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Detale
04-15-2012, 7:39 AM
Hey guys I need some help because I've never done any painting and have read what I can find about it so far but I figure I'd ask here because you motherfuckers know pretty much everything.

Ok so when my bike was delivered to me the gas cap that was on didn't seem to fit right on my alien tank and from the bumpy ride gas had leaked out and spilled on the tank a bit. I wiped it off but it ate through the clear coat a bit. What I am asking is can I repair this by sanding the section down and re-clearing it or do I have to do the whole tank over? Any advice here would be great thanks in advance.

Kickfiend
04-15-2012, 8:10 AM
I'm no pro but i have painted my share of things. I would no question sand the whole surface of the tank personally, I like to use 1000 grit. If you just sand that area then try and just put clear on it I cant see that working very well at all you'll probably get runs where you didn't sand. The base coat really needs to be roughed up before the clear will stick. Then when its fully dried I wet sand it all with 2000 to get any orange peel out then use a buffer to get it back to shine. Time and patience my friend lol

Flatironmike
04-15-2012, 8:31 AM
can't help with the paint fix, BUT, when you're done, be sure to add a second rubber gasket to the underside of the gas cap. keep the gas in the tank.

good luck with the paint fix

junkyardjon
04-15-2012, 8:51 AM
a pic might be easier to see.

Detale
04-15-2012, 9:36 AM
Thanks for the replies. I got a new cap right after I noticed it, I should have mentioned that. Also I'll get a pic of the damage uploaded in a few.

JohnnyBones
04-15-2012, 10:14 PM
I'm with the poster above. Scuff the entire tank with 1000-1500 grit, be careful not to leave finger marks. ( use a foam sanding pad). Then remove all the dust with a tack cloth, and when it's clean you can shoot clear. Be patient. If you rush through, you'll pay later. Take your time. If you want to use rattle can clear, don't run the off the shelf stuff. Hit me up and I'll link you to some clear in a can that has hardner (which will help with the gas burn bullshit). Good luck.

Detale
04-15-2012, 11:35 PM
Thanks man and I will shoot you a PM for the info. Here are some pics I took earlier today.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8696/img2180lb.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4245/img2179zx.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9246/img2181tj.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6358/img2182f.jpg

JohnnyWolf
04-15-2012, 11:39 PM
If gas did that much damage, it must be a rattle can paint job...???

Detale
04-15-2012, 11:44 PM
I guess so, you would know more than me about it. Like I said when it was delivered to me the gas was leaking like this for who knows how long before it got to brooklyn. I wiped it as soon as I saw it and it was sticky at that time.

SyndicateChoppers
04-16-2012, 3:34 AM
yeah sounds like you have a rattle can job on there

I would honestly strip that whole thing and give it a good paint job
you can use a simple stage paint if you want to do one color and have a spray gun

if not check out some of the guys that do paint work on here
I just had jakescustoms.com do a tank for my shovel and he did a great job,
turn around time was super fast and the price was great

he is in the chop market section here
or if you need his number shoot me a pm I'll get it to you

junkyardjon
04-16-2012, 5:41 AM
and thats why i asked for a pic.
repair, shake can and respray.

JohnnyWolf
04-16-2012, 9:43 AM
and thats why i asked for a pic.
repair, shake can and respray.


I agree, and assuming you don't have a spay gun, strip it, repaint it, but use a 2-part clear to finish it. This way it will be more gas resistant. There is a thread about it somewhere on here. Several people who have never done there own paint jobs have used it as a guide, with good results.

What is a two part clear you ask? The can has a paint hardener built in. I believe it's released by pushing a button on the bottom of the can.

or.... if you just want a simple single color like the original red you have, take it to a local body shop. It shouldn't be more that a couple hundred (assuming there isn't much body work to be done) to have it sprayed with a gas impervious automotive finish. If you go this route, to save yourself some money go buy some aircraft paint stripper and remove all the paint first.

Good-Luck
:cheersmate:

Detale
04-16-2012, 10:00 AM
Maybe at the end of the season I'll get the tank repainted but I just want to ride already. For one reason or another this baby has been on hold for around 2 months. I might just sand it and spray clear and see how it goes for now. If I have to send the tank away I'm going to shoot myself. I'll look into a local body shop and see what they say price wise. Thanks so much for all the info guys, you rock.

JohnnyWolf
04-16-2012, 10:15 AM
Maybe at the end of the season I'll get the tank repainted but I just want to ride already. For one reason or another this baby has been on hold for around 2 months. I might just sand it and spray clear and see how it goes for now. If I have to send the tank away I'm going to shoot myself. I'll look into a local body shop and see what they say price wise. Thanks so much for all the info guys, you rock.

The clear will not stick to it now that it's been contaminated with gas. In one weekend (with warm weather) you could strip, sand, and repaint with rattle-can.

Detale
04-16-2012, 10:20 AM
The clear will not stick to it now that it's been contaminated with gas. In one weekend (with warm weather) you could strip, sand, and repaint with rattle-can.

God damn I hate reading someones advice when I know it's right!! Any advice on paint choice?

Maybe in a few weeks I'll take a crack at it. The next two weekends I have family shit to do but maybe I can get some "me time" from the old lady. Am I causing harm leaving it like that? It's no longer sticky or anything just rough to the touch and ugly to look at.

JohnnyWolf
04-16-2012, 10:27 AM
God damn I hate reading someones advice when I know it's right!! Any advice on paint choice?

Maybe in a few weeks I'll take a crack at it. The next two weekends I have family shit to do but maybe I can get some "me time" from the old lady. Am I causing harm leaving it like that? It's no longer sticky or anything just rough to the touch and ugly to look at.

Many here can, but I can't recommend a brand of paint. Yes you can run it "as is"....the damage is done. It's not going to harm the tank.

blackout
04-16-2012, 10:30 AM
go pick you up a can of dublacolor red mettle flake. its a good sturdy paint. also get a non lacker clear and give it a few coats that should stand up to the gas better than a lacker based paint.also if some gas splashes on the paint clean it right off.

Detale
04-16-2012, 10:32 AM
Thanks again guys.

JohnnyBones
04-16-2012, 11:52 AM
The clear is called "spraymax 2k" and its a urethane clear. My bike is duplicolor rattle can, and I used the spraymax right over the top. Hasn't yellowed and its totally gas resistant. I busted out a how to awhile back here showing the rattlecan paint process I used. Good luck.

Rattlecan thread is here:
http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11955&highlight=Duplicolor

JohnnyWolf
04-16-2012, 11:53 AM
The clear is called "spraymax 2k" and its a urethane clear. My bike is duplicolor rattle can, and I used the spraymax right over the top. Hasn't yellowed and its totally gas resistant. I busted out a how to awhile back here showing the rattlecan paint process I used. Good luck.

Rattlecan thread is here:
http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11955&highlight=Duplicolor

Tnx, that's one of the threads I was referring to. :cheersmate:

Detale
04-16-2012, 1:11 PM
That thread is just what I needed! When I get home I'll read through the write up. Can't thank you guys enough.

krakerbill
04-16-2012, 1:29 PM
since we're talkin bout paint, is it better to strip the piece down to bear metal or scuff th existing paint. and why? im talking about a piece that's only gonna b painted for the sake of changing color no damage, factory paint.

JohnnyBones
04-16-2012, 1:52 PM
I always scuff. Paint is porous and likes to adhere to other paint. I've gone over bare metal before and had sucess but if you have any kind of chemical shit or oil hanging around on the metal, you can get all kinds of jacked up paint belmishes. Just my .02.

blackout
04-16-2012, 4:31 PM
since we're talkin bout paint, is it better to strip the piece down to bear metal or scuff th existing paint. and why? im talking about a piece that's only gonna b painted for the sake of changing color no damage, factory paint.

you can if thats what you chose todo. i probably wouldn't just due to the amount of time it takes and the chemicals you would have to use tend to stay around unless you know how to clean them off and that can fuck up a fresh paint job unless the paint had cracks those can be a pain to smoth out.. i would wet sand it with 600 then lightly prime it then wet sand again with 800 then paint your base coat let it tack and clear.

junkyardjon
04-16-2012, 4:43 PM
since we're talkin bout paint, is it better to strip the piece down to bear metal or scuff th existing paint. and why? im talking about a piece that's only gonna b painted for the sake of changing color no damage, factory paint.

sand with 600 and spray the base coat, then clear. factory paint is the best to work off of.

calicruiser
04-16-2012, 7:37 PM
if it is a "good" exisiting paint job I would just scuff and go from there. I also paint a lot of tanks from bare metal simply because they are new tank. Just make sure the metal is wiped down and you are good to go.

josh

NGH450
04-17-2012, 9:19 AM
Dupli color acrylic enamal seems to be pretty good stuff. i used some acrylic laquer on my battery box and then got some carb cleaner on it and the paint wiped right of so i had to repaint it.

one rule to remember... (and its usually on the cans...) you can paint acrylic enamal over acrylic laquer but not the other way around. the laquer will "bubble" the enamal paint. i guess its somethign about the fast drying agent in the laquer that messes with the slower drying enaml paint.