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1stgenxxx
07-02-2012, 11:09 PM
I will be bringing this jewel home tomorrow. I went over to the guys shop and we rolled it out from behind a few old cars. It hasn't been started in 6 or 7 years. I kicked and kicked and kicked some more...It would snort back through the carb but that was it. They fucked with the timing (thanks man).
It allready has the single Mikuni conversion so thats a plus.
I'm going to ditch the forks asap for stock length springer but I'm not sure what front brake set up I will do.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/nortonchop.jpg

Torch
07-03-2012, 7:48 AM
And so, The fun begins.

1stgenxxx
07-03-2012, 5:39 PM
Im pretty pumped about this bike. Its my first non Jap build

61xlh
07-04-2012, 12:41 PM
that is one of the nicer lookin norton rigid frames ive seen. my first bike was a 72 commando, and had the godawfulugliestweldonrigidrearsection ive ever seen. lot of fun to ride tho. got me in good with the locals too. 'takes balls to ride something like that' was a common comment
my favorite was 'ill but ya a beer for that one"

1stgenxxx
07-05-2012, 7:13 AM
Its pretty rough right now.The engine is rubber mounted and it allowes for a lot of movement (one of the mounts is missing). I'm probably going to ditch the rubber mounts. There is almost no room for an air filter or stack so I'm gonna have to get pretty creative. The frame has mounts for a huge old school seat but that no really my style so I'm going to hack them off and add a spring seat.

Ive been riding my friends Sporty a lot here lately and not having a front brake sucks! That front end has to go even if I have to use a stock trees and tubes for a while.

1stgenxxx
07-06-2012, 7:22 AM
I got the bike home last night and I'm pretty pumped. Now I just need to sell some Jap stuff so I can buy parts for the Norton.

Speedfiend
07-06-2012, 10:13 AM
Neat bike. A good Commando chop is very hard to pull off. Nortons just don't lend themselves to chopping like a Triumph. This one has potential. The rubber mount issue is a toughy. In original form, the swing arm was mounted to the rubber mounted engine cradle. Allowing the rear wheel to move with the engine. When you hard mount the wheel, and the engine is still jumping around in the frame it puts even more stress on the chain and worse still- the weakest point in a Commando, the gear box. The AMC gear box is a solid unit, all the way up to 750cc. It's really not up to the task of handling an 850. Many a 850 Commado gear box has thrown the mainshaft, cracking the gear box housing around the output shaft. SO- your left with solid mounting the engine. Yikes! Those cranks were only balanced at 62%. It's gonna vibrate like crazy. Better make sure all your mounts are damn solid. I'd suggest short bars and no side mount tail light.

Revelation
07-08-2012, 4:09 PM
Cant wait to see what you do with
good luck I hope you have it running soon

TRUMPNUT
07-08-2012, 5:07 PM
Like said before if you solid mount the motor you must change the balance factor . They are different from the balance factor of the Atlas since they tilted the cylinder forward . The single Mikuni I think is shit for the motor . Comandos need to breath and lend themselves to twin carbs much better .
Drain the sump if you are trying to start it . if the sit even a week they tend to wet sump .

1stgenxxx
07-08-2012, 9:25 PM
I won't have time to work on the Norton for a few weeks. Ive got to finish up a few Hondas so I'll have some money to work with.
I've been looking at a few DNA springer front ends...but I've heard the quality isn't very good.
Has anyone one here used one? How did you like it?

Torch
07-08-2012, 10:46 PM
I won't have time to work on the Norton for a few weeks. Ive got to finish up a few Hondas so I'll have some money to work with.
I've been looking at a few DNA springer front ends...but I've heard the quality isn't very good.
Has anyone one here used one? How did you like it?

DNA's are ok, yes, they're made in China,
I've seen a lot of them being used and I've never met anyone that had one break.

1stgenxxx
07-24-2012, 7:19 PM
I haven't had much time to work on the bike but I did score this sweet tank from a friend of mine.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1343016639432.jpg

I also got a few sets of bars to play around with. I'm going to pick up a stock Sportster front end on Friday...The girder/no front brake must go.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1343016500070.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1343016642990.jpg

RetroRob
07-24-2012, 7:47 PM
Agree

thatstupidkydd
07-24-2012, 8:00 PM
thats girder is so sick

1stgenxxx
07-24-2012, 9:30 PM
The girder and front wheel are for sale...You should buy them!

1stgenxxx
07-24-2012, 9:33 PM
Ive still got lots of unfucking to do on this thing. It was set up for left hand clutch, right hand brake/throttle and jocky shift. I'm going to add a brake pedal on the right side, add a front disc brake..and so on.

TheLakewoodKid2
07-25-2012, 7:48 AM
is the seat for sale?

pancake
07-25-2012, 8:04 AM
Nothing better than a WELL BUILT girder so long as the trail is where it should be. They handle really well. Most folks just don't like the look and/or they have ridden one that was not set up properly and get rid of 'em, I'd buy them all if I could. But if your just not into it, I'd blow off the DNA and spend the $$ on a Spartan Frameworks springer. Your life depends on the front end.

No matter what you do, that bike is killer!

Pancake

1stgenxxx
07-25-2012, 5:25 PM
is the seat for sale?


Sale pending on the girder. Yes the seat is for sale. 50$

1stgenxxx
07-26-2012, 8:34 PM
Fuck Yes!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1343354116046.jpg
I"m probs gonna haul this bitch to town and have some new pipes built for it. I'm thinking of comming up high on the left hand side. The right hand side is too busy with the Jockey shifter and kicker

Bobber68
08-04-2012, 11:35 AM
That's a nice Bike, I can't wait to see it done..

1stgenxxx
08-05-2012, 11:43 AM
Thanks bro. I've been working on a few other projects so this one hasn't made any progress. I did score some new levers/master cylinder, and brass seat springs. I still haven't decided if I want to use a spring seat or a small padded seat that flows up the rear fender.

RetroRob
08-05-2012, 2:14 PM
you'll be happy you have springs with a hardtail

1stgenxxx
08-05-2012, 6:16 PM
Yea I think I'm going to order a seat tonight. I've also got to order wiring goodies and seat mounting trinkets. For the front, I'm going with a 21 Avon speed master but I'm not sure about the rear. The bike has a 16" rear wheel (Honda hub/Harley rim). Its going to sit pretty low so I'm considering an 18" rear.

1stgenxxx
08-05-2012, 6:29 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-08-05_15-55-48_832.jpg
goodies

dazegoneby
08-05-2012, 6:33 PM
,consider the 18 incher / 40 tooth in rear =freeway flyer,,,,,,,..nice ride man..welcome to the darkside(brit bikes):D

1stgenxxx
08-05-2012, 6:45 PM
,consider the 18 incher / 40 tooth in rear =freeway flyer,,,,,,,..nice ride man..welcome to the darkside(brit bikes):D

Thanks man, Ive got a few 18" rear wheels laying around. The dark side feels nice. I was looking for a cheap sportster when I found this bike. I may not be able to smoke a 1200 sporty but atleast my shit will be different.
If I can sell a few Jap bikes then I'm considering electronic ignition and some go fast goodies.

RetroRob
08-05-2012, 7:53 PM
Cool, we all like the Pazon ignition, Harleydual coils .

dazegoneby
08-05-2012, 8:43 PM
the old norton will go down the road pretty good ,they can run the ton....

1stgenxxx
08-05-2012, 11:37 PM
Cool, we all like the Pazon ignition, Harleydual coils .

I already using a harley coil set up. Ill check out the Pazon ignition.

HH76
08-13-2012, 6:38 AM
Thanks man, Ive got a few 18" rear wheels laying around. The dark side feels nice. I was looking for a cheap sportster when I found this bike. I may not be able to smoke a 1200 sporty but atleast my shit will be different.
If I can sell a few Jap bikes then I'm considering electronic ignition and some go fast goodies.

I've got the Old Britts ignition. Pretty simple, and seems to work perfectly. I blew a fuse on my charging circuit, and the bike made it home with the battery measuring 9.5v.

1stgenxxx
09-07-2012, 9:08 PM
small update
got some parts in the mail today. Ive gotta pick up a tube tomorrow and I'm still waiting on my front axle to get here
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-09-07_21-27-12_511.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-09-07_22-07-09_341.jpg
new shorty risers

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-09-07_22-05-46_460.jpg
I'm still waiting on my intake elbow...but that pretty much where my carb is going to be.

dirtbag
09-08-2012, 2:16 AM
Cool shit,I just got a 65 norton half a bike,whatching this for ideas,getting pretty pumped on nortons

heretic530
09-08-2012, 10:31 AM
remember that when you add length to the intake (like when you add the elbow), you are increasing intake velocity. You may be a little fat on your mixture.
Not that I am saying a little rich is a bad thing, just something to remember and check before going on a road trip, with your new build

1stgenxxx
09-09-2012, 7:16 AM
Good luck with the 65! My bike came with a mostly complete 750 Atlas 750 Motor/trans. I might try to do something with it in a few years.
Once I get the Norton finished up, I'm taking it to a local shop that specializes in old British bikes...They will get her tuned up.
My progress is slow...but I have a new girlfriend so that's to be expected.

Garagebuilt58FLH
09-09-2012, 1:15 PM
Keep posting pics and updates I like watching a bike come to life

1stgenxxx
09-09-2012, 8:03 PM
I'm not sure what I'm going to do about my foot peg mounts and brake pedal. The brake will be on the right side (cable). I'm leaving the jockey shift so I won't have to worry about a foot shifter. Ive got most of an old set of HD forward controls that I'm thinking about using but I'm not sure yet.

1stgenxxx
09-10-2012, 11:54 AM
I went by Internationnal Motorbike in Hickory NC today and they guys were super nice. I went there to buy a tube and ended up buying a Boyer electronic ignition.
I've got some fab work to finish up and then it will go to them for wiring and timing and ignition install.

Bobber68
09-11-2012, 12:46 PM
I went by Internationnal Motorbike in Hickory NC today and they guys were super nice. I went there to buy a tube and ended up buying a Boyer electronic ignition.
I've got some fab work to finish up and then it will go to them for wiring and timing and ignition install.

I'm torn between E.I. or points . Keep us informed on the boyer and how it works for you ..

1stgenxxx
09-11-2012, 7:15 PM
I'm torn between E.I. or points . Keep us informed on the boyer and how it works for you ..

I will keep you posted. I'm fuckin beat and I'm going to pay the shop to set my timing, install the ignition and wire the bike. I've got way too much shit going on right now.

1stgenxxx
09-12-2012, 12:07 AM
slight up date
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1347386416286.jpg
new bling
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1347427496552.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1347427694941.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/1347427568635.jpg
I'm sure what I'm going to do for my brake pedal/foot peg mounts....Any suggestions for mid controls?

1stgenxxx
09-12-2012, 10:05 PM
I ordered some foot pegs and a shift knob from jumpstreet customs. I bullshitted on the phone with him for a while. He seemed to be a pretty cool cat. You guys should hit him up if you need cool shit for your scoot! He is a vendor on here.

1stgenxxx
09-15-2012, 10:47 AM
I went through my carb today....looks like Ill be stepping up to a 36 or 38mm carb. A single 34 just isn't going to be enough.

rustiepyles
09-15-2012, 6:43 PM
Nice bike, love nortons. Used to work with a guy who had chopped norton. We called it the ghost norton, cause it never ran and we never saw him ride it.

Bobber68
09-17-2012, 11:06 AM
Ghost Norton - That's funny.. There's a guy here the same way . He has a 56 Ghost Panhead..I've never seen it .. But for the past 10 years he swears he has one ... It's a 56 Ghost Pan...
I like this Norton - I've never seen a Rigid frame Norton before , can't wait to see and hear it run..Keep up the good work..

1stgenxxx
09-17-2012, 11:33 AM
I will be workin on the ike this week. I hope to get my new rear tire on, fender mounted, and chain shortened. I will also be ordering some goodies this week.

1stgenxxx
09-17-2012, 11:35 AM
I've been helping a super cool dude who has built some super rowdy Norton engines....He is going to tune the engine for me.

1stgenxxx
09-17-2012, 10:49 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-09-17_21-58-00_361.jpg
I got my sweet new foot pegs and a few shift knobs from Jump Street Customs.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-09-18_00-34-28_819.jpg
I mocked up where my foot pegs and brake pedal are going to be. It feels pretty comfortable. I'm going to run the rear brake cable through the frame rail. It will be connected to the brake pedal via a 3/8 bolt with a hole in it...Kinda like how you tightened old bicycle brake cables. I still have to clean up the brake pedal mount and get a new cable.

I'm going to pick up some 3/8 solid stock to build a new shifter.

I'm still scratching my head on the how to mount a brake light switch....any suggestions?

1stgenxxx
09-18-2012, 8:12 PM
I picked up some 3/8 rod to make a new jockey shifter....only to realize that both my tap and die sets are metric....Fuck! I will pick up a standard set tomorrow.

dazegoneby
09-18-2012, 8:55 PM
was told by a guy who builds bikes,, when makeing a shifter for these brit bikes, dont make them too heavy or put at odd angles,,because when hitting bumps, can pop you outta gear ,,well you get the idea ,,,good luck on the snorton,norton

1stgenxxx
09-18-2012, 10:05 PM
was told by a guy who builds bikes,, when makeing a shifter for these brit bikes, dont make them too heavy or put at odd angles,,because when hitting bumps, can pop you outta gear ,,well you get the idea ,,,good luck on the snorton,norton

Thanks for the heads up. The new shifter will be short and sweet with an aluminum shift knob.
I'm going to buy a new sawzaw tomorrow and hopefully I will make some progress on the exhaust.

I worked on my CM200 some tonight...kinda wanted to burn the mother fucker to the ground. I lost spark...thought it was the CDI. I bought a new one 110$ only to find that it wasnt the problem.

1stgenxxx
09-24-2012, 10:18 PM
I got started on the new pipes tonight. Its a real PITA but they are going to look pretty sick. I'm using 1/2 pipe. The sbc headers that I cut up gave me a lot of good bends to work with.

1stgenxxx
09-30-2012, 11:17 AM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-09-29_12-08-17_984_zps8777fbdb.jpg

I worked with the guys at American muffler Friday and this is what we came up with. I still have to make add an exhaust mount near the end of the pipes, wrap them, add baffles, and but some aluminum tip inserts. This fucker is going to be nasty.

dirtbag
09-30-2012, 11:32 AM
Looks pretty slick

Bobber68
10-01-2012, 9:27 AM
I Love the bike , not sure how much you'll like those pipes being where they are after you start riding it..Can't wait to see it finished..

HH76
10-01-2012, 1:53 PM
Not sure how close the pipes are to the frame, but when that motor starts moving on the isolastics, it may be too close.

1stgenxxx
10-01-2012, 9:57 PM
Not sure how close the pipes are to the frame, but when that motor starts moving on the isolastics, it may be too close.

There is about an inch between the pipes and frame. I'm going to make a rubber exhaust mount right near the end of the pipes.

HH76
10-02-2012, 7:25 AM
There is about an inch between the pipes and frame. I'm going to make a rubber exhaust mount right near the end of the pipes.

That should be enough. I've heard of people having issues up to around 1/2", and I imagine if the isolastics are not set up correctly, it could be worse.

1stgenxxx
10-02-2012, 10:44 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/2012-10-03_00-31-18_558_zpsd573a2f9.jpg

This is what I came up with for a brake pedal. I cut the pedal pivot shaft off a 76 Kawi 175. I cut the top off and welded another piece on. I drilled an 1/8" hole in a 3/8" bolt that slides down through the top section of the pedal. The cable works pretty much like an old bicycle brake cable. This stuff is just mocked up right now..I still have to make sure it all level and burn it in.

1stgenxxx
10-10-2012, 8:12 PM
I had to ditch the rear brake cable, used a brake rod insted. A friend came over and helped me center the rear wheel up and make a new clutch cable.

It's getting close!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/IMG_20121010_084945_zpsce7457cc.jpg

Bobber68
10-12-2012, 6:09 AM
nice..

1stgenxxx
10-16-2012, 5:31 AM
nice..

Thanks man. This thing has been a shit ton of work but well worth it. I took it to a bike show this past Friday night and I got some really good reviews. It still needs wiring, ignition, 36mm mikuni, and front brakes.

livingdeadmc
10-16-2012, 8:03 AM
Looks killer man!!!

JamesM
10-16-2012, 9:15 AM
I dig it man, it's starting to look really clean. Love to see a custom Norton.

1stgenxxx
10-17-2012, 6:41 AM
Thanks guys. This project wasn't even supposed to get started till the winter but there was a big push for me to get it ready for a bike show this past weekend. I'm broke as a joke....but Ive got a cool motorcycle. Thats all that matters..Right?

LinkBelt
10-18-2012, 5:46 PM
I just tuned into this three and want to say this is an awesome build. Don't see to many Norten chops. Great work I am watching.

Sent from my SCH-R720 using Tapatalk 2

1stgenxxx
10-18-2012, 6:19 PM
Thanks for the kind words. The build is at a standstill for a few weeks due to being broke and working on some other projects. I"m also working on a 79CB650, 81CB750, and building a 76 CB500 street trecker/brat bike for a friend of mine. I'm busy as shit.

My tow rig also took a shit on me. The inspection cover (behind the ECU) on my 24V Cummins is pouring oil. I'll have to pull the injector pump, fuel lines, and other misc stuff off to replace the 20$ gasket. A shop quoted me 500$ to fix it.....I guess I'll do it myself.

1stgenxxx
11-11-2012, 8:08 AM
I've been busy as shit here lately so there hasn't been time to work on the Norton.
I still need to make front wheel spacers, finish front brakes, set engine timing/install Boyer, and wire the bike.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/choppynort1.jpg

BRASSBOOTS
11-16-2012, 1:47 AM
thats tits, man. I'm building a 850 as well, I might have to get some info from ya soon

Speedfiend
11-16-2012, 8:42 AM
Lookin' good.

Are you going to make a top engine mount?

1stgenxxx
11-22-2012, 8:04 PM
Lookin' good.

Are you going to make a top engine mount?

I'm going to make an upper mount when I get it back from the shop. I might have some cool stuff lazer cut.

RetroRob
11-22-2012, 10:36 PM
That thing looks kick ass

1stgenxxx
12-11-2012, 8:16 AM
The Norton is coming back home in a few weeks. My mechanic broke the news to me that my pipes would more than likely blow the motor up. One pipe has almost a 90* bend..oops. My motor mounts are also shaking like crazy (sketchky work by the PO). I guess I'm going to use poly bushings and have My friends father lazer cut me some fancy brackets. I still don't know what I'm going to do with the exhaust. The foot pegs might have to be raised up so the pipes can go under them.

Speedfiend
12-11-2012, 8:47 AM
There are factory, same side, high pipes for Nortons. Maybe an option for ya. I'm not at my home computer now- can't post pics, but if you google " '71 Commando high pipe", you'll see what I'm talking about.

I built a Commando chop about ten years back. The isolastics where worn out. The owner wanted to run it like that anyway. It lasted for about 500 miles, then with the engine jumping around in the frame and the rear wheel fixed in place, it tore the shit outta the primary (and stretched out two chains). Destroyed theclutch basket/bearings and the stator.. We rebuilt the primary and solid mounted the engine. It vibrated like crazy, but primary stayed together. Was ok like that, 'cept for other random bolts falling off constantly.

1stgenxxx
12-11-2012, 7:46 PM
There are factory, same side, high pipes for Nortons. Maybe an option for ya. I'm not at my home computer now- can't post pics, but if you google " '71 Commando high pipe", you'll see what I'm talking about.

I built a Commando chop about ten years back. The isolastics where worn out. The owner wanted to run it like that anyway. It lasted for about 500 miles, then with the engine jumping around in the frame and the rear wheel fixed in place, it tore the shit outta the primary (and stretched out two chains). Destroyed theclutch basket/bearings and the stator.. We rebuilt the primary and solid mounted the engine. It vibrated like crazy, but primary stayed together. Was ok like that, 'cept for other random bolts falling off constantly.

Wow. looks like I will hard mounting my engine cradle. Thanks for the input! I will make a new left side pipe when I get the bike back home.
It will also be getting a springer front end..DNA:(

1stgenxxx
03-05-2013, 1:00 AM
I finally got my front wheel back from the machine shop! I can move it around again. I added a pretty sweet girder and some rabbits. I also ditched the Mikuni for a set of Amal 930s.
It's hard to finish a project when you have 20 going on at the same time.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/IMG_20130305_013036_zpsfe1cd701.jpg

JimmyStacy
03-05-2013, 7:56 PM
Looks good with the rabbit ears girder and sporty tank

riceburner
03-07-2013, 1:04 PM
neat bike, good looking. :clap for you:

I had a brake lever on one of my bikes that went under the foot peg like yours, I got in a hurried stopping situation one time on a bumpy road, the road came up and met the brake lever pushing it the other direction (read no brakes). Luckily I diverted disaster, but as soon as I got where I could I built a new brake lever that went over the top of the foot peg.

Soulkitchen
03-07-2013, 10:16 PM
Brake levers are always under the peg.

riceburner
03-07-2013, 11:11 PM
not always

1stgenxxx
03-10-2013, 2:35 PM
The brake lever shouldn't be an issue. Ive been sitting on the bike...making engine noises....The new stance is super comfortable. I should have it on the road in a month or so....but thats also what I said last year.

1stgenxxx
03-12-2013, 7:32 AM
More parts are on the way. I can't wait to hear this bike roar!

1stgenxxx
11-03-2013, 6:10 PM
small update..
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/20131006_1234591_zpseb57691d.jpg

luke13
11-23-2013, 5:06 PM
my old man had a hardtailed blown 850 with a twin choke dellorto back in the early 80s, that bike used to give the big jap 4s a hard time. super reliable as well as it was his only transport at the time. like what speed fiend said the gearboxes are shit in the 850s as they were only designed for a 500 origonaly, (maybe look into a late evo 5speed kicker to mate up behind it, just a thought ) cool bike im jealous as, enjoy.

Torch
11-24-2013, 10:57 AM
my old man had a hardtailed blown 850 with a twin choke dellorto back in the early 80s, that bike used to give the big jap 4s a hard time. super reliable as well as it was his only transport at the time. like what speed fiend said the gearboxes are shit in the 850s as they were only designed for a 500 origonaly, (maybe look into a late evo 5speed kicker to mate up behind it, just a thought ) cool bike im jealous as, enjoy.

In March 1970 Cycle magazine did an extensive test of the seven "super bikes" (of the day) ...the Honda 750/4, Norton 750, Triumph 750 and BSA 750 as well as Kawasaki triple and Suzuki and the Sportster.

In a 1/4 mile ET test using the same professional rider on every bike...

The Norton was the fastest,
Triumph came in 2nd,
BSA was 3rd,
http://motohistory.net/featuredstory/images/neilson/Cycle3-70.jpg

and the Honda 750/4 was 4th

but a 750 "S" Norton is faster than an 850 Norton is.

TRUMPNUT
12-02-2013, 6:00 PM
but a 750 "S" Norton is faster than an 850 Norton is.Only with the correct head . But the bottom end doesn't last as long the 850 had a nuch better bottom end

IronHead73
01-17-2014, 9:33 AM
I finally got my front wheel back from the machine shop! I can move it around again. I added a pretty sweet girder and some rabbits. I also ditched the Mikuni for a set of Amal 930s.
It's hard to finish a project when you have 20 going on at the same time.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/1stgenxxx/IMG_20130305_013036_zpsfe1cd701.jpg

I know this is helping bring this thread back from the dead, but man, that looks sick.