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djroofus
04-23-2012, 8:11 PM
This guy i know had a 79 shovel with a bunch of work. Stroker motor, too much chrome, wide glide front end and wheel, and all the little stuff. he has receipts for the motor work and chrome. the only thing is there is no title. I believe he said its registered but what would i have to do to get it registered in CT. the vin is there but hard to read. what do you guys think its worth? would u buy it/ride it why/why not.


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planningoncrashing
04-23-2012, 8:46 PM
Depends entirely on how hard CT makes it to get a title. It's worthless if you have to jump through hoops for months and post a bond. Call the state and see what you'd be in for.

24Cycles
04-23-2012, 9:21 PM
Without knowing the vins its hard to say. If it was a flh matching numbers frame then its worth something. If its a FXE matching numbers its worth a little less. If its a hodge podge of shovelhead frame and motor not matching but clean its worth a lot less. If its a special construction its "worthless" due to the amount of hell it will take you to get it compliant and registered.

Without a vin verification and release of title from registered owner its not worth it. If he is the titled owner and it is on the books then it should be as simple as him going to your dmv, doing a lost title, putting a transfer to your name.

You also need make sure title is not salvaged. Tons of guys have purchased storm or accident damaged bikes. Building them and then selling them off to be registered by a new owner. To the new owner surprise they find out its a salvaged title and your stuck with it due to the bill of sale that says as is.

Kickstarts
04-24-2012, 3:52 AM
They're a dime a dozen. 5K max and only because it's springtime. The title problem is a bad start and more money.

Hooligan80
04-24-2012, 5:01 AM
I want to know where you're at that they are considered a dime a dozen

dazegoneby
04-24-2012, 5:31 AM
the main thing is ,,,how bad do you want this shovel????

Kickstarts
04-24-2012, 5:47 AM
I want to know where you're at that they are considered a dime a dozen

Shovels are everywhere. A beautiful 80 full dresser with all the garbage and 15K in original paint just went for a smidge over 5K on eBay and with a clear title. If you can't find a shovel for 5K or under, you aren't looking.

There are 2 on eBay right now: Buy it Now: $5200, the auctions are for less...and this is springtime. 6 months ago, you could have had these bikes for a song. It's the absolute worst time of year to shop for a bike and you can have a shovel for 5K. Next week there will be even more for sale, take your pick.

HotSnotRocket
04-24-2012, 5:57 AM
I'd also say 5k max but No Dime a Dozen stuff. :D

I found a nice "bagger" on CL a couple of weeks ago for 4k.

How big is the Stroker and how many miles on it? If this is going to be your First H-D, I'd think hard. Strokers can be Costly and have a much shorter life that a stock motor.

Are you looking at anything else or is this it?

With a title problem, I wouldn't touch it.

ChopEmUp
04-24-2012, 6:03 AM
Where is the bike currently registered? If its out-of-state, its a bunch easier to register with a title in CT. You just have to take it for a VIN verification and then its good to register. Because of this, I never buy out-of-state bikes without title. If its currently registered in CT, all you need is a bill of sale, and then transfer the registration.

kps
04-24-2012, 6:48 AM
I know a guy with one for sale around here that puts it to shame, a 1981? FLH clear title, total custom work, awesome custom airbrushing, has a bigger stroker kit, & includes his earlier stroker kit, which was a 93" it is complete except for cases, which was in his, the engine has aprox 10,XXX & was built in last 2 years. he has owned the bike close to 20 years.

last I heard he is asking $8,000, but with him having a stroke a month ago, he may go lower, if he drops into the $5 - 6,XXX range, I guess I will put my project on hold, & get a loan & buy it.

djroofus
04-24-2012, 7:25 AM
Its registered in CT..so the same state.

I look at it everyday at work. lol its my bosses. I love the way it looks and feels.

ive beenlookin for bikes. i ride my dads 73 superglde. ive had gsxr 75o'sand whatnot im not new to riding. but a stroked vintage would be a cool point on the checklist. But im also not desperate to buy the bike. just figured you guys were the best to ask and get and idea whats up.

The big thing that attracts me to the bike is hed let me pay it off weekly but i could take the bike home wrench and ride on it. Hes askin 5k but without a title and the vins unclear enough the read(rusty, and the bottom end is polished so the engine numbers are hard to see..)

im unsure of the stroke but if i could see the receipts again id be able to tell you.

djroofus
04-24-2012, 7:26 AM
can u guys post some pics of your vin tags so i can see what im missing or if this one is comparable to urs. im used to seeins vins with like 20 characters

24Cycles
04-24-2012, 8:09 AM
Vin will be 8 or 9 letters and numbers between stars. In 79' there were a hand full that were 9 letters and numbers between stars on frame and 9 numbers on the motor no stars. It was something HD was trying out until the DMV stopped them due to paperwork issues.

Your numbers should reads 2A*****H5 or something of that nature. With stars at each end.

Look at your dads vins it should look similiar

ChopEmUp
04-24-2012, 9:36 AM
Its registered in CT..so the same state.

I look at it everyday at work. lol its my bosses. I love the way it looks and feels.

ive beenlookin for bikes. i ride my dads 73 superglde. ive had gsxr 75o'sand whatnot im not new to riding. but a stroked vintage would be a cool point on the checklist. But im also not desperate to buy the bike. just figured you guys were the best to ask and get and idea whats up.

The big thing that attracts me to the bike is hed let me pay it off weekly but i could take the bike home wrench and ride on it. Hes askin 5k but without a title and the vins unclear enough the read(rusty, and the bottom end is polished so the engine numbers are hard to see..)

im unsure of the stroke but if i could see the receipts again id be able to tell you.

Dont worry about the title since its currently reg'd in CT and over 25 years old. Just get a bill of sale and his current registration, and transfer it to your name. Just take the vin off the registration, use it to get your insurance card, and show up at DMV with the insurance, old reg, and bill of sale, and you should be good to go. No one should even have to look at the bike.

UncleMonkey
04-24-2012, 10:31 AM
They're a dime a dozen. 5K max and only because it's springtime. The title problem is a bad start and more money.

Depends on where you are. Shovels are scarce around here. Even Evo's are getting hard to come by. A couples years back everyone was buying new bikes and Harley was giving ridiculous trade in values. The problem was none of these trade ins resurfaced, nowhere, gone, disappeared, dropped off the face of the earth. A friend visited a dealer in Manitoba and he told him Harley did an audit and ordered them to crush three transport containers worth of Flathead, 45, Knuckle, Pan, Shovel parts - complete in the crate from the factory Pan motors etc. Four months later the bean counters came back and ordered the destruction of another two containers of Evo parts. Dealer said the factory didn't want ANY old parts or bikes because everyone was chopping them and didn't want lawsuits coming in because someone died. Cut off the supply of old bikes/parts people will have to buy new, bankrupt aftermarket dealers and builders, (Jesse James, Custom Chrome), and convince everyone to only use genuine Harley accessories because everything else is just a blow up doll.

Around here one in a hundred bikes will be an Evo, Shovels are one in a thousand, and forget about anything older.

Kickstarts
04-24-2012, 10:47 AM
Depends on where you are. Shovels are scarce around here. Even Evo's are getting hard to come by. A couples years back everyone was buying new bikes and Harley was giving ridiculous trade in values. The problem was none of these trade ins resurfaced, nowhere, gone, disappeared, dropped off the face of the earth. A friend visited a dealer in Manitoba and he told him Harley did an audit and ordered them to crush three transport containers worth of Flathead, 45, Knuckle, Pan, Shovel parts - complete in the crate from the factory Pan motors etc. Four months later the bean counters came back and ordered the destruction of another two containers of Evo parts. Dealer said the factory didn't want ANY old parts or bikes because everyone was chopping them and didn't want lawsuits coming in because someone died. Cut off the supply of old bikes/parts people will have to buy new, bankrupt aftermarket dealers and builders, (Jesse James, Custom Chrome), and convince everyone to only use genuine Harley accessories because everything else is just a blow up doll.

Around here one in a hundred bikes will be an Evo, Shovels are one in a thousand, and forget about anything older.

I'm sorry man, but I have to say that dealer story sounds like a gigantic bullshit story to me. There's no way, in my opinion, anything even remotely close to that ever happened. Harley dealers sell trade in garbage, as is, every day of the week. There's no one on the face of this planet that would ever crush a knuckle or junk an in the crate Pan motor. Sorry, I just don't believe it for one second.

24Cycles
04-24-2012, 11:07 AM
In all industries depending on situations bikes cars machinery furniture ect has been crushed. If its new and damaged in storm on a lot or a shop or a major recall it will and has been crushed.
Is his story valid probably in some fashion it is true but like everything as a story passes people it grows.

There are pictures of brand new pans and other bikes crushed by dealers that are brand new to promote a different brand of bike.
Never make a claim it never happens when there is proof it has

This sold at auction recently

http://iowaharleygirl.blogspot.com/2010/09/you-really-hate-harley-that-much.html

Kickstarts
04-24-2012, 11:16 AM
In all industries depending on situations bikes cars machinery furniture ect has been crushed. If its new and damaged in storm on a lot or a shop or a major recall it will and has been crushed.
Is his story valid probably in some fashion it is true but like everything as a story passes people it grows.

There are pictures of brand new pans and other bikes crushed by dealers that are brand new to promote a different brand of bike.
Never make a claim it never happens when there is proof it has

This sold at auction recently

http://iowaharleygirl.blogspot.com/2010/09/you-really-hate-harley-that-much.html

I don't believe Harley dealers round up all their Harley trade ins and crush them by the trailer load. I just don't.

24Cycles
04-24-2012, 11:27 AM
Things get told out of context exaggerated ect

There isnt a manufacture on the planet that hasnt crushed distroyed fucked up a product. whether is be a complete vehicle or a tack. Some things get distroyed to prove a point some get distroyed because of a major flaw or as a loss.
Most used bikes get sent to auction and end up across borders or overseas.

djroofus
04-24-2012, 12:31 PM
Its got stars on motor and frame.

Motor
*7g56289h9*
frame
7g56289h9*

they look to be matching.

24Cycles
04-24-2012, 2:53 PM
The bike in question is a FXS 80in. Its worth between 5000 on cheap going up from there. In its condition and if you can verify the name on title is the guy your buying from 5500 would be a good deal.
Stockers fetch 6500 to high 8000.

If it runs good and its a easy transfer I would say 6000 under is a buy. Most guys think the world revolves on a deal. In the regular world most guys dont have a problem paying 6g up for a bike with this type of look to her.
Its worth more if you were going to do some of the mods that it already has. Worth less if your changing it up.
If it has a HD title and was in my sale list I would advertise it for 6400.00

djroofus
04-24-2012, 4:27 PM
the bike in question is a fxs 80in. Its worth between 5000 on cheap going up from there. In its condition and if you can verify the name on title is the guy your buying from 5500 would be a good deal.
Stockers fetch 6500 to high 8000.

If it runs good and its a easy transfer i would say 6000 under is a buy. Most guys think the world revolves on a deal. In the regular world most guys dont have a problem paying 6g up for a bike with this type of look to her.
Its worth more if you were going to do some of the mods that it already has. Worth less if your changing it up.
If it has a hd title and was in my sale list i would advertise it for 6400.00

sweet because he told me 5000 and he can take some money out of my pay each week or something along those lines. I wouldnt change up much..gskets, paint, and all the other necessary items that need to be brought up to date..so if the title transfer will go easy i may do just because hes willing to workout a payment plan.


Thanks bambam, thats the answer i was looking for lol.


Thanks alot guys.