sell it to someone on paper in Maine (you'll find someone who does this trust me). He registers it in Maine which requires no title and will sell it back to you along with a paper from Maine that every other state must treat as a title.

Fuck this state. Every hour you work close to 8 percent of your hourly is going to welfare. Just because you can't pop out 8 kids from 8 different fathers sit home and watch opera on a 60 inch We paid for and drop the kids off at daycare in an escalade we paid for doesn't mean we can't fuck this state too

***remember your average DMV employee doesn't care and is stupid. You can pull off some serious Andy Dufraine motorcycle identity shit in this state and make it legal with the right paperwork. I can walk you through making a 62 hd keep its transferable registration with s and s case numbers or merely inventing a 50s EL number by switching the place of a letter and number (whoops typographic error and since that number never existed its clean) just don't go entering it at a AMA show and all will be just fine

You my friend sound like a wizard, and I like it! I know there's more than one way to skin a cat but hadn't thought of some of the things you brought up. Something I've been curious about is if I register my bike to New Jersey would that do away with the need for an inspection?? Is it "legal"?

Roush
12-19-2012, 8:46 PM
Well I'm in the stix to, in finger lakes area and the don't ride like an asshole is true for our area. There is alot of cops in the area that ride so I don't get bothered...better knock on woood now. Far as the exhaust...well I'm running a 2-1 with no baffllesand haven't had the man even look at me going by.

backwithabang
12-19-2012, 9:25 PM
You my friend sound like a wizard, and I like it! I know there's more than one way to skin a cat but hadn't thought of some of the things you brought up. Something I've been curious about is if I register my bike to New Jersey would that do away with the need for an inspection?? Is it "legal"?

You can ride a bike in nys with other plates and they can't subject you to nys laws. Same with a car. When I lived in Chicago I kept my expired nys Reggie and plates and they couldn't do shit to me. Nor did I have to pay any parking tickets because my license was still from ny so I had no need to go to their DMV. Look no farther than uhaul every truck they have is registered in Arizona. That is because they don't need to inspect them in that state so they can be rolling death traps and often are

Just know your laws. Find loopholes. I was pre-law in college. Just became a vagrant instead. NY has a bunch of "tough" laws but they are relatively plastic and easy to get around. Also boys... If your old lady has any evidence you banged a gal out of state it's not admissible in nys divorce court. Sure you'll still get divorced but she may not get everything you own

Brendden
12-19-2012, 9:42 PM
I know this doesnt matter in NY but in texas, if you got them they ahve to work, if you dont, well you dont.

ugotbit
12-19-2012, 9:51 PM
I'm in NY too, Albany area.

I've had sportbikes in the past, and got my dick busted for no mirrors and vertical plate mounts. I acutally got pulled over TWO times on the Northway on my way to work for the SAME things (mirrors and plate)

My 67 is my first chop, and honestly I thought about paying a little extra to get "Historical" plates. Figured the cops wouldn't want to waste their time on me and my no turn signals. I'm paranoid because the numbers on the case don't match the frame, though it's titled and they are both clean.

backwithabang
12-19-2012, 10:05 PM
There is no "law" against a vertical plate yet other than it having to be on the left side and have a light that I know of. But I know that's changing and I think you can actually have the plate printed vertically now for an extra cost. But a cop can pull you over for not being able to "read" the plate well and that will hold up and give him reason to nail you for everything else he wants. There will be a shitload of changes and stricter inspections next season due to the insane number of accidents, deaths, Ect in NYS in the past year

nate00
12-19-2012, 10:20 PM
Im in NY too (Lake George area) and we get harassed for every little thing up this way by the state police. County cops rarely give a shit, but the state boys have some power trip once they got you pulled over i guess they figure they might as well write you for everything he can.

trithumper
12-21-2012, 6:12 AM
Be real careful here fellas. I live in TN. There is no turn signal law for a motorcycle. I got pulled over by an asshole of a cop. I was charged with NO moving violation! Was doing NOTHING wrong. It was after dark and he wrote me a NO TURN SIGNAL ticket. He claimed after dark hand signals were not sufficient. I went to court to fight it. He threw up a simple lighting law about distance from behind in which you must be visible. I asked the judge if the law he quoted was referring to a taillight and not a signal!?!?! The judge sided with the officer (of course) and the ticket cost me $375. They will bend the rules to get ya if they want ya!

bobscogin
12-21-2012, 7:19 AM
The Feds made installation of turn signals by the bike manufacturers mandatory for bikes built January 1 1973 and after. Most states follow that FMVSS law when looking for compliance but I've heard of exceptions.

Bob

planningoncrashing
12-21-2012, 11:26 AM
Be real careful here fellas. I live in TN. There is no turn signal law for a motorcycle. I got pulled over by an asshole of a cop. I was charged with NO moving violation! Was doing NOTHING wrong. It was after dark and he wrote me a NO TURN SIGNAL ticket. He claimed after dark hand signals were not sufficient. I went to court to fight it. He threw up a simple lighting law about distance from behind in which you must be visible. I asked the judge if the law he quoted was referring to a taillight and not a signal!?!?! The judge sided with the officer (of course) and the ticket cost me $375. They will bend the rules to get ya if they want ya!

This will be long and off-topic, but I hate to see stuff like this happen. You got worked there, man. They can only bend the rules so far. For future reference...

TCA 55-8-144.b : Any motor vehicle in use on a highway shall be equipped with, and required signal shall be given by, a signal lamp or lamps or mechanical signal device approved by the department when the distance from the center of the top of the steering post to the left outside limit of the body, cab or load of the motor vehicle exceeds twenty-four inches (24''), or when the distance from the center of the top of the steering post to the rear limit of the body or load thereof exceeds fourteen feet (14').

That's what makes turn signals non-compulsory on motorcycles in Tennessee. They're not long enough or wide enough to require turn signals.

TCA 55-8-143.b : [Which deals with signaling turns.] The signal required in this section shall be given by means of the hand and arm, or by some mechanical or electrical device approved by the department of safety, in the manner specified in this section. [It then describes hand signals.]

That's what provides the alternative signals we can use.

If you're going to dispute a ticket, go to court armed with something. The cop wouldn't have written the ticket if he didn't think he could defend it on some grounds, even if they're trumped-up and irrelevant (as in this case). The first excerpt shows clear intent on the part of the lawmakers to exempt small motor vehicles from being required to have lighted turn signals, and there is no mention of after-dark visibility with hand signals in Tennessee Code, nor is there any FMVSS requirement for the same. You don't have to know that there's no FMVSS requirement for hand signal visibility, you just have to ask the judge to make the officer produce the FMVSS requirement for hand signal visibility, which of course he won't be able to do.

You can find the first excerpt by doing a full-text search for "turn signal": http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/tncode/, and the second with a little poking around (it's just prior).

Tennessee is easy, because Lexis has all the searchable code up for free right now, but most states have code available online with some digging. An hour of homework might save you $375 next time.

Andy
12-21-2012, 4:40 PM
The Feds made installation of turn signals by the bike manufacturers mandatory for bikes built January 1 1973 and after. Most states follow that FMVSS law when looking for compliance but I've heard of exceptions.

Yep it's a federal madate and should be enforced by all states. That ama link is not accurate, they list nj as not needed turn signals, and that's not true. Check your state dmv website as they might list the year turn signals are necessary, but don't get hung up on it. If you take it easy and don't create a scene the cops aren't going to bust your balls.

Andy
12-21-2012, 4:45 PM
You can ride a bike in nys with other plates and they can't subject you to nys laws. Same with a car.

You have to be careful with this one. Things like tinted windows might fly if your registered state allows them and the state you're in doesn't. But things like loud pipes, etc. most likely won't fly and you could very well get a ticket. States use tickets as revenue, they know if you're from out of state that you'll most likely pay the ticket as you don't want to go to court.

Andy
12-21-2012, 4:50 PM
My 67 is my first chop, and honestly I thought about paying a little extra to get "Historical" plates. Figured the cops wouldn't want to waste their time on me and my no turn signals. I'm paranoid because the numbers on the case don't match the frame, though it's titled and they are both clean.

Be careful with historical plates, some states have restrictions on miles and that the vehicle is to be used for shows, etc., no daily riding/commuting. I don't think they really enforce it, but when I read the information for here in Jersey, I said screw it and I'll keep my regular registration.

You shouldn't have to worry about signals on a '67 as the federal mandate is something like '73 or what was mentioned in another post.

What you need to worry about is your '67 having frame numbers. A stock '67 frame doesn't have frame numbers, the only vin number is the one of the left side case. Maybe your bike is titled as a special construction?

ugotbit
12-21-2012, 9:15 PM
Be careful with historical plates, some states have restrictions on miles and that the vehicle is to be used for shows, etc., no daily riding/commuting. I don't think they really enforce it, but when I read the information for here in Jersey, I said screw it and I'll keep my regular registration.

You shouldn't have to worry about signals on a '67 as the federal mandate is something like '73 or what was mentioned in another post.

What you need to worry about is your '67 having frame numbers. A stock '67 frame doesn't have frame numbers, the only vin number is the one of the left side case. Maybe your bike is titled as a special construction?

Andy- I did see on the DMV site that "You cannot use a historical vehicle for daily transportation" I'm not exactly sure what that means, but the bike is not my main source of transporttation, so I figured it was worth a shot.

That's the first I have heard about a 67 Trump not having frame numbers. They look legit, match the title, and it's titled as a 1967 TR6 Triumph.

Andy
12-22-2012, 6:48 AM
Andy- I did see on the DMV site that "You cannot use a historical vehicle for daily transportation" I'm not exactly sure what that means, but the bike is not my main source of transporttation, so I figured it was worth a shot.

That's the first I have heard about a 67 Trump not having frame numbers. They look legit, match the title, and it's titled as a 1967 TR6 Triumph.

Yeah that's the same thing they say here in Jersey, it means you are to only be using that vehicle for shows, educational purposes, etc. If you ride to work everyday and a cop really wants to break balls, they can. Watch with insurance as well, some of the classic/historical vehicle insurances have milage restrictions and the no daily driving, etc. I don't think anyone ever gets their balls busted for this, but you never know?

Sorry, thought your were referring to a '67 Harley, that's why I mentioned that there should be no frame numbers. Thanks for clarifying that you have a '67 Triumph.

trifive
12-23-2012, 11:22 AM
Your bike needs them 72 and up unless the model never had them up to 1985. Take an xlch or r serial number triumph for example

As said. Don't drive like an asshole in the city and cops will leave you alone. Suburbs though you'll be fucked either way.
My advice for suburb guys is small or led signals mounted somewhere where they don't stick out. Also make sure you get a pink my little pony horn from toys r us and zip tie that bad boy on there.

Also baffles/mufflers. Use the letter of the law to your advantage here. Use a lollipop (bolt with a washer welded to it at the end of your pipe). It not only technically defines a baffle it makes it impossible to the cops to stick that sound measuring device in your pipe, therefore not giving them any real evidence to charge you with. Since I hate this state here's some more advice. If you chop a Harley that has frame numbers and use a different frame keep that frame and use it again. You need to only insure and register one of those bikes and they both will be "legal". Just switch the plate when you ride one. Use an inspection sticker bolt on plate and switch that too. Have a bike with no papers? Do not get it bonded. Make sure the numbers are clear and sell it to someone on paper in Maine (you'll find someone who does this trust me). He registers it in Maine which requires no title and will sell it back to you along with a paper from Maine that every other state must treat as a title.

Fuck this state. Every hour you work close to 8 percent of your hourly is going to welfare. Just because you can't pop out 8 kids from 8 different fathers sit home and watch opera on a 60 inch We paid for and drop the kids off at daycare in an escalade we paid for doesn't mean we can't fuck this state too

***remember your average DMV employee doesn't care and is stupid. You can pull off some serious Andy Dufraine motorcycle identity shit in this state and make it legal with the right paperwork. I can walk you through making a 62 hd keep its transferable registration with s and s case numbers or merely inventing a 50s EL number by switching the place of a letter and number (whoops typographic error and since that number never existed its clean) just don't go entering it at a AMA show and all will be just fine

Great advice-If you want a fistful of tickets and/or your bike impounded,Affixing a state inspection sticker to a removable plate is a definite no-no. Zip tie a horn to the bike? Take a look at the inspection regulations in NY. The inspection sticker must be permanently affixed to a structural member and visible when approaching the bike from the left. The horn must be audible at a distance of 200 feet. These two items will get you ticketed and more than likely get your bike a thorough going over for other infractions . What do you think will happen when the officer can't find any frame numbers?

backwithabang
12-23-2012, 1:38 PM
Great advice-If you want a fistful of tickets and/or your bike impounded,Affixing a state inspection sticker to a removable plate is a definite no-no. Zip tie a horn to the bike? Take a look at the inspection regulations in NY. The inspection sticker must be permanently affixed to a structural member and visible when approaching the bike from the left. The horn must be audible at a distance of 200 feet. These two items will get you ticketed and more than likely get your bike a thorough going over for other infractions . What do you think will happen when the officer can't find any frame numbers?

Holy shit, apparently Mario cuomo is on chopcult now, I'm sure my acab tattoo on my neck will help me just fine getting tickets without my horn helping the matter, So do whatever the fuck you want. Play by their rules or play in the grey area. I see tons of fucking baggers rocking the plate inspections brackets. Everyone I know rocks the squeak horn for inspection. If you think that a stock horn on a 67 triumph is any louder than a squeak horn you are an idiot. And if they want to hit you for that than I'd demand how he would know that my stock horn or squeak horn could be heard from over traffic and my engine any differently and from beyond 200 feet with the pig's window closed and his a/c and radio on.

If you are so worried about a cop looking for frame numbers. Then stamp them in. Oh shit, that may be illegal too, I'm sorry. But fuck this state and fuck every cop I ever met. I will continue to find every loophole I can and try to use it. I will have a valid argument on everything they try to get me on. And if that doesn't work I'll go to jail for a night and pay a fine. You want to play in the grey areas you run the risk of a cop hitting you for everything but I'm gonna play the odds that if you keep your mouth shut and don't mouth off that your average cop isn't going to know as much as we do about bikes, and more importantly not go through all the time and effort of hitting you with all that paperwork if you aren't being an asshole.

To each their own, I never liked playing by the rules, or ever liked a cop. My advice and ways are taunting to the legal system. Maybe people like you run big fat directionals on their chop and fucking wear flourescent green vests for visibility, an actual DOT helmet, and carry an actual fucking stamped neck on them in case they are asked for frame numbers to match on a later Harley model. Mufflers measured to NYS decibel level acceptance and so on. People do. That's their thing. It's not mine. I have been playing this game for years in this state with no problems. I'm sure ill run into them eventually. But until then....I also specified this shit won't work everywhere especially in the burbs. I ride primarily in a city. Where cops have better things to do then nail guys not bothering anybody with 900 violations. If I go for a longer jaunt do you think I'd be stupid enough to bring a Panhead that's louder than Godzilla taking a shit, with questionable numbers through some posh suburb's Main Street? This is all about using your head people. And if you only have one bike or live in high class suburb? logically it would be wise to play by most of the rules. That's common sense.

trifive
12-23-2012, 2:16 PM
WOW. If you don't like following the rules,that's your business.As far as liking cops,I've met good and bad ones.Everybody bends the rules to a certain extent,but what you are advocating will get you jammed up.Because you've gotten away so far does not make you smart, just lucky.

backwithabang
12-23-2012, 2:38 PM
WOW. If you don't like following the rules,that's your business.As far as liking cops,I've met good and bad ones.Everybody bends the rules to a certain extent,but what you are advocating will get you jammed up.Because you've gotten away so far does not make you smart, just lucky.

I pretty much just said that. But thanks for making that clear. I wish I met a decent cop. And that's maybe my past, my attitude and my problem. But that's my opinion. And I'm not lucky, you can be smart with your actions and extra money. This is after all NY. Political contributions go a long way around here. They can get you jobs, your family jobs, you out of trouble, and those who try to get you in trouble's jobs taken away and lives ruined. I'm not some fucking banner waving punk sir, I play politics, and if you want to see people really jamming the rules. Look no further than those who make them

Andy
12-23-2012, 8:36 PM
If you chop a Harley that has frame numbers and use a different frame keep that frame and use it again. You need to only insure and register one of those bikes and they both will be "legal". Just switch the plate when you ride one. Use an inspection sticker bolt on plate and switch that too.

Sorry but that's really bad advice. If you put together a bike with a new frame, it will have a serial number and will come with an mso. Your Harley frame number/registration will not match that new frame number. Even if you put a titled '69 and earlier motor into a numbered frame, guess what, now that has to become a special construction because frame numbers supersede those engine numbers. That's just bad advice.

Don't forget about what New York has been doing for the past few years, roadside check points where every motorcycle must enter. Cops check your license, registration, insurance, and your bike. You can't avoid them and don't know when or where they'll be.

backwithabang
12-23-2012, 10:54 PM
Technically you can ride any frame that's numbered with an mso or no numbers of its older with your registration off your engine provided you have the original neck with you proving you still own it. Who are they to say you didn't wreck the other bike? What the fuck is a cop going to say if you provide the neck and tell him a car ran over your parked bike and you used an aftermarket frame? Provided you still have that original neck. I never said my advice is good. I just said it technically works. I never seen one of these mythical checkpoints. Nor has a cop ever checked my numbers or even knew where to look for them.

What I do requires some gambling and balls. Which some people don't like to do or do not have.

Everyone please disregard everything I ever said and refer to the nys road Marshall's of chop cult if you want to play by every rule. I apologize. I am Bowing out of this thread because I have to go back to my illegal ways of turning right on red during the wrong times and asking the seller of my next bike to put a lower amount on the receipt, downloading music off the Internet without PAYING for it, and ripping the tags off my mattresses

Andy
12-24-2012, 9:55 AM
Technically you can ride any frame that's numbered with an mso or no numbers of its older with your registration off your engine provided you have the original neck with you proving you still own it. Who are they to say you didn't wreck the other bike? What the fuck is a cop going to say if you provide the neck and tell him a car ran over your parked bike and you used an aftermarket frame? Provided you still have that original neck. I never said my advice is good. I just said it technically works. I never seen one of these mythical checkpoints. Nor has a cop ever checked my numbers or even knew where to look for them.

What I do requires some gambling and balls. Which some people don't like to do or do not have.

Your advice again is totally wrong. I'd love for your to provide a link from the NY DMV showing that you can "technically" ride any frame provided you still own the neck.

Think about it, you're talking about riding around on a bike that has a frame number (serial number from aftermarket frame), and a cop checks those numbers, guess what, they don't match what's on your registration. Do you really think the cop is going to listen to you that you have the original frame/neck at home? You're riding around on a bike that has been altered, that's why they have special construction titles. After 1970 Harley's are titled by frame numbers, if the vin number on your registration doesn't match what's on the frame neck, then you don't have a leg to stand on, it's not the same bike.

As far as those "mythical checkpoints", ask this guy about them:

http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55220

Read the whole thread and you'll see that they do check numbers.
In NY they do them in random locations around weekends of events, such as Americade or Rhinebeck, etc.

backwithabang
12-24-2012, 4:57 PM
Your advice again is totally wrong. I'd love for your to provide a link from the NY DMV showing that you can "technically" ride any frame provided you still own the neck.

Think about it, you're talking about riding around on a bike that has a frame number (serial number from aftermarket frame), and a cop checks those numbers, guess what, they don't match what's on your registration. Do you really think the cop is going to listen to you that you have the original frame/neck at home? You're riding around on a bike that has been altered, that's why they have special construction titles. After 1970 Harley's are titled by frame numbers, if the vin number on your registration doesn't match what's on the frame neck, then you don't have a leg to stand on, it's not the same bike.

As far as those "mythical checkpoints", ask this guy about them:

http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55220

Read the whole thread and you'll see that they do check numbers.
In NY they do them in random locations around weekends of events, such as Americade or Rhinebeck, etc.

First off I'm sick of arguing on this thread with someone who is sounding like a cop or Moto boyscout. I already stated that I play on the "sketch" side of rules so I frankly give zero fucks

However I did want to state that I said that you can provide the original neck. I meant that physically. Like cut the thing off and carry it with you. If that doesn't hold up to some stupid pig harassing people at a "motorcycle checkpoint" about turn signals and matching frame numbers. Then I don't know what will.

If that's your scene downstate. I'm glad I don't live anywhere near there. I'm not reading your thread because that vile board subjects my phone and computer to some strange adware and myself to a large amount of idiocy

bobscogin
12-24-2012, 5:10 PM
What I do requires some gambling and balls. Which some people don't like to do or do not have.


Many are the riders who substituted balls for brains and ended up with an impounded bike.:rolleyes:

Bob

Andy
12-24-2012, 5:37 PM
First off I'm sick of arguing on this thread with someone who is sounding like a cop or Moto boyscout. I already stated that I play on the "sketch" side of rules so I frankly give zero fucks

However I did want to state that I said that you can provide the original neck. I meant that physically. Like cut the thing off and carry it with you. If that doesn't hold up to some stupid pig harassing people at a "motorcycle checkpoint" about turn signals and matching frame numbers. Then I don't know what will.

If that's your scene downstate. I'm glad I don't live anywhere near there. I'm not reading your thread because that vile board subjects my phone and computer to some strange adware and myself to a large amount of idiocy

No cop here, just someone who believes in not giving them anything that can question my possessions.

You really should read that link I provided, it might make you think about the reality of things.

I'm still laughing about carrying around your old neck with you. Where do you put that, in your pocket, bungeed to the handlebars, or worn like a necklace?

Don't forget that NY is NY, they can have checkpoints anywhere in the state, yeah downstate is better for the volume, but no one is immune.

backwithabang
12-24-2012, 5:45 PM
No cop here, just someone who believes in not giving them anything that can question my possessions.

You really should read that link I provided, it might make you think about the reality of things.

I'm still laughing about carrying around your old neck with you. Where do you put that, in your pocket, bungeed to the handlebars, or worn like a necklace?

Don't forget that NY is NY, they can have checkpoints anywhere in the state, yeah downstate is better for the volume, but no one is immune.

Saddlebag
33406

Right next to the ka-bar.works good for carrying items, which is located between the front end with no inspection sticker and the plate off my neighbors Honda

Andy
12-24-2012, 6:22 PM
Saddlebag
33406

Right next to the ka-bar.works good for carrying items, which is located between the front end with no inspection sticker and the plate off my neighbors Honda

That's great, but man you just don't get it. If a cop ever checked your numbers and noticed they didn't match the reigstration, I'd love to see his expression when you pull the oem neck out of your saddlebag. That would be classic. That's kind of like changing your identity and carrying around an old drivers license with your old identity. Props to you for not caring about shit.

backwithabang
12-24-2012, 6:32 PM
Why wouldn't an aftermarket frame with mso, with engine numbers that matched the Reggie? And the original neck with numbers that matched the Reggie not suffice? What the fuck kind of nazi pigs patrol your area? I'm sick of talking about this, and props to you for being a fucking Boy Scout. I'm sick of talking about this, because as you said I don't give a fuck. So you do your thing and ill do mine.

trifive
12-24-2012, 7:39 PM
That's great, but man you just don't get it. If a cop ever checked your numbers and noticed they didn't match the reigstration, I'd love to see his expression when you pull the oem neck out of your saddlebag. That would be classic. That's kind of like changing your identity and carrying around an old drivers license with your old identity. Props to you for not caring about shit.

I would give up trying to make this guy see logic.He's obviously a member of the Flat Earth Society.

Andy
12-24-2012, 8:12 PM
Why wouldn't an aftermarket frame with mso, with engine numbers that matched the Reggie? And the original neck with numbers that matched the Reggie not suffice?

Why, because 1970 and up Harleys are titled by frame numbers. The original neck is useless as it's not what you're riding around on.

Andy
12-24-2012, 8:14 PM
I would give up trying to make this guy see logic.He's obviously a member of the Flat Earth Society.

Yeah no sweat off my back. It's just amazing the stuff that you hear people doing, then worse off the attempt at justifying doing the wrong thing. To each their own, some have to learn the hard way.

trifive
12-24-2012, 8:54 PM
Unfortunately some guys never learn.

backwithabang
12-24-2012, 9:08 PM
Ya know. I have no idea what your cops in your area are like. I'm the most by the books guy of the people I ride with. Most don't have Moto licenses, and their drivers license is suspended. They ride no inspection stickers and old plates. And no one in the 3 years I rode with in buffalo has had any problems except one guy going 70 in a 45 in a suburb as he was let go, after a phone call and 75 bucks to get his bike out of impound

We must sound like assholes to you people and that's why I'm not "getting it". We know what buffalo city cops give a fuck about and that's answering and dealing with gun, drug, and domestic violence calls. In this city as long as we don't go doing wheelies down major streets no one cares less. I'm apparently just ignorant to the rest of NYS. I'm sick of trying to justify what we can get away with vs what the rest of NY is apparently like. I hear horror stories of downstate areas like Cornwall, Kingston, Newburgh areas but I don't live there.

We do not get harassed for turn signals if we use our hands, we get stopped for riding an unregistered bike we just say we were trying to get the "bugs" out and we just bought it and the cop lets us go home. We also all have names to drop if shit gets sketchy and cards in our wallet. That's how this area works. It's dirty, always has been that's what we know. Inspections are 7 bucks and we give them paperwork. They hand us a sticker. I have never had anyone even look at my bikes where I go. They don't care because they will just claim that we had everything on the bike when we brought it there if they trace the inspection sticker.

We know where we can ride our bikes and stay in that area. If I went for a jaunt I'd use my stock tiger which is perfectly legal anywhere.

As for carrying a neck. That's what all the old guys do and they have told me that works fine. I never was asked for it because no one checks. Our only road stops are sobriety checkpoints. And if it became a problem we most likely can find someone around here with an original Harley stamping set, or something damn close.

Paperwork and titling is all paper tricks here. I have a 68 pan registered to s and s numbers and has been insured and on the road for 8 years. No problems. No questions asked. A 68 triumph registered and insured to aae frame numbers. Once again no questions asked. Maybe because this is predominantly an Evo town and chops are few and far between. They don't know the rules or specifically don't care This city has always supported bikes and even cops have watch out for motorcycle bumper stickers.

I can't explain it other than that. My reality here is a bit different than what yours is. I'm sick of arguing with you guys and maybe my actions and advice should be kept to this area. So I withdraw it all. And those in this area know the certain suburbs and towns to stay out of.

I shouldn't be pissed at other guys on this board unless they fucked me over on a classified purchase. This is petty

So I apologize to Andy and whoever else. It's just that your legal standards vs ours seems a bit absurd to me and that's the inherent problem.

All I learned from this thread is that I have a lot more leeway here than you people must have. And I'm thankful for that. To those of you in the rest of the state good luck with your bikes and paperwork.

thermo1976
12-25-2012, 9:57 AM
I live in Binghamton, Ny.
I don't run signals, some friends don't run signals. We have a local greybeards shop for inspect. They check headlights and tail lights. They don't really dig japs....Meh.
I use hand signals. oddly enough I've been mocked by other drivers, I find that weird. Police don't bother me.
So much so that I don't even bother to avoid them.
I also know of a few instances where riders got pulled over for riding stupid. They had the book thrown at them. Tickets for signals, exhaust, tailight placement, helmet, tire condition.
You get what ya give as far as respect as concerned.